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Hello everyone.
Happy Easter from Indonesia. :smile:

I have read Urantia Book for around 6 months, and it completely changes my viewpoints on God and life.
The science, religion, and philosophy are so in tune.

There is one phrase found on Paper 188.
"The Jews did not really bury their dead; they actually embalmed them."

Charles Arterburn said in his article in SquareCircle that this phrase is the possible genuine error of the midwayer.
He argued that Jews actually bury the dead and not embalming them.

What do you guys think?
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Hello everyone.

I recently came across this puzzling phrase (in bold).

188:1.4 (2013.3) They carried the body into the tomb, a chamber about ten feet square, where they hurriedly prepared it for burial. The Jews did not really bury their dead; they actually embalmed them. Joseph and Nicodemus had brought with them large quantities of myrrh and aloes, and they now wrapped the body with bandages saturated with these solutions. When the embalming was completed, they tied a napkin about the face, wrapped the body in a linen sheet, and reverently placed it on a shelf in the tomb.

Did the midwayer make a mistake about Jewish ritual?
I googled about it, and I found that Jewish custom of burial does not include embalming the dead.

In fact, in the Paper itself, it is inferred that Lazarus did not get embalmed.

What do you guys think?
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The endless quest to find errors in the Papers is a most curious practice. The answer to your query is actually found in the text quote you posted.

Hmmmm.... Okay. So first: please research the actual meaning of bury and embalm and also the historical practices of corpse burial techniques and Jewish beliefs. I believe Jews are buried today rather than entombed but that is likely a cultural and geographical decision.

The Jews did not practice the draining of blood or removal of organs during that period due to traditional taboos (modern Jews have a wider spectrum of traditions which may still include this prohibition of body burial preparation). Like many others they wrapped the body after cleaning and treating - or balming - with herbs, spices, and oils.

The quickness of entombment was important. To embalm back then was not the modern practice of blood replacement by chemical injection with a substance called embalming fluid. Stench, not decay, was a principal issue for burial and entombment practices.

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188:1.4 (2013.3) They carried the body into the tomb, a chamber about ten feet square, where they hurriedly prepared it for burial. The Jews did not really bury their dead; they actually embalmed them. Joseph and Nicodemus had brought with them large quantities of myrrh and aloes, and they now wrapped the body with bandages saturated with these solutions. When the embalming was completed, they tied a napkin about the face, wrapped the body in a linen sheet, and reverently placed it on a shelf in the tomb.

From Britannica:

"Embalming, the treatment of a dead body so as to sterilize it or to protect it from decay. For practical as well as theological reasons a well-preserved body has long been a chief mortuary concern. The ancient Greeks, who demanded endurance of their heroes in death as in life, expected the bodies of their dead to last without artificial aid during the days of mourning that preceded the final rites. Other societies, less demanding of their greats, developed a wide variety of preservatives and methods to stave off decay or minimize its effects. Corpses have been pickled in vinegar, wine, and stronger spirits: the body of the British admiral Lord Nelson was returned from Trafalgar to England in a cask of brandy. Even the Greeks sometimes made concessions: the body of Alexander the Great, for example, was returned from Babylon to Macedonia in a container of honey. The application of spices and perfumed unguents to minimize putrefaction was so common a practice that the English word embalming had as its original meaning “to put on balm.” Generally, however, the word is used to describe a less superficial procedure, the introduction of agents into the body to ensure preservation.

