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Re: A Small Leap of Faith

Fri May 15, 2020 11:49 am +0000

118:3.2 Things are time conditioned, but truth is timeless. The more truth you know, the more truth you are, the more of the past you can understand and of the future you can comprehend.

Gravity is the attraction or pull that an electronic system or mass has on the puissant emergent energy (PEE) field that fills the content of space.
Gravity is a push because the atoms of our body are pulling and feeding from a source of PEE that is moving toward earth. That interaction pushes our atoms toward earth.

Science, from the beginning with Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation, has made the wrong assumption that every particle attracts every other particle. Science cannot explain this mysterious attraction or pull that one mass has for another mass. Even Einstein made the same wrong assumption. Every mass in the universe does not attract every other mass in the universe. For example, galaxies do not attract each other. They are drifting or being pushed around inside of a puissant emergent energy field (PEE). They may be moving toward each other and eventually collide, but it is not because of some mysterious attraction. They are guided by the flows within the PEE. There are galaxy clusters moving through the cosmos at tremendous speed. Think of whirl pools in a lake, drifting around pulling in lake water. If one whirl pool drifts to close to another and they begin to pull water from the same area of the lake, they will attract each other because of their mutual pull on the same lake water and eventually merge into one. They would have no attraction, one for the other, when separated by neutral water. If you think of the big bang in slow motion, where the first fraction of a second took billions of years to unfold, you can then define the singularity of energy as the PEE field. All of the heat that is created by the electronic organization of matter (atomic creation) is contained within an ocean of PEE. The absence of heat in this powerful ocean of energy has made it hard to detect directly. So, that brings us back to the Small Leap of Faith we have to make to really understand gravity. When this new definition of gravity interfaces with the Standard Model and creation is seen as a slow motion big bang where PEE is slowing down and collapsing into atomic activity the Theory of Everything will come into clear focus. In the beginning it is gravitational collapse that creates mass. Once the atomic match is lit, the pull on PEE by the atomic fire is incessant.

regards, gray

Re: A Small Leap of Faith

Mon May 18, 2020 5:10 am +0000

graybear13 wrote:
graybear13 wrote:"They are guided by the flows within the PEE (Puissant Emergent Energy)"

Indeed they are! And I expect that this applies especially to the major sectors of a superuniverse. From 15:3.4,
UB 15:3.4 wrote:"If you could look upon the superuniverse of Orvonton from a position far-distant in space, you would immediately recognize the ten major sectors of the seventh galaxy." (15:3.4)

Recall that the UB authors use the word "galaxy" as a collective noun, as in "galaxy of gods" (98:3.2), or "galaxy of creature and Creator personalities" (32:4.2).

So here, I read "the seventh galaxy of major sector spirals". For those who wonder how this might work, the current draft version [of the final video in that cosmology series I linked earlier] has an animation showing how these major sector spirals of stars are "guided by the flows within the PEE".

From pages pages 57-58 in this script,
script for video part 4D wrote:[Page 57]
"Think how ice is less dense than water; how icebergs -- enormous "mountains of ice" -- float, and get carried along by ocean currents.

Now think of these spirals of stars -- these disks of gravita -- as icebergs in a flow. A vast, superfluid flow, not of water, but of emergent ultimata.

So these visible galaxies -- these "iceberg spirals" -- will naturally "go with the flow", carried around Uversa not just by gravity, by also by ancient, "force-organized" flows.

Now, if we float this whole system in a cyclone of segregata ("pure energy"), then what we have here is a completely unexpected...

[Page 58]
... distribution of energy and mass.

And thus gravitational action; and response.

Within such enormous, energy-dense flows, these little spirals of stars would get carried along… like so much fluff.

The thing is, this sort of story fits right in with mainstream speculation: what we have here are spirals of stars, evolving in dark, superfluid disks, nested in halos of some mysterious, invisible condensate.

Which is exactly the sort of thing cosmologists (right now!) are discussing at their conferences.

So this sort of "gravitational action" on "invisible mass" is not so controversial. The real issues here are organization, and time.

Even with Paradise Architects, and Force Organizers pulling the strings, it would take a long, long time to evolve a structure like this.

PS: graybear13, with regard to "gravity", have you thought through the very different causes of the two very different types of gravity the UB reveals?

Thanks for the provocation!

Re: A Small Leap of Faith

Wed May 20, 2020 11:20 pm +0000

nnunn wrote:PS: graybear13, with regard to "gravity", have you thought through the very different causes of the two very different types of gravity the UB reveals?

Thanks for the provocation!

