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So... I was doing a little research on wisdom and discovered an interesting and very revealing fact. The definition of homo is:
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"Homo is the genus which emerged in the otherwise extinct genus Australopithecus that encompasses the extant species Homo sapiens, plus several extinct species classified as either ancestral to or closely related to modern humans, most notably Homo erectus and Homo neanderthalensis. The genus is taken to emerge with the appearance of Homo habilis, just over two million years ago."

And the definition of sapien is: "A Latin word meaning wise."

Homo sapiens are "wise, discerning, and sensible" or modern human, the pinnacle of genus homo. [ . . . ]

Even more interesting (and revealing!) is the transition from Homo sapiens to Homo sapiens-sapiens:

Link 1: homo sapiens-sapiens
Link 2: The Evolution of Homo sapiens-sapiens

Is this distinction distinguishing the Andonites from the Sangiks?

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"So mortals today enjoy both evolutionary, faith based, religious experience and also personally revealed, truth based, religious experience. The evolutionary wisdom gained is experiential and the revelatory truths are endowed - but still must be discerned or realized and applied to our experience to become personal wisdom which is also then, experiential. Even revelation must be experienced to be real or to gain wisdom thereby. We are experiential beings. Wisdom is not given but learned."

This comment brings to mind that statement from 101:5.14:

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"Increasingly throughout the morontia progression the assurance of truth replaces the assurance of faith. When you are finally mustered into the actual spirit world, then will the assurances of pure spirit insight operate in the place of faith and truth or, rather, in conjunction with, and superimposed upon, these former techniques of personality assurance." (1111.4) 101:5.14

Faith and truth as "former techniques of personality assurance" ?!

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What a blessing. Faith results in its own proof by the growing assurance which is always it result as our branch grows the fruits of the Divine Spirit within!!

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Even more interesting (and revealing!) is the transition from Homo sapiens to Homo sapiens-sapiens:

Link 1: homo sapiens-sapiens
Link 2: The Evolution of Homo sapiens-sapiens

Is this distinction distinguishing the Andonites from the Sangiks?


Hi Nigel, good question.

I think the answer must be something along the lines of "partially". European, Asian and African skeletons from 300,000 to 500,000 years ago are generally still "archaic" in appearance and bone dimensions. I think most anthropologists identify the earliest examples of homo sapiens sapiens as appearing much, much more recently. It might be the case that the Sangik peoples possessed, from the start, a much enhanced capacity for rapid development. But that development apparently may have taken hundreds of thousands of years to fully manifest. Also, the injection of Adamic characteristics might have been important to the development of "anatomically modern humans" (which I believe is sort of a synonym for "homo sapiens sapiens").


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Thank you Nigel. You posted:

"Faith and truth as "former techniques of personality assurance" ?!"

Yes. Precisely. "Former". I believe we are taught by this quote and others that faith is a bridge. A long bridge but one which bears less and less weight as we are spiritized and gain in experiential wisdom. More and more certainty and evidence and experience and objectivity and wisdom all come to us over time which reduces the amount we rely upon faith.

It certainly does not reduce the meaning or value of faith or supplant and replace our faith...but our reliance on faith becomes enhanced and supplemented and complimented and empowered by knowledge and understanding and perspective which can only come by our universe adventure and the resulting experiential wisdom.

"Personality assurance" finds new sources as we make progress. The faith experience and the truth received by personal revelation which begins our religious experience is the seed of the mustard tree of reality awareness, objectivity, and wisdom which comes by time and experience IN reality. The journey in reality itself reveals reality. Morontia experience, education, and mota are the next contributions to that journey of revelation.

In this life, science and epochal revelation give us the more objective, factual, and impersonal (really non-subjective) perspective...but still are we surrounded by and our perceptions driven by ignorance and prejudice and false beliefs and misunderstandings and mysteries and superstitions....and worse. Faith and revelation may be all that we personally enjoy and embrace that has ANY objective, reality oriented truth and fact. The fact of faith and the truth of religious experience are sufficient in this life....they are a wide and sturdy bridge over troubled waters and deep chasms of doubt and uncertainty and ignorance and fear and the animal nature.

