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The psychiatrists who receive doctorate from university and operate within the legal environment of perscriptions, do not have the same concept of medicine as Native American Warrior, who accepts that "medicine" is not something necessarily physical at all. Indeed, medicine is more of an attitude or psychological outlook, where one is required to serve the entire tribe in order to maintain the healthy status of mind. Such psychiatrists are only part of an institution, and the legal encumbrances of their work make it almost impossible to be self-directed individuals like Carl Jung or Sigmund Freud, the original psychiatrists in my opinion. When I entered the psych ward, and you can say this sounds too arrogant, I literally entered as a patient, but perceptually I was the Psychiatrist, the O'Hoponopono Shaman, in the comedy of the institution, that the employees in such a facility do not even know better what is right for each individual, that moral outcomes are not logically valid according to human expectations, and even the highest officials the greatest experts often do not realise "when they have their own psychiatric needs", do not recognise the kinship mutual dependency between Shaman or Therapist, and the Client.

My experience with one official psychiatrist Matteo from NY was enough to make me doubt the practice of all psychiatrists in NY. I was first sent to a hospital observation, and my status was "set to be released" until my mom called him and told him a few things, and my stay was extended indefinetly. And then this Matteo would meet with me for 10 minutes every day, and he had paperwork, and he explained to me that over the 15 days, he was methodically "downgrading my emotional status" in the documents, in order to prepare a case to the judge. You can see how in a situation like that, my own testimony was stigmatized to the extend that County Judge, without the same knowledge of medication and human behavioural responses, would have to trust the opinion of the doctor, even when such doctor is trembling and shaking while giving testimony on the stand. Those laws are tough, and become tougher every year because brilliant lawyers are hired by global corporations, to argue before the Hague, that such policies as are found in the state of New York should be extended even in India and Japan. And to accept such laws is, to me, like choosing a subnormal standard of liberty. If you have a child who is mentally retarded, you do thinks like regular meal schedule and go to the ball game, just to help that one maintain psychological health. But such legal framework is quite threatening to me, a regular person, because it represents the chance that society en masse could decide to "intellectually cripple" me, to impose impossible standards of moral conduct to those who do know better.

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Found some common ground here.
Having psych ward experience as result of wartime experience I believe I am better off dealing with nightmares, antisocial anxiety, crowd anxiety, anger management, memories that won’t go away etc etc for what they are as opposed to mind numbing, soul suppressing, ambition killing and degenerative to the vegetative state so called treatment rehabilitation drugs. Fortunately I wasn’t mandated by assumed authoritarians. Morphine is so much nicer and it works very well but that is not a possibility for us today.
So many rave about the hemp products but for me it makes things much worse. Psych ward fodder.
Restoring pianos works much better but age and arthritis are catching up and I’m still trying to trade my mind for the mind of Jesus. Some guys had it happen as that classic foxhole experience, I missed it not for lack of trying.
But isn’t Freud a pervert? A man obsessed with sex? He’s just another freak imho.
Electroshock therapy has a very unpleasant history of success if memory serves. Painful and short lived but effective.


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Yes, the medicine can be seen as the need to perform acts of labour, simple things yeah like you love "tuning the piano", as the opportunity for a person to do the work of the first source and center. Now I am going to moan about the financing of the VA. I will always remember that Vietnam Veterans not yet ask me for a single dime, ever, and to know the difference between welfare and rations. That is like in George McClellan's biography, about the time he was asked by Lincoln to train the Northern Union, and he arrived at West Point, and found the mallaise of high officials, drooling over their mirth, disorganised, and harbouring attitudes that were not conducive to the military organisation. McClellan was a good surveyor but did not always make good actions on the field of battle; some people say he was lacked courage as a fieldman. But without his service, there would have been no army in existence for Grant to take over.

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Okay. That is a good hope. But with the dreadful issue of a soul suspended from the intellectual life of one's body, I know sometimes occurring from accidental circumstances beyond one's control. Most people cannot make such excuses, being responsible for the mind each has. When I grew up, I had my tennis coach and high school principle implore me, personally approach me, "took me under their wing" to explain to me, how sacrosanct the human body really is, in connection with the spirit of God.

