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Frankly you offer nothing here for anyone's understanding Rich.


Still comparing yourself to Jesus. And still not a single post from you related or relevant to any of your prior topics or posts.

You choose irrelevancy. So be it. You may be as irrelevant and irrational as you choose for yourself to be.


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your Adjuster is you.

44:0.19 (498.10) All this is made possible in the experience of ascending mortals by the action of the indwelling Thought Adjusters. Through their retention of the duplicates of your entire life’s experiences, you are assured of never losing any true attribute you once had; and these Adjusters are going through with you, as a part of you, in reality, as you.

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I don't believe you understand what that means Rich.

My mind works fine and serves me well. Thank you.

The quote does not describe the loss of identity or selfhood or personality.

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your Adjuster is you.

44:0.19 (498.10) All this is made possible in the experience of ascending mortals by the action of the indwelling Thought Adjusters. Through their retention of the duplicates of your entire life’s experiences, you are assured of never losing any true attribute you once had; and these Adjusters are going through with you, as a part of you, in reality, as you.


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I don't believe you understand what that means Rich.

My mind works fine and serves me well. Thank you.

The quote does not describe the loss of identity or selfhood or personality.

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I look forward to your understanding of how these concepts are related - exchanging our mind for Michael’s and our TA becoming personalized and experiential upon our future fusion. One is now and the other in the potential future destiny of our spiritization.

The Adjusters are not us prior to fusion. We are the source of personality and selfhood and identity - not the God Fragments.

My Adjuster is not me yet. But will be so upon fusion. The text you post here is about far into our future! So one quote is about being a tadpole and the other about being a post-fusion ascender or finaliter.

44:0.17 (498.8) There are certain types of beings who are capable of discerning the reality of the creatures of both the spirit and the material worlds. Belonging to this class are the so-called fourth creatures of the Havona Servitals and the fourth creatures of the conciliators. The angels of time and space are endowed with the ability to discern both spirit and material beings as also are the ascending mortals subsequent to deliverance from the life in the flesh. After attainment of the higher spirit levels the ascenders are able to recognize material, morontia, and spirit realities.

44:0.18 (498.9) There is also here with me a Mighty Messenger from Uversa, an ascendant Adjuster-fused, onetime mortal being, and he perceives you as you are, and at the same time he visualizes the Solitary Messenger, the supernaphim, and other celestial beings present. Never in your long ascendancy will you lose the power to recognize your associates of former existences. Always, as you ascend inward in the scale of life, will you retain the ability to recognize and fraternize with the fellow beings of your previous and lower levels of experience. Each new translation or resurrection will add one more group of spirit beings to your vision range without in the least depriving you of the ability to recognize your friends and fellows of former estates.

44:0.19 (498.10) All this is made possible in the experience of ascending mortals by the action of the indwelling Thought Adjusters. Through their retention of the duplicates of your entire life’s experiences, you are assured of never losing any true attribute you once had; and these Adjusters are going through with you, as a part of you, in reality, as you.

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Good time to go to the Foreword - "Personality Realities" and start the conversation again....

Personality Gravity Circuit is operating in the Eternal Now. You need a Soul to join in the fun.


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Good time to go to the Foreword - "Personality Realities" and start the conversation again....

Personality Gravity Circuit is operating in the Eternal Now. You need a Soul to join in the fun.


Hmmmm.....

Tadpoles (material mortals) need a soul (morontia mind) as our ticket and bridge to survival, true.

All beings with personality are connected to Deity via the gravity circuits but only mortals have souls and and Adjusters (a few other beings are humanized by an indwelling Adjuster ministry eventually but still no soul or fusion). The soul and dual nature are specifically human I think.

The experiential adventure and evolutionary fun are shared by all the children of time. The experiential levels of reality are cocreative because personality expresses its experience and reality-izes and actualizes potential thusly by the progressive expression of our progressive experience.

The actualization of potential is cocreative for all personality and such actualization creates ever new potential. Experiential wisdom is the cocreative relationship between Deity and personality.