But on the other side of this life's bridge is the glory land!! Filled with angels and celestials and guides and teachers and wonder and delight and universe reality and fact and knowledge and MOTA!! Will we still need faith and truth assurance? Absolutely!! But look at all the other supporting elements that will feed our confidence and eliminate our fears and doubts and embolden us in our uncertainties and adventure of being and becoming!!

What is the difference between faith and knowledge?? One may find assurance and certainty in both. But knowledge of and in reality and personal spiritualization and mind spiritization delivers "spirit insight" and does reduce our dependence upon faith as the source of our certainty I think!!

101:2.10 (1106.9) Faith reveals God in the soul. Revelation, the substitute for morontia insight on an evolutionary world, enables man to see the same God in nature that faith exhibits in his soul. Thus does revelation successfully bridge the gulf between the material and the spiritual, even between the creature and the Creator, between man and God.

101:5.12 (1111.2) Evolved religion rests wholly on faith. Revelation has the additional assurance of its expanded presentation of the truths of divinity and reality and the still more valuable testimony of the actual experience which accumulates in consequence of the practical working union of the faith of evolution and the truth of revelation. Such a working union of human faith and divine truth constitutes the possession of a character well on the road to the actual acquirement of a morontial personality.

101:5.13 (1111.3) Evolutionary religion provides only the assurance of faith and the confirmation of conscience; revelatory religion provides the assurance of faith plus the truth of a living experience in the realities of revelation. The third step in religion, or the third phase of the experience of religion, has to do with the morontia state, the firmer grasp of mota. Increasingly in the morontia progression the truths of revealed religion are expanded; more and more you will know the truth of supreme values, divine goodnesses, universal relationships, eternal realities, and ultimate destinies.

101:5.14 (1111.4) Increasingly throughout the morontia progression the assurance of truth replaces the assurance of faith. When you are finally mustered into the actual spirit world, then will the assurances of pure spirit insight operate in the place of faith and truth or, rather, in conjunction with, and superimposed upon, these former techniques of personality assurance.

48:8.2 (557.17) There is a definite and divine purpose in all this morontia and subsequent spirit scheme of mortal progression, this elaborate universe training school for ascending creatures. It is the design of the Creators to afford the creatures of time a graduated opportunity to master the details of the operation and administration of the grand universe, and this long course of training is best carried forward by having the surviving mortal climb up gradually and by actual participation in every step of the ascent.

48:8.3 (558.1) The mortal-survival plan has a practical and serviceable objective; you are not the recipients of all this divine labor and painstaking training only that you may survive just to enjoy endless bliss and eternal ease. There is a goal of transcendent service concealed beyond the horizon of the present universe age. If the Gods designed merely to take you on one long and eternal joy excursion, they certainly would not so largely turn the whole universe into one vast and intricate practical training school, requisition a substantial part of the celestial creation as teachers and instructors, and then spend ages upon ages piloting you, one by one, through this gigantic universe school of experiential training. The furtherance of the scheme of mortal progression seems to be one of the chief businesses of the present organized universe, and the majority of innumerable orders of created intelligences are either directly or indirectly engaged in advancing some phase of this progressive perfection plan.

48:8.4 (558.2) In traversing the ascending scale of living existence from mortal man to the Deity embrace, you actually live the very life of every possible phase and stage of perfected creature existence within the limits of the present universe age. From mortal man to Paradise finaliter embraces all that now can be—encompasses everything presently possible to the living orders of intelligent, perfected finite creature beings. If the future destiny of the Paradise finaliters is service in new universes now in the making, it is assured that in this new and future creation there will be no created orders of experiential beings whose lives will be wholly different from those which mortal finaliters have lived on some world as a part of their ascending training, as one of the stages of their agelong progress from animal to angel and from angel to spirit and from spirit to God.

Thanks again Nigel!! :wink: :biggrin: 8)


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Bradly - nice stuff over here on this post - will try to read more of it !


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Thanks Steve (shrimpythai)!

