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MichaEL the Creator of Nebadon has recently come to visit Urantia and claim custody of her. He announces that the Period of Tyranny, known as the 42 months and 42 months, is now final and over. Anyone who seeks to continue the Devastation will lose his gifts upon sitting in an officeseat of publick-officialdom. A man can no longer use the status of his role in order to convince others.

This is the Ordination of the Official and Full Reign of MichaEL within the potentiality of the Supreme Being in Nebadon. The Way, the Truth, and the Light are now available and accessible within the CurrencyStream known as the Spirit of Truth. Cling onto this vine and you will be sustained in the means of fertility abundance and peace. You are the newly ordained ministers sent from the Bosom of the Holy Creator, who reigns with the Universal Father abroad in His Universes.

When the generation no longer says,
"Save us, oh Merciful Master",
But but please,
"Teach us to love, oh Creator",
There will be abundantly evidence the works of His Children on Urantia.

You may even now feel the Presence of the Master illuminating your morontia forms!
Take heed and be not lost to the promises you witness from a corrupted generation!
Know your Creator not only in Word but in Spirit!
Take upon you the Mantle of Paradise, from the First Source and Center within ye,
and allow this Holy Fortress to extend toward your Daughter,
Through the everlasting reach of the Infinite.

Praise be upon the holy one!
Praise be upon your Child, of Father!
Praise be to the man who simply acts, and does not question the wisdom of Divine Guidance.
Praise be upon the Generation of Life, who has sincerely chosen to work towards the will of God.

Hearken now, and hear this message!
The Holy one, the Father of Israel,
has returned to Claim this Sphere on behalf of His Father's Light!
This cannot be returned nor forfeit!
Witness the horror of the final destruction of man's own devices,
but hearken that the pure in heart shall have remained unto the final generation,
Where an era of Light will be evident in every field.

Hear me, Oh Homo Adamus!

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MichaEL the Creator of Nebadon has recently come to visit Urantia and claim custody of her. He announces that the Period of Tyranny, known as the 42 months and 42 months, is now final and over. Anyone who seeks to continue the Devastation will lose his gifts upon sitting in an officeseat of publick-officialdom. A man can no longer use the status of his role in order to convince others.

This is the Ordination of the Official and Full Reign of MichaEL within the potentiality of the Supreme Being in Nebadon. The Way, the Truth, and the Light are now available and accessible within the CurrencyStream known as the Spirit of Truth. Cling onto this vine and you will be sustained in the means of fertility abundance and peace. You are the newly ordained ministers sent from the Bosom of the Holy Creator, who reigns with the Universal Father abroad in His Universes.


1. What does "recently" mean to you?
2. How did he announce this? When?
3. What do you mean by "Period of Tyranny"?
4. What do you mean by "Anyone who seeks to continue the Devastation will lose his gifts upon sitting in an officeseat of publick-officialdom."
5. What do you mean by "A man can no longer use the status of his role in order to convince others."
6. Why do you capitalize "Ordination of the Official and Full Reign of MichaEL" and why do you capitalize the last "E" in Michael when the Urantia Book doesn't?

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SEla_Kelly you make absolutely no sense what so ever. Read the Urantia Book and realize this,
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101:1.4 Religion lives and prospers, then, not by sight and feeling, but rather by faith and insight. It consists not in the discovery of new facts or in the finding of a unique experience, but rather in the discovery of new and spiritual meanings in facts already well known to mankind.
Our maturity reveals our ability to explain meanings not announce new facts. You have given here what I can only surmise are new facts given to you and for us. But you offer no meaning of any of this so it makes no sense. Something is amiss here. You are being deceived by your own subconscious. Please stop. Nobody benefits from this stuff, most especially you.

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Thank you Jim!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll: =; 8)

None are victims by the choices of any other...or not beyond material repurcussions anyway. Each lies in the hand of our creator parent and is loved and most desired. Time is a gift to us along with free will to learn to choose reality and love. There is plenty of time and mercy for that ministry of truth discernment. Fear Not!!

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Thanks Brad.

You know, there is a desire in each of us to know what is going to happen in our future. This desire can become so needy that we allow ourselves to overstep our own processes of reality verification and project our dreams into the future as reality. Real growth is obtained when we own up to that tendency and disallow it. Tadpoles must be tadpoles until growth makes us frogs. Hope and desire must be reckoned with and kept in line.

The world needs to see those who practice the process of growth not those who act as prophets.