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0:5.3 (8.3) On attained experiential levels all personality orders or values are associable and even cocreational. Even God and man can coexist in a unified personality, as is so exquisitely demonstrated in the present status of Christ Michael—Son of Man and Son of God.

0:5.4 (8.4) All subinfinite orders and phases of personality are associative attainables and are potentially cocreational. The prepersonal, the personal, and the superpersonal are all linked together by mutual potential of co-ordinate attainment, progressive achievement, and cocreational capacity. But never does the impersonal directly transmute to the personal. Personality is never spontaneous; it is the gift of the Paradise Father. Personality is superimposed upon energy, and it is associated only with living energy systems; identity can be associated with nonliving energy patterns.

0:5.5 (8.5) The Universal Father is the secret of the reality of personality, the bestowal of personality, and the destiny of personality. The Eternal Son is the absolute personality, the secret of spiritual energy, morontia spirits, and perfected spirits. The Conjoint Actor is the spirit-mind personality, the source of intelligence, reason, and the universal mind. But the Isle of Paradise is nonpersonal and extraspiritual, being the essence of the universal body, the source and center of physical matter, and the absolute master pattern of universal material reality.

0:5.6 (8.6) These qualities of universal reality are manifest in Urantian human experience on the following levels:

0:5.7 (8.7) 1. Body. The material or physical organism of man. The living electrochemical mechanism of animal nature and origin.

0:5.8 (8.8) 2. Mind. The thinking, perceiving, and feeling mechanism of the human organism. The total conscious and unconscious experience. The intelligence associated with the emotional life reaching upward through worship and wisdom to the spirit level.

0:5.9 (8.9) 3. Spirit. The divine spirit that indwells the mind of man—the Thought Adjuster. This immortal spirit is prepersonal—not a personality, though destined to become a part of the personality of the surviving mortal creature.

0:5.10 (8.10) 4. Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to “do the will of the Father in heaven,” so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual—it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.

0:5.11 (9.1) Personality. The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit; neither is it the soul. Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality. The personality is the unique bestowal which the Universal Father makes upon the living and associated energies of matter, mind, and spirit, and which survives with the survival of the morontial soul.

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112:7.16 (1239.5) You have been instructed to a certain extent about the organization and personnel of the central universe, the superuniverses, and the local universes; you have been told something about the character and origin of some of the various personalities who now rule these far-flung creations. You have also been informed that there are in process of organization vast galaxies of universes far out beyond the periphery of the grand universe, in the first outer space level. It has also been intimated in the course of these narratives that the Supreme Being is to disclose his unrevealed tertiary function in these now uncharted regions of outer space; and you have also been told that the finaliters of the Paradise corps are the experiential children of the Supreme.

112:7.17 (1239.6) We believe that the mortals of Adjuster fusion, together with their finaliter associates, are destined to function in some manner in the administration of the universes of the first outer space level. We have not the slightest doubt that in due time these enormous galaxies will become inhabited universes. And we are equally convinced that among the administrators thereof will be found the Paradise finaliters whose natures are the cosmic consequence of the blending of creature and Creator.

112:7.18 (1239.7) What an adventure! What a romance! A gigantic creation to be administered by the children of the Supreme, these personalized and humanized Adjusters, these Adjusterized and eternalized mortals, these mysterious combinations and eternal associations of the highest known manifestation of the essence of the First Source and Center and the lowest form of intelligent life capable of comprehending and attaining the Universal Father. We conceive that such amalgamated beings, such partnerships of Creator and creature, will become superb rulers, matchless administrators, and understanding and sympathetic directors of any and all forms of intelligent life which may come into existence throughout these future universes of the first outer space level.

112:7.19 (1240.1) True it is, you mortals are of earthly, animal origin; your frame is indeed dust. But if you actually will, if you really desire, surely the heritage of the ages is yours, and you shall someday serve throughout the universes in your true characters—children of the Supreme God of experience and divine sons of the Paradise Father of all personalities.