Yes this ties in nicely with your current studies in Paper 106 - Universe Levels of Reality - as presented on page 39 of your topic on the Life and teachings of Jesus:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5556&start=570

And with the discussion/topic on "Evolution":

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5584

Thanks for being here!!

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Bradly - good verse
101:5.12 (1111.2) Evolved religion rests wholly on faith.
and also the fact that the UB lays out exact and detailed paths of life after death and what happens - is enough for me to confirm new test and bible stuff said by JC. Enough to know for sure and not doubt if you care to have the Faith to believe. Extra-ordinary to say the least or Extraordinary...
had 2 friends here in thailand - one was telling me there was no proof that JC ever lived and we could argue that for a while until i had to give up - another was a science and Darwin and evolutionist and I did argue with many times that we are more than just 1 million years of evolution to get to where we are now - but could not change his mind either so I did stop trying - had great conversations about a lot of stuff tho - some people just are stuck in their thinking and there ain't no changing their Mind. 5 5 5

but the UB lays it all out there - pretty sure no other book goes into so much detail on life after death on earth as the UB and life going onwards and upwards into other realms - I could be wrong but I haven't read any other book that does.


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On another topic I posted the following text to illustrate the value and importance of evolutionary, experiential wisdom in liaison with Divine wisdom in the administration of the universes of time. I thought the issue was so relevant to this topic that I copied it here.

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19:2.5 (216.3) The Perfectors of Wisdom will always require this complement of experiential wisdom for the completion of their administrative sagacity. But it has been postulated that a high and hitherto unattained level of wisdom may possibly be achieved by the Paradise finaliters after they are sometime inducted into the seventh stage of spirit existence. If this inference is correct, then would such perfected beings of evolutionary ascent undoubtedly become the most effective universe administrators ever to be known in all creation. I believe that such is the high destiny of finaliters.

Komposer asks in response:

"What does it mean to be a universe administrator? Are we trained to become like the Stationary Sons of the Trinity in our universe role, but for the outer universes (with the exception of the Trinitized Sons of Attainment who complement the Stationary Sons in this age and maybe even the next)?"


Bradly here: please read Paper 10, section 6 and Paper 19 and study the following related text:

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/se ... &op=Search

The authors do appear yo confirm and speculate that once all 7 Super Universes are settled in Light and Life and the Corps of Finality are assigned to new service duties in the outer space regions, we/they will attain final 7th stage spirit status and will emerge with a new level and form of combined and perfected wisdom that unifies and expresses both the experiential and Divine wisdoms.

The Supreme and The Finaliters will both become the agents for the expression of this ultimate union the perfect and the perfected, the union of creator and created in the next grand adventure of creation.

This teaching epitomizes the very apex of experiential wisdom in this age of time and space...mortal ascenders serving wit the Stationary Sons in the universes of time as high advisors to the rulers of Super and Local Universes.

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Hello Bradly!

Thanks for redirecting me to this thread! The Stationary Sons of the Trinity are radically different from the mortal finaliters both in their nature and their origin, but the fact that their main role is that of universe administration bears a similarity to everything that is said about the finaliters and their future role as some kind of outer space administrators, doesn't it?

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This teaching epitomizes the very apex of experiential wisdom in this age of time and space...mortal ascenders serving wit the Stationary Sons in the universes of time as high advisors to the rulers of Super and Local Universes.


It is truly fascinating how the lowest intelligent, free-willed creatures can ascend the evolutionary ladder and become associates with beings of such high origin.

It is all so mysterious, but still exciting. So many intricate details that point to future possibilities. Reading again for example about the Stationary Sons of the Trinity there is the following to be said:

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19:4.2 (217.8) One Censor is commissioned on each of the billion worlds of the central universe, being attached to the planetary administration of the resident Eternal of Days. Neither Perfectors of Wisdom nor Divine Counselors are thus permanently attached to the Havona administrations, nor do we altogether understand why Universal Censors are stationed in the central universe. Their present activities hardly account for their assignment in Havona, and we therefore suspect that they are there in anticipation of the needs of some future universe age in which the Havona population may partially change.