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Fear is but a misunderstanding between the present and the past.
Can the OP not be placed in time based on our Father's time line and His most recent adventure, as known to be about two days ago, times 1000 years?

Is the OP in reference to today or yesterday, about 2000 years ago?

To convict something through misunderstanding or misreading intention, should be feared, with lacking mercy.


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Indeed Jim....and therefore, we are presented epochal revelation to eliminate error and reduce confusion to bring more confidence of destiny to our confusions and uncertainties in the vicissitudes and edges of conflict upon the pilgrim's path in time! And we are given God within and the voice of truth and personal revelation for those with the ears to hear and the will to respond by the choices made in time and space.

We do not know what happens next...but we do know what happens ultimately....if we but face the momentary choices and uncertainties with sublime confidence in God and his purpose, power, and plan for creation.

It is our ability to respond to what happens and the intersections of life, especially those unexpected and unplanned, which always present themselves FOR our response. Why do we respond the way we do? What motivates or inspires our responses? Fear or faith?

Those who waste their own and others' time in predictions and updates of "news" in the cosmos are self delusional, self important, and misguided in their efforts to escape THE reality of their own response-ability to the daily walk and purposeful cooperation with the Spirit within. What matter if all things earthly crash about our ears?? Really- what matter to us??!! Fear not!

And I would say fear is the misunderstanding of present and future....not past. Who fears the past? It's over and gone. Fear is anxiety about what may come and how it might affect us, what we might lose and how we might suffer. Fear demonstrates a lack of knowledge of ultimacy and a lack of faith in those who care for us. It is not what happens but how we respond to what happens that is in our own hands of free will and time. Fear is no assistance in such certain uncertainty.

I am certain as to whose custody the Shrine of Nebadon and all other worlds is in and has always been and will forever be. There is no custody dispute and no uncertainty who rules in the kingdoms of men or on Paradise or any worlds in between. Good grief! Shall we tremble? Shall we petition? Stand tall like the children of God we are and give thanks for this glorious and eternal adventure. Where is the prophecy of the certainty of love and this wonderful gift of life? Get ye behind us fearmongers and priests!

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1. What does "recently" mean to you?
Recently means the day of the posting, as in the hour before this posting-topic were prepared. But then, in a metaphorical sense, it applies to a moment linkable/associable to/with "modern times", "The Hereafter", "the eternal Now".

2. How did he announce this? When?
The Presence of Peace prevails before the Master, in every way all units of currency shall be converted into a sustainable frequency on Urantia.

3. What do you mean by "Period of Tyranny"?
The Period of Tyranny is the ending of the terms set forth in the Bible. There is no more power given to the beast to deceive "the wavering millions", and thus we shall see stark division within the socioeconomical stance of the war/plight against "the poor whom shall inherit the earth", namely farmers/estatesmen.

4. What do you mean by "Anyone who seeks to continue the Devastation will lose his gifts upon sitting in an officeseat of publick-officialdom."
It means, as it were, that within the beaurocracy of mankind there have been certain associate-roles, that were not only appointed by man, but also commissioned through the Seraphic Planetary Government. Anyone whom is seeking to rue in his own name, bound by greed or otherwise led, will not receive assistence whatsoever from the true beaurocracy of Satania/Urantia.

5. What do you mean by "A man can no longer use the status of his role in order to convince others."
See #4. The Roles of Officials of Certain Nations bestowed a mark of leadership brought forth out of the Angels of Nations and other groups of angels, sometimes. But now, given the widespread corruption of elected-officials upon seating in office, angels are only supportive of true-leadership and fatherly-motherly action.

6. Why do you capitalize "Ordination of the Official and Full Reign of MichaEL" and why do you capitalize the last "E" in Michael when the Urantia Book doesn't?
EL - ELOHIM
EL - THE
EL - ONE OF MANY

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Sela,

You are posting channeled material as if it were fact. Channeled material can sound positive, uplifting, meaningful... but it's the product of the human subconscious and is not based in fact. We don't permit channeled material on this discussion board -- there are other places where one can find all of that they may want. We focus on the teachings of The Urantia Book which does not condone channeling so please, no more.

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Sela,

You are posting channeled material as if it were fact. Channeled material can sound positive, uplifting, meaningful... but it's the product of the human subconscious and is not based in fact. We don't permit channeled material on this discussion board -- there are other places where one can find all of that they may want. We focus on the teachings of The Urantia Book which does not condone channeling so please, no more.

