Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:14 am +0000
katroofjebus wrote:brooklyn_born wrote:Ascending mortals on the first and second mansion are yet fused with their TA. Fusion occurs in the last two mansions, in general. But interestingly there are cases where fusion is delayed post mansion world sojourn.
I'm sorry, but the definition of an ascending mortal is a fused mortal.
Those mortals on the lower mansion worlds who HAVE NOT fused with their Thought Adjusters are called faith-sons.
Okay, so perhaps this is a minor point but it is critical to understand that no matter when or where fusion occurs, it is for ETERNITY. And it is ONLY upon fusion that you can refer to any personality as ASCENDING.
Moreover, Thought Adjusters do not abandon the souls of faith-sons because of sin. It's iniquity that causes soul death and the resultant departure of the Adjuster. Joining a rebellion may be a sin, but it is not necessarily iniquity. Here's the definition of iniquity for convenience:
(1660.4) 148:4.5 Iniquity is the willful, determined, and persistent transgression of the divine law, the Father's will. Iniquity is the measure of the continued rejection of the Father's loving plan of personality survival and the Sons' merciful ministry of salvation.
I cannot recall reading anywhere that all of the un-fused mortals, the faith-sons, of the lower mansion worlds, or any of them for that matter, rejected survival. I cannot recall reading anywhere that any of them are now on the prison worlds either. If you have such a reference, one without inference, please share it.
And, it seems to me that unless the souls of faith-sons are dead, meaning they already annihilated themselves, their Thought Adjusters are still with them regardless of where they are, even on prison worlds. The Thought Adjusters go through all of our vicissitudes with us, including evil and sin.
(1193.1) 108:6.2 No matter what the previous status of the inhabitants of a world, subsequent to the bestowal of a divine Son and after the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth upon all humans, the Adjusters flock to such a world to indwell the minds of all normal will creatures. Following the completion of the mission of a Paradise bestowal Son, these Monitors truly become the “kingdom of heaven within you.” Through the bestowal of the divine gifts the Father makes the closest possible approach to sin and evil, for it is literally true that the Adjuster must coexist in the mortal mind even in the very midst of human unrighteousness. The indwelling Adjusters are particularly tormented by those thoughts which are purely sordid and selfish; they are distressed by irreverence for that which is beautiful and divine, and they are virtually thwarted in their work by many of man’s foolish animal fears and childish anxieties.
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:38 am +0000
katroofjebus wrote:But to your point, I think the authors sometimes use the word "ascendant" in a more general way. I also think they refer to Son-fused and Spirit-fused mortals as ascending sons in addition to other celestials who enter into the ascension scheme.
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:21 am +0000
katroofjebus wrote:I think this is the reference you cited:
(608.6) 53:7.10 The ascending mortals were vulnerable, but they withstood the sophistries of rebellion better than the lower spirits. While many on the lower mansion worlds, those who had not attained final fusion with their Adjusters, fell, it is recorded to the glory of the wisdom of the ascension scheme that not a single member of the Satania ascendant citizenship resident on Jerusem participated in the Lucifer rebellion.
Those ascendant citizens, by definition, are fused citizens. The non-fused mortals who come up through the ascension scheme to Jerusem are given only provisional citizenship. So I think the above reference concerns fused mortals who did not fall, as opposed to the non-fused mortals on the lower mansion worlds just beginning the ascension scheme, who did fall.
But more to the point. I want to stress that Adjusters do not abandon a personality because of sin. Those mortals on the lower mansion worlds who fell would not lose their Adjusters unless their souls died from ongoing iniquity. Such an event would require a judgment procedure prior to annihilation. Moreover, if you have a reference to the fact that these fallen mortals never accepted mercy and are imprisoned somewhere, I'd be happy if you would share it. I cannot recall reading such, but my recall is not perfect. On the other hand, if you're tired of this topic, I'm happy to move on.
67:4.7 (758.5) The vast majority of all human and superhuman beings who were victims of the Lucifer rebellion on Jerusem and the various misled planets have long since heartily repented of their folly; and we truly believe that all such sincere penitents will in some manner be rehabilitated and restored to some phase of universe service when the Ancients of Days finally complete the adjudication of the affairs of the Satania rebellion, which they have so recently begun.
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:26 am +0000
fanofVan wrote:Yes, clarity here is critical. Adjusters do not abandon mortals due to criminal acts or sin. Indeed do they often select mortals with little or no chance of fusion for the experiential gains available. Neither can they predict future behaviors, choices, or outcomes of their hosts.
Last year BB claimed here there were Adjusterless souls roaming about who became controlled by evil spirits in the morontial levels.
The Adjusters leave mortals only upon the death of soul or body or mind or temporarily detach during normal sleep. The death of mind or body is also temporary, until the slumber of survival is over and we (our soul and new body) awaken in Mansonia. The idea that we can lose our TA due to sin and then gain another by repentance is a belief and claim without support in the UB...and Pentecost offers no mortal any particular opportunities in that or any regard of forgiveness or repentance or spiritual progress.
There are no mind invasions by angels or evil spirits or rebels or midwayers and we are not abandoned by our faithful God fragments who are the only being which mau "invade" the mind but even they may not violate our free will which lasts forever, no matter how spiritual we become.
The text is quite clear, specific, and redundant on these facts of reality as presented in the Papers.