19:4.7 (218.5) But this is not the end of our difficulties regarding the working of the minds of the Universal Censors. Having made due allowances for all that we know or conjecture about the functioning of a Censor in any given universe situation, we find that we are still unable to predict decisions or to forecast verdicts. We very accurately determine the probable result of the association of Creator attitude and creature experience, but such conclusions are not always accurate forecasts of Censor disclosures. It seems likely that the Censors are in some manner in liaison with the Deity Absolute; we are otherwise unable to explain many of their decisions and rulings.


I wonder what these future changes might be and why they are already commissioned on the Havona worlds. A future universe age won't come for a very, very long time so what is it they are accomplishing there in relation to their future role in the central universe? Are they undergoing some kind of aeons-long training, I wonder?

Another "detail" that can be noticed in another paper is the following:

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106:8.8 (1171.1) THE FIRST LEVEL: On this initial level of association it is believed that the three Trinities function as perfectly synchronized, though distinct, groupings of Deity personalities.

106:8.9 (1171.2) 1. The Paradise Trinity, the association of the three Paradise Deities—Father, Son, and Spirit. It should be remembered that the Paradise Trinity implies a threefold function—an absolute function, a transcendental function (Trinity of Ultimacy), and a finite function (Trinity of Supremacy). The Paradise Trinity is any and all of these at any and all times.

106:8.10 (1171.3) 2. The Ultimate Trinity. This is the deity association of the Supreme Creators, God the Supreme, and the Architects of the Master Universe. While this is an adequate presentation of the divinity aspects of this Trinity, it should be recorded that there are other phases of this Trinity, which, however, appear to be perfectly co-ordinating with the divinity aspects.

106:8.11 (1171.4) 3. The Absolute Trinity. This is the grouping of God the Supreme, God the Ultimate, and the Consummator of Universe Destiny in regard to all divinity values. Certain other phases of this triune grouping have to do with other-than-divinity values in the expanding cosmos. But these are unifying with the divinity phases just as the power and the personality aspects of the experiential Deities are now in process of experiential synthesis.

106:8.12 (1171.5) The association of these three Trinities in the Trinity of Trinities provides for a possible unlimited integration of reality. This grouping contains causes, intermediates, and finals; inceptors, realizers, and consummators; beginnings, existences, and destinies. The Father-Son partnership has become Son-Spirit and then Spirit-Supreme and on to Supreme-Ultimate and Ultimate-Absolute, even to Absolute and Father-Infinite—the completion of the cycle of reality. Likewise, in other phases not so immediately concerned with divinity and personality, does the First Great Source and Center self-realize the limitlessness of reality around the circle of eternity, from the absoluteness of self-existence, through the endlessness of self-revelation, to the finality of self-realization—from the absolute of existentials to the finality of experientials.


God the Supreme appears to be a member of two Trinities: the Ultimate and the Absolute. So, in the Trinity of Trinities he appears twice. How is this possible since we are not talking about a triunity which is an association, but a trinity which is an entity or structure? And why do the authors still use the word grouping and association to refer to these trinities, I wonder...? I must be mixing things up. The Deity papers are in my opinion the most difficult to comprehend in the UB. But still, do you think there is some significance that God the Supreme appears or will appear in two different trinities in the eternal future?

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104:3.16 (1147.8 ) Thus does the Paradise Trinity stand unique among absolute relationships; there are several existential triunities but only one existential Trinity. A triunity is not an entity. It is functional rather than organic. Its members are partners rather than corporative. The components of the triunities may be entities, but a triunity itself is an association.

104:3.17 (1147.9) There is, however, one point of comparison between trinity and triunity: Both eventuate in functions that are something other than the discernible sum of the attributes of the component members. But while they are thus comparable from a functional standpoint, they otherwise exhibit no categorical relationship. They are roughly related as the relation of function to structure. But the function of the triunity association is not the function of the trinity structure or entity.


P.S. I hope I am not hijacking this thread too with my questions. I really don't want to inundate the forum with new threads for each question of mine.