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A question Larry?
If this discussion board, should reflect the treachings of the Urantia Book, then by that definition, how would you or those, who preach the fact of the Thought-Adjuster, who lives within as spirit, and if or when one has joined with their Thought-Adjuster, in order to understand that which, as you say, is the teaching of the Urantia Book, could not also be considered, as that which shall not be spoken of?
If the Urantia Book does not condone "channelling", then it also cannot condone, being in contact with TA spirit from within? Either way, a hypocritical understanding of what some call teaching from within, or from within the Book.
One cannot profess that the Urantia Book was inspired by "celestials", and at the same time, not consider that the UB could be considered a UFO revelation or religion.
Also, please be forthcoming as to your your credentials to assess that which, as you profess, comes from the subconsious, if it is not coming from your own subconscious mine, where in recent postings it is only you who brings up the word "channelling"?
Are you the master at arms, who follows orders from those who have not mastered the UB? If so, can you explain?
I do not understand your mandate, after reading some of your posts, participating in many discusions?


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The UB teaches only TWO forms of revelation: epochal, delivered by non-mortals to ALL mortals; and auto/personal revelation which is PERSONAL and not for ANY other - which would be considered second hand revelation - from mortal to mortal - or "channeling" - which, by UB definition, is a false presumption of personal puffery and self importance and lacks value, meaning, or relevance to the "audience" chosen by the self proclaimed "messenger". Need the quotes?

This is not difficult or confusing to any student of the UB. The Papers are also quite clear and redundantly so about the mind's inherent potential for self deception and delusion and also the true and singular source of "communication" to and in mind for and of personal revelation and truth confirmation. There is only one messenger in self/auto revelation. Need the quotes?

Nothing hypocritical about it. And yes, Larry serves here to keep the topics and posts within the wide boundries of UB focused discussion and presentation. And those of us who have been here long enough have been the recipient of his generous admonishments and soothing peace keeping.

I look forward to Larry's response and do not presume to speak for him or provide any defense when none is needed.

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Agreed. I will also refrain from indulging in the temptation to offer a defense for Larry. But I do find it proper to offer another voice of concurrence that the difference between channeling and TA communion is as plain as night and day.

The former deals with the lower levels of mind, the so-called subconscious. Beware of any material gleaned from this domain, no matter how much of an emotional imprint it leaves on the psyche.

The latter deals with spiritized mind, the realms of thinking beyond the 7th adjutant where we are actually building our soul and potentially tapping into morontia mind. Everything about TA communion is deliberate. They are so skilled they do not even require us to be conscious of their acting, but this is superconscious activity, not subconscious.

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My query of Larry, is only as to his summation that a contributor to this forum is participating in "channeling" or stating an opinion, worded in such a way as to be insightful, or prophetic. Where, if the contribution is prophetic, than it cannot be justified without the passing of time.
However, if one were "channeling" a message, "from mortal to mortal", they would not be in "(2) the practice of professedly entering a meditative or trancelike state in order to convey messages from a spiritual guide." Where the "channeling" implied as to the unconfirmed authorship of the Urantia Book, was not established as the function of a persons Thought Adjuster, which has not been established in the UB as a dominance of the personality until "spiritual fusion", which may take on the form of performing "God's will", therefore if the later was a fact, and true, who would contradict "God's will" but, as is with the Biblical Prophets, shunned by those, who are of a different opinion.

As mentioned in my previous post, my question is with Larry's assertion that the contributors presentation was by "channeling", where as I quote: "You are posting channeled material as if it were fact." Thereby, my query is with his implication as to his knowledge and or certification by which he makes this statement? If he (Larry), is merely assessing his opinion, based on the content or grammatically construct of the contributor's presentation then it should have been preceded by questions as to its origination, if not publicly or via PM message.

Also, the so called "teachings" of the UB, would or could be interpreted as there being a "channel" by which "epochal, delivered by non-mortals to ALL mortals" is possible, however, this would be by presumption that the Urantia Book, is a Holy document, with only one function.
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(88.4) 7:6.6 The Father, Son, and Spirit also unite to personalize the versatile Trinity Teacher Sons, who range the grand universe as the supernal teachers of all personalities, human and divine. And there are numerous other orders of Paradise sonship that have not been brought to the attention of Urantia mortals.

