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Please, how do you understand the following statement? Has it been validated by today's science?
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76:4.7 [...] The body cells of the native races are akin to the living disease-producing microscopic and ultramicroscopic organisms of the realm. These facts explain why the Urantia peoples must do so much by way of scientific effort to withstand so many physical disorders. You would be far more disease resistant if your races carried more of the Adamic life.

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Hi Angel,

I think that means that non-Adamic derived and non-Nodite derived human biology shares most or nearly all biologic characteristics or processes with other life on this planet.

For example, most of the Earth's humans have an Rh+ blood factor. That factor in our blood expects a certain chemical compound to be present on the walls of the red blood cells that come into contact with our blood. In other words the blood cells of all Earthly life that is akin to us is expected to contain that chemical. If the chemical compound is not discovered by our immune system, the immune system believes the material having that imprint is a foreign invader (such as bacteria or a virus). The immune system then mounts an attack to destroy the intruder.

The Rh+ blood factor seems to be common to all animals on Earth. Or rather the lack of it, Rh-, is not really found in animals. So one possibility is that blood having an Rh- factor doesn't arise from terrestrial evolution but was introduced by either the Nodites or Adamites. I believe it is a mystery to current scientists why people with Rh- blood are not severely handicapped in fighting infections in comparison to Rh+ blood which has the extra protecting process for detecting infectious agents.


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Hi Ángel,

I also think 76:4.7 states that Human body cells evolved from the same ancient single cell organisms as do todays disease-producing microbes. So, humans and microbes are akin. It may then be relatively easy for modern microbes to invade the human body (usually to proliferate) and cause some disease in the process (often an immune response of the human body). If we had more of the Adamic genetic makeup, then our cells would be different and might be unsuitable to be used as proliferation devices by Earth microbes..

There’s no way to validate this experimentally because we don’t know the Adamic genome. Our human cells only contain a small amount of Adam’s DNA which apparently is not enough to resist many Earthly diseases. Actually, it seems that humans are as prone to disease as animals without any Adamic DNA..

Nevertheless, as Riktare pointed out, specific proteins (and related DNA/RNA sequences) that are only found in humans may indicate our partially 'alien' ancestry..


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Angel Francisco wrote:
Please, how do you understand the following statement? Has it been validated by today's science?
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76:4.7 [...] The body cells of the native races are akin to the living disease-producing microscopic and ultramicroscopic organisms of the realm. These facts explain why the Urantia peoples must do so much by way of scientific effort to withstand so many physical disorders. You would be far more disease resistant if your races carried more of the Adamic life.

Angel Francisco, your selection of this specific section of UB (76:4.7) is somewhat self explained in that “microscopic and ultramicroscopic organisms” where there is a difference, obviously, but in this case might indicate differences between bacteria and viruses, but it also would indicate the way in which these “organisms” are viewed, where “microscopic” (Bright-field microscopy) would differ from “ultramicroscopic” (Dark field microscopy (dark ground microscopy)), where the former may be used but would require dyes, which may alter a sample, and the latter, which is used to examine live sample and/or Nanomaterials.

The other notation of your selected UB narration above, specifically indicates that the “body cells of the native races are akin to the living disease-producing [. . .] organisms” where this would indicate that these “disease-producing” “organisms” are or come from the various cells which make up “body cells” or, as has been found as an example, that about 85% of all cancers are viruses which already exist within the host body but are awoken by various other factors or combination of factors like “recessive genes”.

However, the last sentence presented in your selection states, “You would be far more disease resistant if your races carried more of the Adamic life.” But, your general question indicates as to what “the Adamic life” would be, and in the way it is presented, it might be presumed as a thing or object like “plasm”, where “Adamic life plasm” is found three times in the UB, (52:3.6, 65:5.2 and 76:4.8, which follows this UB paragraph) but, not in this UB narration.
When one looks at (52:3.6):
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(593.5) 52:3.6 The result of the gift of the Adamic life plasm to the mortal races is an immediate upstepping of intellectual capacity and an acceleration of spiritual progress. There is usually some physical improvement also. On an average world the post-Adamic dispensation is an age of great invention, energy control, and mechanical development. This is the era of the appearance of multiform manufacture and the control of natural forces; it is the golden age of exploration and the final subduing of the planet. Much of the material progress of a world occurs during this time of the inauguration of the development of the physical sciences, just such an epoch as Urantia is now experiencing. Your world is a full dispensation and more behind the average planetary schedule.