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All very interesting and relevant...and welcome here.

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Komposer, you might find these links interesting in trying to wrap your mind around some of these concepts:

https://www.urantia.org/study-master-universe/study-master-universe
https://www.urantia.org/appendices-study-master-universe/appendices-study-master-universe

They were written by Bill Sadler, Jr back in the 50s. They're pretty heavy, but quite readable.

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Komposer, you might find these links interesting in trying to wrap your mind around some of these concepts:

https://www.urantia.org/study-master-universe/study-master-universe
https://www.urantia.org/appendices-study-master-universe/appendices-study-master-universe

They were written by Bill Sadler, Jr back in the 50s. They're pretty heavy, but quite readable.

MaryJo


Thank you MaryJo! I remember having read bits and parts of these in the past. Maybe it's time to reread it. :)

The UB authors certainly did leave much information out so that our imagination can remain active, despite the book being a revelation, which I think is a good thing!

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30:0.2 (330.2) It is not possible to formulate comprehensive and entirely consistent classifications of the personalities of the grand universe because all of the groups are not revealed. It would require numerous additional papers to cover the further revelation required to systematically classify all groups. Such conceptual expansion would hardly be desirable as it would deprive the thinking mortals of the next thousand years of that stimulus to creative speculation which these partially revealed concepts supply. It is best that man not have an overrevelation; it stifles imagination.


By the way, is the above a foreshadowing of the time span of the fifth epochal revelation? I cannot even begin to imagine the cultural and spiritual evolution our planet will have undergone in one thousand years with the knowledge of the revelation! We are now heading up the steep hill of human ignorance, self-importance, obsolete traditions and disunity, but sooner or later the Spirit of Truth will guide us to the top and we will witness the sun rising and the open horizon welcoming us. What a joyful thought this is! :)

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It seems to me that the quote you cited IS an indication of the span of time that this revelation will be operative. If you consider the time frames of the other revelations, one thousand years seems pretty much in line. Although, with the acceleration of events on this world, it could be that we'll see a Majesterial Son sometime, too. We are quite out of step here, so anything could happen.

Who knows? In the meantime, we keep on keepin' on, knowing that we just can't see all that much at any one time, but we do know our destiny, which is such a blessing!


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It seems to me that the quote you cited IS an indication of the span of time that this revelation will be operative. If you consider the time frames of the other revelations, one thousand years seems pretty much in line. Although, with the acceleration of events on this world, it could be that we'll see a Majesterial Son sometime, too. We are quite out of step here, so anything could happen.

Who knows? In the meantime, we keep on keepin' on, knowing that we just can't see all that much at any one time, but we do know our destiny, which is such a blessing!


Indeed it does follow the time frames of the other revelations. Regarding the coming of a Magisterial Son the UB has the following to say:

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20:4.5 (227.3) Urantia may yet be visited by an Avonal commissioned to incarnate on a magisterial mission, but regarding the future appearance of Paradise Sons, not even “the angels in heaven know the time or manner of such visitations,” for a Michael-bestowal world becomes the individual and personal ward of a Master Son and, as such, is wholly subject to his own plans and rulings. And with your world, this is further complicated by Michael’s promise to return. Regardless of the misunderstandings about the Urantian sojourn of Michael of Nebadon, one thing is certainly authentic—his promise to come back to your world. In view of this prospect, only time can reveal the future order of the visitations of the Paradise Sons of God on Urantia.


The FER has hardly begun; there have been new translations, online fora, scientific and artistic endeavors inspired by it among other things, but it is, as I see it, still in its infancy, in a cocoon-like state so to speak, waiting for the era of relative stability, as we are informed, where humans will more actively pursue the spiritual leading of their Thought Adjusters. A revelation on top of a revelation, which the coming of an Avonal Son on Urantia would constitute, would be too drastic a plan I think, wouldn't it?