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you say i indulge in “baby talk” with you.

81:6.17 (908.6) Language evolved out of group associations, each local group developing its own system of word exchange. Language grew up through gestures, signs, cries, imitative sounds, intonation, and accent to the vocalization of subsequent alphabets. Language is man’s greatest and most serviceable thinking tool, but it never flourished until social groups acquired some leisure. The tendency to play with language develops new words—slang. If the majority adopt the slang, then usage constitutes it language. The origin of dialects is illustrated by the indulgence in “baby talk” in a family group.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: Nope. You've not "launched" anything here but an endless tirade of gibberish, so far as I can tell. You're just not all that Rich!! Still waiting for anything relevant or topical. :roll:

But thanks for the humor. What a hoot! LOL 8)

When will this topic be locked too I wonder??? Surely that will not deter this troll. Oh well.....

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you say i indulge in “baby talk” with you.

81:6.17 (908.6) Language evolved out of group associations, each local group developing its own system of word exchange. Language grew up through gestures, signs, cries, imitative sounds, intonation, and accent to the vocalization of subsequent alphabets. Language is man’s greatest and most serviceable thinking tool, but it never flourished until social groups acquired some leisure. The tendency to play with language develops new words—slang. If the majority adopt the slang, then usage constitutes it language. The origin of dialects is illustrated by the indulgence in “baby talk” in a family group.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: Nope. You've not "launched" anything here but an endless tirade of gibberish, so far as I can tell. You're just not all that Rich!! Still waiting for anything relevant or topical. :roll:

But thanks for the humor. What a hoot! LOL 8)

When will this topic be locked too I wonder??? Surely that will not deter this troll. Oh well.....

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Nope...again! Not what I said at all. I said you choose to serve us irrelevant gibberish here.

Try harder Rich. :roll:


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0:5.10 (8.10) 4. Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to “do the will of the Father in heaven,” so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual—it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.

So that is the only definition I go by when understanding further soul revelations about "Universe Realities".

You jump right to Paper 112 for your understanding that is not attached to the way that concept will be discussed in the rest of the book. Do you even know that you are doing that? The vast majority of people who will read this book will not be looking for how what they are reading is all made up nonsense - like Star Trek Prime Directive dramas that would not have a problem with the soul concept, in general, as a Universe Reality.

Your attachment to this book is admirable. You leave the back door wide open for other truth seekers to wander in.


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The UB presents such a unique portrayal of soul and the inner religious experience. Certainly are all welcome to discover and explore the beautiful vision of universe realities presented by the Urantia Papers!

No need to limit the concept of mortal soul. Any student of the UB would benefit by a more complete review of the 500+ quotes related to "soul", including Papers 111 The Adjuster and the Soul and Paper 112 Personality Survival:

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... &op=Search

The birth of soul, the growth of soul, the survival of death, the resurrection of soul, the fusion of soul, and the eternal adventures and destiny of soul are each and all presented to us in the UB to inspire us and illuminate our personal relationship with God.

The soul is the result and fruit of a child's response to God Within. We are born connected to the Divine Spirit and our soul is the expression of our inner experience and relationship with God.

111:2.2 (1217.6) The material mind of mortal man is the cosmic loom that carries the morontia fabrics on which the indwelling Thought Adjuster threads the spirit patterns of a universe character of enduring values and divine meanings—a surviving soul of ultimate destiny and unending career, a potential finaliter.

111:2.3 (1218.1) The human personality is identified with mind and spirit held together in functional relationship by life in a material body. This functioning relationship of such mind and spirit does not result in some combination of the qualities or attributes of mind and spirit but rather in an entirely new, original, and unique universe value of potentially eternal endurance, the soul.

111:2.4 (1218.2) There are three and not two factors in the evolutionary creation of such an immortal soul. These three antecedents of the morontia human soul are:

111:2.5 (1218.3) 1. The human mind and all cosmic influences antecedent thereto and impinging thereon.