(88.5) 7:6.7 Between the Original Mother Son and these hosts of Paradise Sons scattered throughout all creation, there is a direct and exclusive channel of communication, a channel whose function is inherent in the quality of spiritual kinship which unites them in bonds of near-absolute spiritual association. This intersonship circuit is entirely different from the universal circuit of spirit gravity, which also centers in the person of the Second Source and Center. All Sons of God who take origin in the persons of the Paradise Deities are in direct and constant communication with the Eternal Mother Son. And such communication is instantaneous; it is independent of time though sometimes conditioned by space.

Therefore, if the UB teaches that we are all son's of the Father, then it is possible that another's insight may be the "will of the Father", but to say that whatever anyone has to say about any subject, should be considered, but not necessarily accepted as fact nor neurosis.

If one disagrees with a presentation, it should be questioned, or ignored as misguided opinion. But to make an accusation of fact without question or credential as to the knowledge of the subconscious other than what is presented in the UB, is somewhat practicing without a Medical license.

It is well known that the issue of the word "channeling" goes back to the litigation over the copy-write of the Urantia Book, where reading the summary of the transcripts makes it obvious that there are issues with any presentation of the Urantia Book having been "channeled", where Book four was not, but still that factor should be respected on this Forum, for those specific reasons. However, to make an implication that someone is "channeling" information, by any person who is associated with as "admin" of a group, would constitute a tool for control of information which might go against personal opinion and not that of the group, especially if any group solicits found[s] for its support, notwithstanding this group.

Nevertheless, I do not admonish Larry, only question the reasoning by which the authority is being used, based on this specific subject where it would seem that governance has been submitted into this subject, where other subjects have received a variance based on rebuttal.


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Actually it is "well known" that channeling predates the UB itself....by a long time. I suppose the more common term is "mediumship". I've had my UB for 40 years but attended several channeling sessions prior to that unrelated in any way to the UB. I've had multiple "readings" and been told my "spirit name" on a couple of occasions (I guess I'm special enough to have two of them since the mediums/channelers did not agree on MY name). Oracling, divining spirits, speaking to the dead or disembodied spirits, contacting Seth, reading past lives, etc. is nothing new.

It's presence in the UB movement is not surprising either. Many who find and read the UB are already deeply involved in so called New Age practices (a misnomer as not one of them is new but, are rather, all regurgitations of ancient primitivisms). We also attract UFOers, alien abductors, crop circle "readers", spirit "guides", the crystals and pyramid hatters, pet heaveners, and all manner of free thinking truth seekers. It's quite interesting indeed!! Unfortunately for many, the UB eventually requires the laying aside of many such preconceptions as misconception for those who are courageous enough to lay aside prejudice sufficiently for transcendent reality alignment.

As to the "channel" of transcription (as opposed to a channeled message), I would suggest a review of self acting Adjusters and the Reservists. We are told that such humans are unaware of this relationship/ability somehow as well but are able to willingly perform certain tasks, roles, or functions on behalf of our unseen friends....so the subject involved was not so unusual in his/her facilitating role. The book says, clearly, that the subject in question was indifferent to the process and the result and that this ability was fortuitous for the revelators. I cannot say for sure, but it appears to me that the material mind was not engaged in the revelation's delivery but the communication with the contact commission and the resulting transcription required, somehow, a TA "attached" to a mortal mind - this would be pure speculation on my part. But nonetheless, a great distinction between this person and any self proclaimed medium or channeler of second hand "revelation".

I do think it possible that some who experience personal revelations become so agitated and excited that they then decide such an experience is intended to be shared and has significance beyond their own experience. Trouble is, the material mind is a device, inherently so, of distortionism. For example, I would offer John's personal experience and revelation which he wrote down and became the biblical book of Revelations. Not only did he distort it and his experience of it, as he had zero context or reference for understanding OR describing it, but others further edited and distorted it to their own purposes. This actual personal revelation has done so much harm to Christianity by promoting fear, Armageddon, hell fire and damnation, the anti-Christ, etc., etc. etc. and NONE of that was a part of this vision/revelation in actual fact or experience - it was total material minded distortion. This is the risk...and the reason....that there is no such thing as second hand revelation from mortal mind to mortal mind....the mortal mind is completely incapable of fully and factually recreating what it can experience of that for which it has no experience or context or vocabulary....or writing skills!!

As to a "holy document" or sacred text - these are mortal terms. Epochal revelation, including the UB, are factual presentations of universe reality. We ascribe holy and sacred to such things. Creation is holy and sacred or as much so as any spoken or written word...it is from the same source and center. The material and secular are real too but our attachments to them at the expense of spirit alignment hides the greater reality in which they exist and mask the temporal nature of the material compared to the eternal and the divine. It is that which the pilot within would lead us toward and assist us in the transference of the seat of our personal "identity" from the material to the spirit. So is truth, beauty, goodness, and universe reality sacred or holy? Or a text book which describes them holy? I don't think so, no. But that's just me.