In the final analysis, who knows indeed? I do believe though that speculation can excite curiosity and imagination and mobilize the mind and body to walk on the evolving revelatory path (or revealed evolutionary path... I don't know which one it is). If I were to picture it in my head, I would imagine a street lamp on a long road whose light could light the way for thousands of miles until a point were reached, where it would be dark and then another street lamp would light up again the way for the next thousands of miles and so on. The street lamps are the revelations and the long road is the path of evolution. All of us, collectively walk upon this road and at the same time, individually, walk on the evolutionary path of personality unification.

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According to the UB, the tadpoles of time have a full spectrum of future service adventures, both during the current time dispensation as the Grand Universe becomes slowly settled in Light and Life and the Supreme evolves into the future experiential expression of this perfecting dispensation.

We ascendent mortals from time have important work to do once we complete the Havona adventure and education. We can be mustered into the Corps of Finality or volunteer for other assignments prior to that eventual mustering. In most cases we leave Havona back to the universes of time to help with the long evolutionary perfecting process of the realization of potentials...which results in new and greater potential for further realization in time.

22:1.10 (244.1) The Trinitized Sons of Attainment—the Mighty Messengers, Those High in Authority, and Those without Name and Number—are all Adjuster-fused ascendant mortals who have attained Paradise and the Corps of the Finality. But they are not finaliters; when they have been Trinity embraced, their names are removed from the finaliter roll call. The new sons of this order pass through specific courses of training, for comparatively short periods, on the circuit headquarters planets of the Havona circuits under the direction of the Eternals of Days. Thereafter they are assigned to the services of the Ancients of Days in the seven superuniverses.

22:1.12 (244.3) The Trinitized Sons of Perfection. The Celestial Guardians and their co-ordinates, the High Son Assistants, comprise a unique group of twice-trinitized personalities. They are the creature-trinitized sons of Paradise-Havona personalities or of perfected ascendant mortals who have long distinguished themselves in the Corps of the Finality. Some of these creature-trinitized sons, after service with the Supreme Executives of the Seven Master Spirits and after serving under the Trinity Teacher Sons, are retrinitized (embraced) by the Paradise Trinity and then commissioned to the courts of the Ancients of Days as Celestial Guardians and as High Son Assistants. Trinitized Sons of Perfection are assigned directly to the superuniverse service without further training.

22:1.13 (244.4) Our Trinity-origin associates—Perfectors of Wisdom, Divine Counselors, and Universal Censors—are of stationary numbers, but the Trinity-embraced sons are constantly increasing. All seven orders of Trinity-embraced sons are commissioned as members of one of the seven superuniverse governments, and the number in the service of each superuniverse is exactly the same; not one has ever been lost. Trinity-embraced beings have never gone astray; they may stumble temporarily, but not one has ever been adjudged in contempt of the superuniverse governments. The Sons of Attainment and the Sons of Selection have never faltered in the service of Orvonton, but the Trinitized Sons of Perfection have sometimes erred in judgment and thereby caused transient confusion.

22:1.14 (244.5) Under the direction of the Ancients of Days all seven orders function very much as self-governing groups. Their scope of service is far-flung; Trinitized Sons of Perfection do not leave the superuniverse of assignment, but their trinitized associates range the grand universe, journeying from the evolutionary worlds of time and space to the eternal Isle of Paradise. They may function in any of the superuniverses, but they do so always as members of the supergovernment of original designation.


22:4.4 (247.3) The selection of candidates for the trinitization classes of Mighty Messengers, Those High in Authority, and Those without Name and Number is inherent and automatic. The selective techniques of Paradise are not in any sense arbitrary. Personal experience and spiritual values determine the personnel of the Trinitized Sons of Attainment. Such beings are equal in authority and uniform in administrative status, but they all possess individuality and diverse characters; they are not standardized beings. All are characteristically different, depending on the differentials of their ascendant careers.

22:4.5 (247.4) In addition to these experiential qualifications, the Trinitized Sons of Attainment have been trinitized in the divine embrace of the Paradise Deities. Consequently they function as the co-ordinate associates of the Stationary Sons of the Trinity, for the Trinity embrace does seem to precipitate out of the stream of future time many of the unrealized potentials of creature beings. But this is true concerning only that which pertains to the present universe age.