111:2.6 (1218.4) 2. The divine spirit indwelling this human mind and all potentials inherent in such a fragment of absolute spirituality together with all associated spiritual influences and factors in human life.

111:2.7 (1218.5) 3. The relationship between material mind and divine spirit, which connotes a value and carries a meaning not found in either of the contributing factors to such an association. The reality of this unique relationship is neither material nor spiritual but morontial. It is the soul.

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your argumentative defense is inversely proportional to your truth contained in it.

48:7.30 (557.14) 28. The argumentative defense of any proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained.

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Frankly you offer nothing here for anyone's understanding Rich.


Still comparing yourself to Jesus. And still not a single post from you related or relevant to any of your prior topics or posts.

You choose irrelevancy. So be it. You may be as irrelevant and irrational as you choose for yourself to be.


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your argumentative defense is inversely proportional to your truth contained in it.

48:7.30 (557.14) 28. The argumentative defense of any proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained.

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Frankly you offer nothing here for anyone's understanding Rich.


Still comparing yourself to Jesus. And still not a single post from you related or relevant to any of your prior topics or posts.

You choose irrelevancy. So be it. You may be as irrelevant and irrational as you choose for yourself to be.


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Is there some proposition being argued or defended here by anyone? What might that be?

Something topical or relevant from you Rich would be so welcome!! So far you offer nothing for consideration, reflection, study, discussion, or any argument.

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Rich, I am glad that you want to have discussion on this forum. But your use of Urantia Book quotes is off the mark. I know you love the book and you're good at finding passages but do you think it is really helpful to use quotes like this to answer those who are trying to engage with you?

Isn't there something you could contribute to the discussion that has developed here about the soul? Something that is important to you about your own soul, for example?


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The UB presents such a unique portrayal of soul and the inner religious experience. Certainly are all welcome to discover and explore the beautiful vision of universe realities presented by the Urantia Papers!

No need to limit the concept of mortal soul. Any student of the UB would benefit by a more complete review of the 500+ quotes related to "soul", including Papers 111 The Adjuster and the Soul and Paper 112 Personality Survival:

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... &op=Search

The birth of soul, the growth of soul, the survival of death, the resurrection of soul, the fusion of soul, and the eternal adventures and destiny of soul are each and all presented to us in the UB to inspire us and illuminate our personal relationship with God.

The soul is the result and fruit of a child's response to God Within. We are born connected to the Divine Spirit and our soul is the expression of our inner experience and relationship with God.

111:2.2 (1217.6) The material mind of mortal man is the cosmic loom that carries the morontia fabrics on which the indwelling Thought Adjuster threads the spirit patterns of a universe character of enduring values and divine meanings—a surviving soul of ultimate destiny and unending career, a potential finaliter.

111:2.3 (1218.1) The human personality is identified with mind and spirit held together in functional relationship by life in a material body. This functioning relationship of such mind and spirit does not result in some combination of the qualities or attributes of mind and spirit but rather in an entirely new, original, and unique universe value of potentially eternal endurance, the soul.

111:2.4 (1218.2) There are three and not two factors in the evolutionary creation of such an immortal soul. These three antecedents of the morontia human soul are:

111:2.5 (1218.3) 1. The human mind and all cosmic influences antecedent thereto and impinging thereon.

111:2.6 (1218.4) 2. The divine spirit indwelling this human mind and all potentials inherent in such a fragment of absolute spirituality together with all associated spiritual influences and factors in human life.

111:2.7 (1218.5) 3. The relationship between material mind and divine spirit, which connotes a value and carries a meaning not found in either of the contributing factors to such an association. The reality of this unique relationship is neither material nor spiritual but morontial. It is the soul.

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Yes, a very big topic - "soul". So big, that when you type in the word "soul" for a search engine chug of data - it is asking you to refine the search with some other parameters - did you do that to the search engine? :badgrin:

111:2.7 (1218.5) 3. The relationship between material mind and divine spirit, which connotes a value and carries a meaning not found in either of the contributing factors to such an association. The reality of this unique relationship is neither material nor spiritual but morontial. It is the soul.