When it comes to delicate geniuses living off the grid and seeking the psychedellic experience in and of itself, human action on a personal level, if not choices, often contribute to injuries of the nervous system. My friend Fox told me about her brother Stephen, who moved onto a commune in Virginia 10 years ago. What happened was that Stephen went to North Dakota went to the Rainbow Festival a while ago, and ended up in a psyche ward for 3 years because he became disoriented. I actually met him once and although he wore a skirt, I had the impression that he still had a cogent mind. Often, it is difficult to sift through what is actually considered brain injury, and acute incidence that reflect traumatic experiences, in the brain of the human individual. The trauma of consequences: because of what can go wrong (like a car accident), or simply how you can be seen by authority, this is what often creates so much fear, that individuals often decide or allow themselves to "go with the flow", and such a peter pan gathering society, the neotribalism, is losing the legal battle how to appropriate "sweat lodge experiences", psychologically rehabilitative retreats, with the new commercial pharmacies, an institution forged in legalese and material medicine, where a person's "Life Alert" technology prompt when it is time to take dose of perscription, with stipulation that the individual must eat and inject medication on fixed cycles. TBH I worry about people a lot, but I am also worried that to dictate perscriptions "does not make people better", that such form of legal regulation is like a "subnormal" institution superimposing its protocols on personal experience or religion, superimposing habits that the human individual knows are not helping the mind on an ultimate level, "which he finds distasteful", and if a person actually knows better, still confronted with social pressure to appease the regulatory environments.

When I was in a psych ward myself, I was stuck in there because of my honesty. The treatment team would not release me until I told them "realistic goals for progress", so my aunts and parents told me, that I should forge a narrative because if I showed it to them they would assume that I am normal healthy, and then the treatment team of the psych ward would release me back into the community. But also, I was encumbered by a legal battle, an ultimatum that drugs would be injected into my body system via court order. This was a type of chemical that literally gave me tardive dyskinesia and inhibited my overall nervous system. Essentially, the purpose of the drug I was injected was not to facilitate my mind function but actually to be shut down so that I am not a risk to society. So when I was out on my own, I still had this order from the state of NY, to take my medication, but the truth is I could not will my hand to put such a substance into my own mouth (this is the actual private narrative I created) and I lied to my dad for three months because he was the one who checking to take it every day. It seemed like I had more truth, even scientific truth from socialisation growing up in Catholic environment, than as an actual prisoner in the psych ward, an well-regulated environment, totally isolated within society. That place was so strange to me because for instance the educational wing was called "the Mall" because experts believed that clients liked shopping malls better than schools, would be more willing to go to a mall to receive education than a school or a classroom haha.


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The psychiatrists who receive doctorate from university and operate within the legal environment of perscriptions, do not have the same concept of medicine as Native American Warrior, who accepts that "medicine" is not something necessarily physical at all. Indeed, medicine is more of an attitude or psychological outlook, where one is required to serve the entire tribe in order to maintain the healthy status of mind. Such psychiatrists are only part of an institution, and the legal encumbrances of their work make it almost impossible to be self-directed individuals like Carl Jung or Sigmund Freud, the original psychiatrists in my opinion. When I entered the psych ward, and you can say this sounds too arrogant, I literally entered as a patient, but perceptually I was the Psychiatrist, the O'Hoponopono Shaman, in the comedy of the institution, that the employees in such a facility do not even know better what is right for each individual, that moral outcomes are not logically valid according to human expectations, and even the highest officials the greatest experts often do not realise "when they have their own psychiatric needs", do not recognise the kinship mutual dependency between Shaman or Therapist, and the Client.

My experience with one official psychiatrist Matteo from NY was enough to make me doubt the practice of all psychiatrists in NY. I was first sent to a hospital observation, and my status was "set to be released" until my mom called him and told him a few things, and my stay was extended indefinetly. And then this Matteo would meet with me for 10 minutes every day, and he had paperwork, and he explained to me that over the 15 days, he was methodically "downgrading my emotional status" in the documents, in order to prepare a case to the judge. You can see how in a situation like that, my own testimony was stigmatized to the extend that County Judge, without the same knowledge of medication and human behavioural responses, would have to trust the opinion of the doctor, even when such doctor is trembling and shaking while giving testimony on the stand. Those laws are tough, and become tougher every year because brilliant lawyers are hired by global corporations, to argue before the Hague, that such policies as are found in the state of New York should be extended even in India and Japan. And to accept such laws is, to me, like choosing a subnormal standard of liberty. If you have a child who is mentally retarded, you do thinks like regular meal schedule and go to the ball game, just to help that one maintain psychological health. But such legal framework is quite threatening to me, a regular person, because it represents the chance that society en masse could decide to "intellectually cripple" me, to impose impossible standards of moral conduct to those who do know better.


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Yes, the medicine can be seen as the need to perform acts of labour, simple things yeah like you love "tuning the piano", as the opportunity for a person to do the work of the first source and center. Now I am going to moan about the financing of the VA. I will always remember that Vietnam Veterans not yet ask me for a single dime, ever, and to know the difference between welfare and rations. That is like in George McClellan's biography, about the time he was asked by Lincoln to train the Northern Union, and he arrived at West Point, and found the mallaise of high officials, drooling over their mirth, disorganised, and harbouring attitudes that were not conducive to the military organisation. McClellan was a good surveyor but did not always make good actions on the field of battle; some people say he was lacked courage as a fieldman. But without his service, there would have been no army in existence for Grant to take over.


I look forward to some connection to the UB. Not getting it.


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