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So....I've been complaining for days and pages of political opinion posts here by kat....not a mention. Hmmm....

I will continue to object....and counter-point then.


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No human group is likely to succeed in isolating itself from the rest of humanity. But the partial separation of groups of humans might sometimes be absolutely necessary to the destiny of human kind. Witness Andon and Fonta and the Andonites, for example.


Apparently the decision to isolate themselves was evidence of identification with the Father's will, arrived at through the utilization of wisdom. Did the decision have something to do with the ability to recognize the difference between superior and inferior goals, the goal being recognition of the presence of God and his will? The impulse to protect the spiritually superior motive from the inferior must have something to do with value of their decision. Isn't that one of the reasons for quarantine? To isolate the spiritually inferior? As stated in the reference below, isolation is a universe defense mechanism used to safeguard the presence of God in the minds of creatures.

(46.2) 3:1.10 Concerning God’s presence in a planet, system, constellation, or a universe, the degree of such presence in any creational unit is a measure of the degree of the evolving presence of the Supreme Being: It is determined by the en masse recognition of God and loyalty to him on the part of the vast universe organization, running down to the systems and planets themselves. Therefore it is sometimes with the hope of conserving and safeguarding these phases of God’s precious presence that, when some planets (or even systems) have plunged far into spiritual darkness, they are in a certain sense quarantined, or partially isolated from intercourse with the larger units of creation. And all this, as it operates on Urantia, is a spiritually defensive reaction of the majority of the worlds to save themselves, as far as possible, from suffering the isolating consequences of the alienating acts of a headstrong, wicked, and rebellious minority.


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Has this thread reached a conclusion?



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I'd say that sovereignty can extend into the spiritual, in both the personal and planetary sense. Isn't it both secular and administrative and in addition ultimately extending into the Supreme Being's realm of activity?

Granted, we typically talk about sovereignty applying to the secular realm of creatures. But as those creature's activities and loyalties extend to commingle with creators, don't the creators become part and parcel of the sovereignty?

Don't the terms "power-personality mobilization", "power-personality manifestation" and "power-personality synthesis" describe what is occurring that has a bearing on sovereignty in personal, non-personal, physical, morontial and spiritual realms?

0:7:10 (11.4) All time-space finite reality, under the directive urge of the evolving Supreme Being, is engaged in an ever-ascending mobilization and perfecting unification ( power-personality synthesis) of all phases and values of finite reality, in association with varied phases of Paradise reality, to the end and for the purpose of subsequently embarking upon the attempt to reach absonite levels of supercreature attainment.

56:6:3 (641.4) The material-minded creatures of the evolutionary worlds of the seven superuniverses can comprehend Deity unity only as it is evolving in this power-personality synthesis of the Supreme Being. ... Deity, having been thus grasped as unified in power, can then be personalized in spirit to creature understanding and attainment.

106:5:2 (1167.3) While this presentation deals primarily with the personal phases of the unification of the cosmos, it is nonetheless true that the impersonal aspects of the universe of universes are likewise destined to undergo unification as is illustrated by the power-personality synthesis now going on in connection with the evolution of the Supreme Being. The spirit-personal qualities of the Supreme are inseparable from the power prerogatives of the Almighty, and both are complemented by the unknown potential of Supreme mind.

21:3:24 (239.6) These primary Paradise Sons are the real revealers of the Father’s loving nature and beneficent authority, the same Father who, in association with the Son and the Spirit, is the universal head of all power, personality, and government throughout all the universal realms.

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Who's in charge of activities and priorities of any associative group of beings? What's the level of authority and autonomy and freedom to group self determination? Isn't sovereignty measured by such issues. In the parable of tribute, Jesus said to render unto Ceasar that which is his and unto God what is God's....so sovereignties overlap and exist some within others and some exclusive of orhers.


Yes. Apparently sovereignty that is held by creatures is increasingly limited the less mature the creatures (as a group) are. Which would seem to be a very wise precaution on the part of the gods :smile:

And then if you can remember what Katro discussed, about the search to gain land, that sovereignty is established in the rights of the human individual, the more he is able to make the land he has been given more useful. That is what it is like to grow up, in an entire generation that has been told "Simba, look around you: all that you see is yours." Except in truth the experience in life, the planet and its frequencies, we can identify many layers within the life and culture of the planet. It is not just a matter of perception, noticing positive or negative based on your mood, rather the progress or detriment of the life in the planet can be felt deeply by every soul, whether you see this as part of your relationship to the physical universe, or (administratively) towards the seraphic planetary government/Machiventa Melchizedek.

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