Hi Nigel,

I don't mean to be provocative. I respect your work and I think the video's are well done and very necessary. Thank you!

Yes I have deeply pondered the two, separate and distinct, gravity forces for many years. My main focus over the years, since around 1982, has been lonear gravity and how it could possibly be affected by vortexes in the atmosphere.

2. Emergent energy embraces those energies which are responsive to Paradise gravity but are as yet unresponsive to local or linear gravity. This is the pre-electronic level of energy-matter.

In my view paradise gravity, for all intents and purposes, is a constant. It creates and controls absoluta, segregata, ultimata and huddling ultimatons and is beyond the ability of anything of atomic space time to affect, including us. In one of your video's you show how everything flows from absoluta toward huddling ultimatons and how science looks at what comes after huddling ultimatons backward in time. This has to change, if we are to move forward.

In the "region of interest" where huddling ultimatons begin to increase in density, linear gravity is born. As linear gravity increases, mass increases. Then mesotron enhances the power of condensation.

42:8.4 ...As atoms are constituted, neither electric nor gravitational forces could hold the nucleus together. The integrity of the nucleus is maintained by the reciprocal cohering function of the mesotron, which is able to hold charged...

When the power of collapse becomes powerful enough, atomic ignition happens and protons and neutrons begin their dance on the nucleus of an atom. When the nucleus lights up it emits a lot of energy, moving away from the nucleus and against the mesotronic collapse. This has to set up some conflicts within the collapsing mesotronic spheres. These conflicts are leptons, Quarks and all of the members of the particle zoo that exists within the atom.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Einstein

Could this projection of ultimatons out and away from the nucleus be the positive charge? And likewise could the collapse and condensation of ultimatons into mesotron be the negative charge?

Newtons Law of Universal Gravitation is a scientific law. Scientific laws are statements, developed from data that can be further developed, therefore
they are not timeless. When I look at your superfluid halo collapsing into a galaxy and all of it's stars, I feel the power of linear gravity and mesotronic collapse. It is the same with an atom.

Linear gravity is something that is certainly within our power to overcome beyond the wheel, the wing and jet propulsion. I posit that an EF5 tornado flipped upside down and aimed up, would shield the incoming linear gravity and reduce the linear gravity push on any mass under it.


Re: A Small Leap of Faith

Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:53 am +0000

It is because scientists do not understand linear gravity that they cannot understand the process of a dying star (normal star to supernova to white dwarf to neutron star to gamma ray burst explosion out of existence).

In my view, a star does not contain an amount of energy that runs out. It is being fed by linear gravity and the mesotronic forces that contain the fire. If the linear gravity weakens thus weakening the mesotron, the fire will go out in a supernova leaving a white dwarf. This will result in an increase in the density of dark matter surrounding the white dwarf. When the mesotron fails the white dwarf becomes a neutron star supported only by linear gravity, again this will result in an increase in the density of dark matter surrounding the neutron star. When the linear gravity fails, the neutron star explodes out of existence in a gamma ray burst of energy out through the linear gravity vortexes and creates a dark island of concentrated dark matter. It is basically creation in reverse.

When a star is born, opposing linear gravity vortexes create the neutron star stage that creates the white dwarf that creates the final gravitational collapse that creates star ignition. Think of a neutron star inside of a white dwarf inside of a normal star. There is no gravitational collapse of a normal star to a white dwarf. There is only dissipation of energy as the fire goes out. There is no gravitational collapse of white dwarf to neutron star, there is only dissipation of energy as mesotron breaks up. When mesotron becomes to weak to hold the neutron star together and the linear gravity fails, energy blows out through the linear gravity vortex tunnels in a gamma ray burst. The failure of linear gravity means the failure of the entire system and the recycling of it's energy.

There is no reason to believe that a dark island is a crushing linear gravity vortex like a black hole.

15:5.11 8. Burned-out Suns. Some of the dark islands of space are burned-out isolated suns, all available space-energy having been emitted. The organized units of matter approximate full condensation, virtual complete consolidation; and it requires ages upon ages for such enormous masses of highly condensed matter to be recharged in the circuits of space and thus to be prepared for new cycles of universe function following a collision or some equally revivifying cosmic happening.

So you can see that the dying star does not create the white dwarf and the neutron star by some mysterious and undefined gravitational collapse, but rather, they where there all along, creating and maintaining the star, only to be revealed and then to disappear into a dark island when the star dies. The particles in a dark island are densely clustered, but not closely enough to reflect light. A dark island is just an island that you cannot see.

regards, gray
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