So what is the relationship between "material mind and divine spirit" when the seven adjutant mind circuits are how Universal Mind Gravity Circuit, a UNIVERSE GRAVITY explained in Paper 12, is present on Urantia.

From Paper 36 we have this, "The sprits of the seven universe adjutants do not function as personalities apart from the universe presence of the Divine Minister;...."

How long has "soul" awareness been in the "mind" of beings who operate on all cylinders, so to speak, all 7 circuits lit up?

Goes back to Andon and Fonta....so 900K+ years....and we are only learning about Personality and Adjuster being gifts from Creator Father now...? Weird, right?

Sometimes you just have to keep it simple - origin, purpose, destiny - to understand everything humans did NOT create.

And that's what is so spectacular about Part IV of the Urantia Book - Jesus already knows everything in Papers 1 through 119.

Jesus did not live his life among us having pre-judged us to be incapable of understanding "Universe Gravity". He considered the PERSONALITY of Man to be "sacred".

So are we all clear on the fundamentals of gravity circuits...? Souls need a place to be...Personality and Body provided for Soul Creation - the PURPOSE.

111:2.7 (1218.5) 3.The relationship between material mind and divine spirit, which connotes a value and carries a meaning not found in either of the contributing factors to such an association. The reality of this unique relationship is neither material nor spiritual but morontial. It is the soul.

I always found it amusing that there are "seven deadly sins" - not sure if an elaborate decades long discussion about which deadly sin corresponds to which Adjutant Spirit (Paper 36) is worth going into... 8)

Pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony and sloth, seven chakras, and seven Adjutant mind spirits....

Too many ways to make mankind look as bad as possible then justify it's extinction. Jesus was up against "make you wish you were never born", and proved that concept wrong when He came back as a Morontia Soul - our destiny.


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Student says above: "And that's what is so spectacular about Part IV of the Urantia Book - Jesus already knows everything in Papers 1 through 119."

Hmmmm.... eventually, yes. But not prior to the time in the Perean Hills I don't think. Jesus was quite human, the Son of Man, first. His mind and mortal religious experience and growth were so wonderfully human in nature and expression. He was 29-30 before he comes to remember his universe reality perspective and experience as Son of God. His public ministry begins at this time. See Paper 136.

129:3.9 (1424.4) On this Mediterranean journey Jesus made great advances in his human task of mastering the material and mortal mind, and his indwelling Adjuster made great progress in the ascension and spiritual conquest of this same human intellect. By the end of this tour Jesus virtually knew—with all human certainty—that he was a Son of God, a Creator Son of the Universal Father. The Adjuster more and more was able to bring up in the mind of the Son of Man shadowy memories of his Paradise experience in association with his divine Father ere he ever came to organize and administer this local universe of Nebadon. Thus did the Adjuster, little by little, bring to Jesus’ human consciousness those necessary memories of his former and divine existence in the various epochs of the well-nigh eternal past. The last episode of his prehuman experience to be brought forth by the Adjuster was his farewell conference with Immanuel of Salvington just before his surrender of conscious personality to embark upon the Urantia incarnation. And this final memory picture of prehuman existence was made clear in Jesus’ consciousness on the very day of his baptism by John in the Jordan.

196:1.1 (2090.2) Jesus’ devotion to the Father’s will and the service of man was even more than mortal decision and human determination; it was a wholehearted consecration of himself to such an unreserved bestowal of love. No matter how great the fact of the sovereignty of Michael, you must not take the human Jesus away from men. The Master has ascended on high as a man, as well as God; he belongs to men; men belong to him. How unfortunate that religion itself should be so misinterpreted as to take the human Jesus away from struggling mortals! Let not the discussions of the humanity or the divinity of the Christ obscure the saving truth that Jesus of Nazareth was a religious man who, by faith, achieved the knowing and the doing of the will of God; he was the most truly religious man who has ever lived on Urantia.