The ancient Babylonians, Sumerians, and Greeks seldom practiced any but the most superficial kind of embalming, anointing the body with unguents, perfumes, and spices. Nor did the Jews employ embalming procedures, with the notable exception of Joseph, who ordered embalming for himself and his father, and further departed from Jewish custom by having his body placed in a coffin. Among the ancients who profoundly influenced Western culture only the Romans employed cavity embalming, not for religious reasons but for the temporary preservation of bodies exhibited for some time before burial. Although there is evidence that some early Christians were embalmed, generally they rejected embalming as well as cremation, considering them pagan customs that mutilated the corpse. Such scruples were sometimes overcome by the desire to have an outstanding person linger on, a desire that was reinforced by the belief that the bodies of some of the devout were kept intact after death as a mark of divine favour. Consequently, some Christians were embalmed, a notable example being Charlemagne, whose embalmed and richly dressed corpse was placed in a sitting position in his tomb at Aachen after his death in 814. The body of the 11th-century Spanish epic hero El Cid, which remained seated on an ivory chair in the monastery of San Pedro de Cardeña for a decade before burial, is also presumed to have been embalmed."

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Perhaps we might consider why different peoples prepared their dead differently?

How were kings, priests, and warriors treated differently than common folk in so many cultures?

Why did Christians oppose embalming and cremation?

Why did the Jewish tradition demand not disturbing the blood and organs?

What's the third day thing for so many cultures?

So many primitive superstitions to consider. Fascinating glimpse at evolutionary progress I think.

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Thank you for the answer.
I think that is logical. This one sentence somewhat bugged me yesterday after reading an article in SquareCircle.

However, the writer of the article (I forgot the name) himself admits that whether the midwayer made a 'mistake' (the so-called time bomb), a human intervention, a typo or we fail to interpret that sentence, it does not matter much. Because we can miss the forest by being focused only on one tree.

Ultimately, what is important is that the Urantia Book sweeping insight about science, religion, and philosophy overall is essential for the speedy evolution of humanity (being an isolated planet and spiritually retarded). Finally, we must thank out superhuman tutor for helping us.


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Well said.

Let me advise you that the Papers are filled with claims about universe realities and the history of our world and about origins and destinies, many of which contradict the beliefs, perspective, understanding, prejudices, and subjective opinions of its readers. Do not be overly disturbed by this fact of mortal inexperience, immaturity, and the subjectivity limitations of mortal mind.

Many have come here and other study groups and reader forums claiming to have discovered errors of fact, science, and history. In my 40+ years of study I have not found a single credible such complaint/claim. The UB tells us the history presented will stand the tests of time. So far, so good...we shall see!! It also tells us the authors are constrained in their scientific presentations by 20th century planetary/mortal knowledge and unearned knowledge is not desirable or allowable by such epochal revelations as presented in the UB. Interestingly, there was a similar directive presented to us Trekkies in 1966 (and many other parallels as well).

From Wiki: "In the fictional universe of Star Trek, the Prime Directive (also known as "Starfleet General Order 1", "General Order 1", and the "non-interference directive") is a guiding principle of Starfleet, prohibiting its members from interfering with the internal and natural development of alien civilizations. The Prime Directive applies particularly to civilizations which are below a certain threshold of technological, scientific and cultural development; preventing starship crews from using their superior technology to impose their own values or ideals on them."

The Quixotic Quest to find error in the UB is a pastime that offers no value to the seeker of truth. No one requests or requires anyone's belief in the Papers. To suspend belief AND disbelief is useful as one reads and measures the contents for meanings and values I think.

You will find much that confirms prior belief, and that which conflicts and contradicts them, and that which inspires and confounds too!!

Those who seek proofs of confirmation and those who seek proofs of error share very similar human weakness. Similar, I think that there are those who only respond to signs and wonders and miracles but soon abandon the rigorous requirements of true spiritual growth and religious experience. Truth seeking is not so easy nor so simple as many would like. Truth discovery requires overcoming ignorance and preference and false beliefs and prejudice. Conflict and confusion accompanies the truth seeker. But, we are taught, faith and trust in the Spirit can overcome all uncertainty and lead us from the limited subjectivity of the tadpole's perspective to the sublime objective awareness of universe realities.

Enjoy your studies!  I look forward to your posts of discovery and discussion here at this site and community.

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The two topics: Mistake on Jews Custom of Burial? and Genuine Error on Paper 188? (Jews not bury the dead)

have been merged, as they are essentially the same topic.

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OK - I have removed the duplicates. Thanks


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