22:4.6 (247.5) This group of sons is chiefly, but not wholly, concerned with the services of the ascendant career of the time-space mortals. If the viewpoint of a mortal creature is ever in doubt, the question is settled by appeal to an ascendant commission consisting of a Mighty Messenger, One High in Authority, and One without Name and Number.

22:4.7 (247.6) You mortals who read this message may yourselves ascend to Paradise, attain the Trinity embrace, and in remote future ages be attached to the service of the Ancients of Days in one of the seven superuniverses, and sometime be assigned to enlarge the revelation of truth to some evolving inhabited planet, even as I am now functioning on Urantia.

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Thank you, Bradly, for the exciting UB quotes you cited.

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We ascendent mortals from time have important work to do once we complete the Havona adventure and education. We can be mustered into the Corps of Finality or volunteer for other assignments prior to that eventual mustering. In most cases we leave Havona back to the universes of time to help with the long evolutionary perfecting process of the realization of potentials...which results in new and greater potential for further realization in time.


Yes, it is mentioned that as finaliters we acquire a better understanding of the Supreme by actually serving in all 7 superuniverses.

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31:0.10 (345.10) During the present universe age the finaliters return to serve in the universes of time. They are assigned to labor successively in the different superuniverses and never in their native superuniverses until after they have served in all the other six supercreations. Thus may they acquire the sevenfold concept of the Supreme Being.

But then, the following quote imply that we still spend significant time in the central universe:

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14:6.39 (163.1) Paradise is the home, and Havona the workshop and playground, of the finaliters. And every God-knowing mortal craves to be a finaliter.


The words "home, "workshop" and "playground" are also reminiscent of leisure, free time, rest and vacations so perhaps we might spend most of our periods of rest in the central universe.

Here is an interesting quote that might shed some light regarding our individual careers:

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47:8.5 (538.3) Immediately upon the confirmation of Adjuster fusion the new morontia being is introduced to his fellows for the first time by his new name and is granted the forty days of spiritual retirement from all routine activities wherein to commune with himself and to choose some one of the optional routes to Havona and to select from the differential techniques of Paradise attainment.


I wonder what these techniques of Paradise attainment might be. I suppose the mortal, now fused with the Though Adjuster, having acquired perfection of purpose can now together better decide for their future path to Paradise based on inclinations, perhaps future insights of the Thought Adjuster etc. There is another quote which I cannot seem to find that I think informs us that we do not have absolute liberty regarding the path we may choose to take, but we are to follow the path that best suits our potentials...

fanofVan wrote:
22:4.7 (247.6) You mortals who read this message may yourselves ascend to Paradise, attain the Trinity embrace, and in remote future ages be attached to the service of the Ancients of Days in one of the seven superuniverses, and sometime be assigned to enlarge the revelation of truth to some evolving inhabited planet, even as I am now functioning on Urantia.


What a glorious prospect! I know that one does not choose to become Trinity-embraced, but if I were to do so, I wouldn't know which path to follow: that of the Finaliter or the Trinitized Son of Attainment.

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31:0.11 (345.11) One or more companies of the mortal finaliters are constantly in service on Urantia. There is no domain of universe service to which they are not assigned; they function universally and with alternating and equal periods of assigned duty and free service.

31:0.12 (345.12) We have no idea as to the nature of the future organization of this extraordinary group, but the finaliters are now wholly a self-governing body. They choose their own permanent, periodic, and assignment leaders and directors. No outside influence can ever be brought to bear upon their policies, and their oath of allegiance is only to the Paradise Trinity.

31:0.13 (346.1) The finaliters maintain their own headquarters on Paradise, in the superuniverses, in the local universes, and on all the divisional capitals. They are a separate order of evolutionary creation. We do not directly manage them or control them, and yet they are absolutely loyal and always co-operative with all our plans. They are indeed the accumulating tried and true souls of time and space—the evolutionary salt of the universe—and they are forever proof against evil and secure against sin.


Alexandros


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