But I do better appreciate the nature of your questions Cal. Sorry if I was abrupt or too quick to claim understanding.

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It's fine to question, Caligastia. I'm not the holder any specific special knowledge... I'm a long-time student of the book and I've met and overcome doubts about its authenticity and origin. I'm presenting my own opinion based on what I believe to be true.

Your first question, about your Thought Adjuster, has been linked to channeling by channelers who want to give added emphasis to their proclamations... that they have a direct line to God, since that's what the Thought Adjuster is, and therefore their words are meaningful and factual. Nowhere that I'm aware of in the teachings of TUB is there an indication that the conscious mind is aware of the Thought Adjuster's presence. Jesus didn't seem to be aware in any specific way -- he didn't talk to or converse with his Adjuster. The Adjuster was the conduit through which his spiritual life flowed as it is for us as well.

You've mentioned "being joined with the Thought Adjuster." We're mortals. We don't join with the Thought Adjuster since it's God and we're human; joining happens at fusion. We reap the benefits of the Adjuster's ministry if we pay attention to its leadings... it's a one-way street in that regard. We're ministered to in several other spiritual ways but spirit is far removed from our material selves in this first life.

There's no correlation between the Thought Adjuster and the other forms of spirit ministry and channeling. One's real, the other is a figment of human imagination and wishful thinking. Those figments and wishful thoughts can be of great benefit to the one in which they originate but they'd be unreal and misleading to someone else.

Regarding credentials... I'm no authority; you're free to accept or reject my comments. Nearly 50 years ago, before I found TUB, I had extensive mental training where I learned about the different levels of mind and brain activity, learned meditation techniques, learned to channel, learned to gather information at a distance, learned remote viewing. These were all interesting at the time; after accepting the teachings of TUB that all became just more grist for the mill; what I relate comes not only from trying to present persuasive ideas but from experience as well. But my experience is valuable really only to me and not necessarily to anyone else. Since I'm a moderator on this board I feel justified in disagreeing with concepts that I believe run counter to my understanding of UB teachings or my own experience.

The comments that I objected to above came across in the manner channeled material does. If we were more lax here we'd have any number of self-professed prophets, seers and channelers. It's been our policy that if someone prophesizes they either have to retract their pronouncements publically or else they'll have to agree to make a public statement apologizing for their misguidance once the time for the prophecy has come and gone. Prophets are almost always channelers.

No, I don't follow anyone's orders. If my posts are off base I'm corrected by one of the other moderators or by other members of the discussion board.

You mentioned conveying messages from spirit guides. That's a New Age concept; it's not supported by the teachings of TUB. We have guardian angels -- they're not spirit guides and they seldom talk to any one of us. Hypothetical spirit guides are associated with channeling and other psychic activities.

The Urantia Book is not a holy object any more than the Bible is. They're both examples of inspired thoughts providing meaningful and trustworthy guidance for our spiritual development. They provide the knowledge that we can choose to act upon in our daily lives to enhance personal spiritual growth.

And yes, TUB uses the word channel but it has no correlation with New Age thought regarding psychic activities of the mind.

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[. . .] There is only one messenger in self/auto revelation. Need the quotes? [. . .]

Brad, are you referring to the following quotes, where the only reference to "auto revelation" is "autorevelation" as found below:
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(1109.4) 101:4.3 Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.

(1109.5) 101:4.4 In the last analysis, religion is to be judged by its fruits, according to the manner and the extent to which it exhibits its own inherent and divine excellence.

(1109.6) 101:4.5 Truth may be but relatively inspired, even though revelation is invariably a spiritual phenomenon. While statements with reference to cosmology are never inspired, such revelations are of immense value in that they at least transiently clarify knowledge by:

(1109.7) 101:4.6 1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.
(1109.8) 101:4.7 2. The co-ordination of known or about-to-be-known facts and observations.
(1110.1) 101:4.8 3. The restoration of important bits of lost knowledge concerning epochal transactions in the distant past.
(1110.2) 101:4.9 4. The supplying of information which will fill in vital missing gaps in otherwise earned knowledge.
(1110.3) 101:4.10 5. Presenting cosmic data in such a manner as to illuminate the spiritual teachings contained in the accompanying revelation.


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