Where it indicates that “the result of the” “Adamic life plasm” “is an immediate upstepping of intellectual capacity” and “spiritual progress”, and it does indicate “some physical improvement” where I believe your question is mostly directed. But it would seem that it is the “intellectual” and “spiritual” “capacity” which would allow use to overcome, “by way of scientific effort to withstand so many physical disorders.”
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I think that means that non-Adamic derived and non-Nodite derived human biology shares most or nearly all biologic characteristics or processes with other life on this planet.

For example, most of the Earth's humans have an Rh+ blood factor. That factor in our blood expects a certain chemical compound to be present on the walls of the red blood cells that come into contact with our blood. In other words the blood cells of all Earthly life that is akin to us is expected to contain that chemical. If the chemical compound is not discovered by our immune system, the immune system believes the material having that imprint is a foreign invader (such as bacteria or a virus). The immune system then mounts an attack to destroy the intruder.

The Rh+ blood factor seems to be common to all animals on Earth. Or rather the lack of it, Rh-, is not really found in animals. So one possibility is that blood having an Rh- factor doesn't arise from terrestrial evolution but was introduced by either the Nodites or Adamites. I believe it is a mystery to current scientists why people with Rh- blood are not severely handicapped in fighting infections in comparison to Rh+ blood which has the extra protecting process for detecting infectious agents.

Riktare – I understand your posting and I believe that there is some credence to your presentation above but may not drill down enough as to the intruders to “the immune system”, where the “RF factor” primarily notates the expansion of the “ABO blood group system” with “Rh blood group system” where the “commonly used terms Rh factor, Rh positive and Rh negative refer to the D antigen only” and identifies the “ABO” blood types as either “positive” or “negative.” Where by expanding the four types “A”, “B”, “AB” and “O”, to eight types or groupings which I believe is somewhat associated in the Urantia Book, with another or additional interpretation by which “races” are used.
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The Rh blood group system (including the Rh factor) is one of thirty-three current human blood group systems. It is the most important blood group system after ABO. At present, the Rh blood group system consists of 50 defined blood-group antigens, among which the five antigens D, C, c, E, and e are the most important. The commonly used terms Rh factor, Rh positive and Rh negative refer to the D antigen only. Besides its role in blood transfusion, the Rh blood group system—specifically, the D antigen—is used to determine the risk of hemolytic disease of the newborn (or erythroblastosis fetalis) as prevention is the best approach to the management of this condition. As part of prenatal care, a blood test may be used to find out the blood type of a fetus. If the Rh antigen is lacking, the blood is called Rh-negative. If the antigen is present, it is called Rh-positive. [. . .]

But primarily the UB narration which follows the quote “Angel” selected, (76:4.8) which might follow along the lines of the “physical improvement” by way of strengthening the “immune system”.
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(851.6) 76:4.8 After becoming established in the second garden on the Euphrates, Adam elected to leave behind as much of his life plasm as possible to benefit the world after his death. Accordingly, Eve was made the head of a commission of twelve on race improvement, and before Adam died this commission had selected 1,682 of the highest type of women on Urantia, and these women were impregnated with the Adamic life plasm. Their children all grew up to maturity except 112, so that the world, in this way, was benefited by the addition of 1,570 superior men and women. Though these candidate mothers were selected from all the surrounding tribes and represented most of the races on earth, the majority were chosen from the highest strains of the Nodites, and they constituted the early beginnings of the mighty Andite race. These children were born and reared in the tribal surroundings of their respective mothers.

Where it could be considered that the “mighty Andite race” would have received some of the “physical improvement” intended whereby, we “would be far more disease resistant if your races carried more of the Adamic life”, or if Adam and Eve, had not defaulted, but the “Andite race” was a factor and would be considered as the tenth human race, which just might have something to do with Urantia being a decimal planet?
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(871.7) 78:4.1 The Andite races were the primary blends of the pure-line violet race and the Nodites plus the evolutionary peoples. In general, Andites should be thought of as having a far greater percentage of Adamic blood than the modern races. In the main, the term Andite is used to designate those peoples whose racial inheritance was from one-eighth to one-sixth violet. Modern Urantians, even the northern white races, contain much less than this percentage of the blood of Adam.

(871.8) 78:4.2 The earliest Andite peoples took origin in the regions adjacent to Mesopotamia more than twenty-five thousand years ago and consisted of a blend of the Adamites and Nodites. The second garden was surrounded by concentric circles of diminishing violet blood, and it was on the periphery of this racial melting pot that the Andite race was born. Later on, when the migrating Adamites and Nodites entered the then fertile regions of Turkestan, they soon blended with the superior inhabitants, and the resultant race mixture extended the Andite type northward.

(872.1) 78:4.3 The Andites were the best all-round human stock to appear on Urantia since the days of the pure-line violet peoples. They embraced most of the highest types of the surviving remnants of the Adamite and Nodite races and, later, some of the best strains of the yellow, blue, and green men.

