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Dear Fellow-Believers,
despite losing all reproductive capacity, sex-emotion, and not marrying (on the Mansion worlds), is there any indication that we will enjoy opposite-gender associations in ways different from same-gender associations in the after-life?


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Should I remove this question from the forum? Is it inappropriate or unsettling in any way?


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Hey, we technically are not male-female personalities, which is why the urantia book refers to us all as "sons". But we have a self that remains somewhat "male" or "female". This self is certainly not as "male" or "female" as the material sex sons and daughters of mansion worlds though. These material sons and daughters have selfs that express the extreme version of "male" and "female" and if we did not have much sexual relations on this world we will get to spend intimate time with one of these individuals for sexual compensation even though we won't have sexual organs. As we ascend higher I do not believe we will have sexual attractions. This seems to one of those "mark of the beast" type things I believe, not that the "mark of the beat" is bad but this attraction is there to trick us into love IMO. So when we begin our journy on the higher mansion worlds the intimacy seems to be on a mindal level. Our thoughts IMO become our new tool of intimacy. I imagine our communication becomes mind to mind communication, seeing as mind is an energy system.

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535.2) 47:4.6 Though you have morontia bodies, you continue, through all seven of these worlds, to eat, drink, and rest. You partake of the morontia order of food, a kingdom of living energy unknown on the material worlds. Both food and water are fully utilized in the morontia body; there is no residual waste. Pause to consider: Mansonia number one is a very material sphere, presenting the early beginnings of the morontia regime. You are still a near human and not far removed from the limited viewpoints of mortal life, but each world discloses definite progress. From sphere to sphere you grow less material, more intellectual, and slightly more spiritual. The spiritual progress is greatest on the last three of these seven progressive worlds.

(535.3) 47:4.7 Biological deficiencies were largely made up on the first mansion world. There defects in planetary experiences pertaining to sex life, family association, and parental function were either corrected or were projected for future rectification among the Material Son families on Jerusem.


One little interesting side not there is that the revelators mention "water". There is also a section in the book that says they have double the amount periodic elements that we have. I wonder if their version of water is just 4 oxygen and 2 hydrogen haha. I wouldn't be surprised. Obviously there is a morontia version of "water". Its nice to know though that we won't have bodies made up of some ether haha.

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There is far more to the "gender" issue IMO. The animal/mortal male and female forms are for reproductivity of species but also are a reflective reality of co-creative potential. Many beings are paired in service and balance the perspective and the inherent capabilities of action and results thereby. We will serve in finality by pairs and so do the seraphim beyond the third circle of ascendent progress as the morontia mind pairs also with the TA and many other examples are presented. So I think there is an inherency within gender that is far more than sexual or defined by bio equipment.

A very good question....and I hope others will comment or add text to the discussion.


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Boomshuka stated, "if we did not have much sexual relations on this world we will get to spend intimate time with one of these individuals for sexual compensation". Where in the Urantia book is this indicated?


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45.6.3 On the seven mansion worlds ascending mortals are afforded ample opportunities for compensating any and all experiential deprivations suffered on their worlds of origin, whether due to inheritance, environment, or unfortunate premature termination of the career in the flesh. This is in every sense true except in the mortal sex life and its attendant adjustments. Thousands of mortals reach the mansion worlds without having benefited particularly from the disciplines derived from fairly average sex relations on their native spheres. The mansion world experience can provide little opportunity for compensating these very personal deprivations. sex experience in a physical sense is past for these ascenders, but in close association with the Material Sons and Daughters, both individually and as members of their families, these sex-deficient mortals are enabled to compensate the social, intellectual, emotional, and spiritual aspects of their deficiency. Thus are all those humans whom circumstances or bad judgment deprived of the benefits of advantageous sex association on the evolutionary worlds, here on the system capitals afforded full opportunity to acquire these essential mortal experiences in close and loving association with the supernal Adamic sex creatures of permanent residence on the system capitals

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84:6.6 Men and women need each other in their morontial and spiritual as well as in their mortal careers. The differences in viewpoint between male and female persist even beyond the first life and throughout the local and superuniverse ascensions. And even in Havona, the pilgrims who were once men and women will still be aiding each other in the Paradise ascent. Never, even in the Corps of the Finality, will the creature metamorphose so far as to obliterate the personality trends that humans call male and female; always will these two basic variations of humankind continue to intrigue, stimulate, encourage, and assist each other; always will they be mutually dependent on co-operation in the solution of perplexing universe problems and in the overcoming of manifold cosmic difficulties.


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There is far more to the "gender" issue IMO. The animal/mortal male and female forms are for reproductivity of species but also are a reflective reality of co-creative potential. Many beings are paired in service and balance the perspective and the inherent capabilities of action and results thereby. We will serve in finality by pairs and so do the seraphim beyond the third circle of ascendent progress as the morontia mind pairs also with the TA and many other examples are presented. So I think there is an inherency within gender that is far more than sexual or defined by bio equipment.

A very good question....and I hope others will comment or add text to the discussion.


My thoughts on this subject fall along similar lines, foV. IMO sexual reproduction, while a crude, material reflection of higher forms of creativity, nonetheless, follows or is modeled on, the general universal pattern. So even though sex, in the human sense, ceases upon the dissolution of the material body, its creative aspect is retained in the recesses of the soul, and upsteps progressively as the surviving personality journeys inward.

The value of the act of procreation is a survival one, IMO. Human procreation gives us a glimpse into the profundity of the co-Parental and co-ordinate relationship we find in Eternal Isles of Paradise. The following reference subtly hints to intimate "liason" between the genders, vested with a Supermaterial nature, to elicit a certain kind of creation.

66:4.10 In conformity to their instructions the staff did not engage in sexual reproduction, but they did painstakingly study their personal constitutions, and they carefully explored every imaginable phase of intellectual (mind) and morontia (soul) liaison. And it was during the thirty-third year of their sojourn in Dalamatia, long before the wall was completed, that number two and number seven of the Danite group accidentally discovered a phenomenon attendant upon the liaison of their morontia selves (supposedly nonsexual and nonmaterial)

That there is creative prerogative with the mind (intimated by boom) and, more importantly, the morontia, is suggested by the revelator. Notice the revelator cautions us by stating that it is "supposedly" a non-sexual union. Why throw in that caveat? Apparently the revelator is unsure as to what transpires during this period. This position is further explained in the following statement: "What we cannot satisfactorily explain is... a supermaterial (nonsexual) liaison of a male and a female..." (77:1.2).

What occurs when a Supermaterial male and female are in liason? Is there some kind of pleasure involved in this "liason" qualitatively comparable to human sexual pleasure? TUB is silent on this.


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So when we begin our journy on the higher mansion worlds the intimacy seems to be on a mindal level. Our thoughts IMO become our new tool of intimacy. I imagine our communication becomes mind to mind communication, seeing as mind is an energy system.


Vulcan mind melding my friend :biggrin:


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A Lot Of Great Insights , Thanks

Could It Be That The Life Carriers Or Other Being/s
Are Intermediaries In This *Liaison* :?:

Or Some Type Of Spiritual Soul Embrace ?


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A Lot Of Great Insights , Thanks

Could It Be That The Life Carriers Or Other Being/s
Are Intermediaries In This *Liaison* :?:

Or Some Type Of Spiritual Soul Embrace ?


Never thought of that! Very interesting idea.


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