196:1.6 (2091.2) Just as men must progress from the consciousness of the human to the realization of the divine, so did Jesus ascend from the nature of man to the consciousness of the nature of God. And the Master made this great ascent from the human to the divine by the conjoint achievement of the faith of his mortal intellect and the acts of his indwelling Adjuster. ....

196:2.3 (2092.1) Mark, Matthew, and Luke retain something of the picture of the human Jesus as he engaged in the superb struggle to ascertain the divine will and to do that will. John presents a picture of the triumphant Jesus as he walked on earth in the full consciousness of divinity. The great mistake that has been made by those who have studied the Master’s life is that some have conceived of him as entirely human, while others have thought of him as only divine. Throughout his entire experience he was truly both human and divine, even as he yet is.

196:2.4 (2092.2) But the greatest mistake was made in that, while the human Jesus was recognized as having a religion, the divine Jesus (Christ) almost overnight became a religion. Paul’s Christianity made sure of the adoration of the divine Christ, but it almost wholly lost sight of the struggling and valiant human Jesus of Galilee, who, by the valor of his personal religious faith and the heroism of his indwelling Adjuster, ascended from the lowly levels of humanity to become one with divinity, thus becoming the new and living way whereby all mortals may so ascend from humanity to divinity. Mortals in all stages of spirituality and on all worlds may find in the personal life of Jesus that which will strengthen and inspire them as they progress from the lowest spirit levels up to the highest divine values, from the beginning to the end of all personal religious experience.


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Yes, I agree there are so many directions and dimensions for the study of "soul"!

The unconscious experience of faith and response to the Deity connection within which delivers the birth of soul.

The growth of soul by both conscious and unconscious choices and motivation and priorities.

The soul's own self awareness and ability to grow and awareness of mortal mind and our TA.

The soul as self and the surviving and ascending person of destiny that is me!

The soul's reflection of experiential wisdom and Divine Presence.

So much to discover... perhaps we should consider a dedicated topic here for such a study?

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Student says above: "And that's what is so spectacular about Part IV of the Urantia Book - Jesus already knows everything in Papers 1 through 119."

Hmmmm.... eventually, yes. But not prior to the time in the Perean Hills I don't think. Jesus was quite human, the Son of Man, first. His mind and mortal religious experience and growth were so wonderfully human in nature and expression. He was 29-30 before he comes to remember his universe reality perspective and experience as Son of God. His public ministry begins at this time. See Paper 136.

129:3.9 (1424.4) On this Mediterranean journey Jesus made great advances in his human task of mastering the material and mortal mind, and his indwelling Adjuster made great progress in the ascension and spiritual conquest of this same human intellect. By the end of this tour Jesus virtually knew—with all human certainty—that he was a Son of God, a Creator Son of the Universal Father. The Adjuster more and more was able to bring up in the mind of the Son of Man shadowy memories of his Paradise experience in association with his divine Father ere he ever came to organize and administer this local universe of Nebadon. Thus did the Adjuster, little by little, bring to Jesus’ human consciousness those necessary memories of his former and divine existence in the various epochs of the well-nigh eternal past. The last episode of his prehuman experience to be brought forth by the Adjuster was his farewell conference with Immanuel of Salvington just before his surrender of conscious personality to embark upon the Urantia incarnation. And this final memory picture of prehuman existence was made clear in Jesus’ consciousness on the very day of his baptism by John in the Jordan.

196:1.1 (2090.2) Jesus’ devotion to the Father’s will and the service of man was even more than mortal decision and human determination; it was a wholehearted consecration of himself to such an unreserved bestowal of love. No matter how great the fact of the sovereignty of Michael, you must not take the human Jesus away from men. The Master has ascended on high as a man, as well as God; he belongs to men; men belong to him. How unfortunate that religion itself should be so misinterpreted as to take the human Jesus away from struggling mortals! Let not the discussions of the humanity or the divinity of the Christ obscure the saving truth that Jesus of Nazareth was a religious man who, by faith, achieved the knowing and the doing of the will of God; he was the most truly religious man who has ever lived on Urantia.