I indicated earlier that the various races indicated in the UB might or could be interpreted in some way as being associated to the human blood type groupings, where in the following UB narration there seems to be inconsistency when the use of “race” is being used:
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(722.6) 64:6.1 On an average evolutionary planet the six evolutionary races of color appear one by one; the red man is the first to evolve, and for ages he roams the world before the succeeding colored races make their appearance. The simultaneous emergence of all six races on Urantia, and in one family, was most unusual.

“64:6.3” [. . .]were the first of the Sangik children [. . .] They were always monogamous; even their mixed descendants seldom practiced plural mating.

Where if one would consider modern understanding of genetics, it would be impossible, for one family (although possible, assuming that what was presented in “64:6.3” above was not a factor,) with the same two individual parents, to produce “six races” all within “one family”? However, if one could assume that what might be being presented here is that the “one family” could have produced six blood groups, where even though there are eight groups, with the more recent finding of the “AB(-/+)” where “A(-/+)”, “B(-/+) and “O(-/+)”, being the primary six. But, if one looks at the three primary colored races as Red race, Yellow race, and Blue race, as the positive factor in blood types (O+, A+, B+), then the secondary colored races as Orange race, Green race and Indigo race, might be associated with the negative factor in the blood types (O-, A-, B-). However, if we also take what the UB indicates as to the Green race and the Blue race, having either disappeared or merged into groups, there may have been different blood group which replaced one of the three “ABO” groups, or this may indicate the merger of the A and B group to create the AB grouping or, this additional blood group may have been from “the simian ancestry” which had been inherited by the first human race.
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(700.2) 61:6.1 The great event of this glacial period was the evolution of primitive man. Slightly to the west of India, on land now under water and among the offspring of Asiatic migrants of the older North American lemur types, the dawn mammals suddenly appeared. These small animals walked mostly on their hind legs, and they possessed large brains in proportion to their size and in comparison with the brains of other animals. In the seventieth generation of this order of life a new and higher group of animals suddenly differentiated. These new mid-mammals — almost twice the size and height of their ancestors and possessing proportionately increased brain power — had only well established themselves when the Primates, the third vital mutation, suddenly appeared. (At this same time, a retrograde development within the mid-mammal stock gave origin to the simian ancestry; and from that day to this the human branch has gone forward by progressive evolution, while the simian tribes have remained stationary or have actually retrogressed.)

Where it is noted in “Blood type (non-human)” that “Simian blood groups” – “Two categories of blood groups, human-type and simian-type, have been found in apes and monkeys and can be tested by methods established for grouping human blood.”
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(700.3) 61:6.2 1,000,000 years ago Urantia was registered as an inhabited world. A mutation within the stock of the progressing Primates suddenly produced two primitive human beings, the actual ancestors of mankind.

(718.2) 64:0.2 The human race is almost one million years old, and the first half of its story roughly corresponds to the pre-Planetary Prince days of Urantia. The latter half of the history of mankind begins at the time of the arrival of the Planetary Prince and the appearance of the six colored races and roughly corresponds to the period commonly regarded as the Old Stone Age.

Or, there may have been some interaction when the Planetary Prince, arrived, which may have resulted in some other transformation in the races or blood types?

But, getting back to “immune system” where it is more likely that the addition of “Adamic life plasm” would be an alteration of some or changing of “antigens”. Where the following would be prevalent:
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In immunology, an antigen (Ag), abbreviation of antibody generator, is any structural substance which serves as a target for the receptors of an adaptive immune response, TCR or BCR or its secreted form antibody, respectively. Each antibody is specifically selected after binding to a certain antigen because of random somatic diversification in the antibody complementarity determining regions (a common analogy used to describe this is the fit between a lock and a key). Paul Ehrlich coined the term antibody (in German Antikörper) in his side-chain theory at the end of 19th century. In summary, an antigen is a molecule that binds to Ag-specific receptors but cannot induce an immune response in the body by itself. Antigen was originally a structural molecule that binds specifically to the antibody, but the term now also refers to any molecule or a linear fragment that can be recognized by highly variable antigen receptors (B-cell receptor or T-cell receptor) of the adaptive immune system.

The antigen may originate from within the body ("self") or from the external environment ("non-self"). The immune system is usually non-reactive against "self" antigens under normal homeostatic conditions due to negative selection of T cells in the thymus and is supposed to identify and attack only "non-self" invaders from the outside world or modified/harmful substances present in the body under distressed conditions.[. . .]

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Thank you for such extensive and enriching explanations. I am working on a book on eugenics and the UB;there is nothing written in Spanish.
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