196:1.6 (2091.2) Just as men must progress from the consciousness of the human to the realization of the divine, so did Jesus ascend from the nature of man to the consciousness of the nature of God. And the Master made this great ascent from the human to the divine by the conjoint achievement of the faith of his mortal intellect and the acts of his indwelling Adjuster. ....

196:2.3 (2092.1) Mark, Matthew, and Luke retain something of the picture of the human Jesus as he engaged in the superb struggle to ascertain the divine will and to do that will. John presents a picture of the triumphant Jesus as he walked on earth in the full consciousness of divinity. The great mistake that has been made by those who have studied the Master’s life is that some have conceived of him as entirely human, while others have thought of him as only divine. Throughout his entire experience he was truly both human and divine, even as he yet is.

196:2.4 (2092.2) But the greatest mistake was made in that, while the human Jesus was recognized as having a religion, the divine Jesus (Christ) almost overnight became a religion. Paul’s Christianity made sure of the adoration of the divine Christ, but it almost wholly lost sight of the struggling and valiant human Jesus of Galilee, who, by the valor of his personal religious faith and the heroism of his indwelling Adjuster, ascended from the lowly levels of humanity to become one with divinity, thus becoming the new and living way whereby all mortals may so ascend from humanity to divinity. Mortals in all stages of spirituality and on all worlds may find in the personal life of Jesus that which will strengthen and inspire them as they progress from the lowest spirit levels up to the highest divine values, from the beginning to the end of all personal religious experience.


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Yes, I agree there are so many directions and dimensions for the study of "soul"!

The unconscious experience of faith and response to the Deity connection within which delivers the birth of soul.

The growth of soul by both conscious and unconscious choices and motivation and priorities.

The soul's own self awareness and ability to grow and awareness of mortal mind and our TA.

The soul as self and the surviving and ascending person of destiny that is me!

The soul's reflection of experiential wisdom and Divine Presence.

So much to discover... perhaps we should consider a dedicated topic here for such a study?

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[quote="fanofVan"]Student says above: "And that's what is so spectacular about Part IV of the Urantia Book - Jesus already knows everything in Papers 1 through 119."

Hmmmm.... eventually, yes. But not prior to the time in the Perean Hills I don't think. Jesus was quite human, the Son of Man, first. His mind and mortal religious experience and growth were so wonderfully human in nature and expression. He was 29-30 before he comes to remember his universe reality perspective and experience as Son of God. His public ministry begins at this time. See Paper 136.

Hi there,

Not "eventually" - at least not according to Paper 120...He was rescuing humanity - our natural birthright as Children of God.

Origin, purpose, destiny. No conversation among sincere students learning ANYTHING in life can go off the reservation, so to speak, when it comes to the Truth - who are we?

So you seem to have interpreted what was always a part of the plan for the Bestowal of Michael on Nebadon as a "test". It was a "test" to find a good set of parents after the default of Adam and Eve, I'll give you that, but that was delegated to the rest of the Bestowal Mission personnel to find. He was going to come back in Morontia form to "show the way", and that is why the CHOICE was doing it the "natural" way, at least that is how I read it after reading all the 119 papers setting up the facts of the Bestowal. And that's what was awesome about rediscovering how he never left us. That's what "The Spirit of Truth" is, His Personality presence in one of the four gravities distributed across the Eternal NOW creation in time and space. His personal and intimate gift to the human consciousness that knows there is a higher consciousness.

Personality is from God in ORIGIN, and the Thought Adjusters ARE God in presence.

Fatherhood of God, Brotherhood of Man

Even a completely mechanistic approach tells you that is who we are....Children of God, who don't need anything that God did not already give us, freely, to grow our soul in his garden - Earth - a cosmic Nursery of Life Forms.

So what do you think is going on...who are you?


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