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Apparently neither of these two types of wisdom exhausts all the potentials of possible wisdom however.

In Urantia speak, the former is existential, the latter potential.

I get my ideas from 104.3 to 105. Take a good look at the seven-fold self-differentiation of the monistic I AM.


kind of off-topic though. well actually somehow related as we will see


Perfecting experiential wisdom is far more than potential. It is also realized and actualized reality itself, in the each and by the all, as well as in Deity too in the Supreme....which is both the effect of experiential choices and the cause of new potentials yet to be realized. A never ending cycle of self perpetuation which potential alone cannot generate or derive value from. The God of experiential wisdom and power is far more actualized than potential I think...and cause as well as effect.

Still looking forward to some degree of connection to the topic here of the "adjutants and the soul".


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fanofVan wrote:
The God of experiential wisdom and power is far more actualized than potential I think...and cause as well as effect.


Is that true? Can there ever be more actual than potential? Doesn't the Universal Absolute maintain balance between the two?


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katroofjebus wrote:
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The God of experiential wisdom and power is far more actualized than potential I think...and cause as well as effect.


Is that true? Can there ever be more actual than potential? Doesn't the Universal Absolute maintain balance between the two?


Well...interesting question. The primary point was that experiential wisdom is more than potential...far more. I agree that eternal potential may always exceed realized potential... however, what about the Supreme? When this era of this time and space achieves light and life, will the Supreme be completed then? Interesting question.


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When this era of this time and space achieves light and life, will the Supreme be completed then?


Curiosity naturally asks, does final emergence of the Supreme mean the end of potentiality?


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katroofjebus wrote:
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When this era of this time and space achieves light and life, will the Supreme be completed then?

Curiosity naturally asks, does final emergence of the Supreme mean the end of potentiality?

What a great opportunity to sneak in one of my favorite paragraphs:

UB 106:7.8 wrote:
(1170.1, 106:7.8) "At the inconceivably distant future eternity moment of the final completion of the entire master universe, no doubt we will all look back upon its entire history as only the beginning, simply the creation of certain finite and transcendental foundations for even greater and more enthralling metamorphoses in uncharted infinity. At such a future eternity moment the master universe will still seem youthful; indeed, it will be always young in the face of the limitless possibilities of never-ending eternity."

The entire master universe age as an "eternity moment", "simply the creation of certain finite and transcendental foundations"... for unfathomable personal opportunity.

Regarding the actualization of potentials, since the technique of time lasts only a fleeting moment in that "eternity moment" mentioned above, I like to think of "time-dependent" transactions and achievements as special. And notice that this issue -- of "how what happens when" comes up in each of the four domains that sit on the four absolute Sources and Centers (Father, Son, Spirit, Paradise). Recall 15:0.1:

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(164.1, 15:0.1) "AS FAR as the Universal Father is concerned -- as a Father -- the universes are virtually nonexistent; ... "

What does the Father see when he looks at reality? As "First Source and Center" (of everything), he sees everything. But when looking in that absolutely qualified sense -- as a Father, the father of personalities -- does Reality look different? And what about absonite persons looking at the finite... can they even see it, as it unfolds in this miraculous, time-dependent way?

Once discovered and recognized (196:3.10), the issue of interpreting "the actualization of potentials" (in a Urantia Book frame), will surely keep human philosophers, scientists and poets animated, if not agitated O:)

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katroofjebus wrote:
Curiosity naturally asks, does final emergence of the Supreme mean the end of potentiality?


Interesting points Nigel. If I remember correctly, after the emergence and completion of The Supreme the next phase is the emergence of the The Ultimate. After that is the emergence of The Absolute. There is an intriguing punchline that the revelators express that has to do with the eventual completion of The Absolute that I'll leave you to read and ponder.

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118:2.5 (1297.1) The mortal mind may ask, even as we do: If the evolution of God the Supreme to administrative authority in the grand universe is attended by augmented manifestations of God the Ultimate, will a corresponding emergence of God the Ultimate in the postulated universes of outer space be attended by similar and enhanced revelations of God the Absolute? But we really do not know.


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118:2.2 (1296.4) As mortal and morontia ascenders you progressively discern God through the ministry of God the Sevenfold. Through Havona you discover God the Supreme. On Paradise you find him as a person, and then as finaliters you will presently attempt to know him as Ultimate. Being finaliters, there would seem to be but one course to pursue after having attained the Ultimate, and that would be to begin the quest of the Absolute. No finaliter will be disturbed by the uncertainties of the attainment of the Deity Absolute since at the end of the supreme and ultimate ascensions he encountered God the Father. Such finaliters will no doubt believe that, even if they should be successful in finding God the Absolute, they would only be discovering...


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katroofjebus wrote:
Curiosity naturally asks, does final emergence of the Supreme mean the end of potentiality?


Your way of questioning indicates you know little about time-transcendence and space-transcendence.

After supreme, comes Transcendence, antecedently. You will not understand what it means by "antecedently" unless you understand transcendence.

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106:0.2 (1162.2) The present grand universe and the emerging master universe are made up of many forms and phases of reality which, in turn, are existent on several levels of functional activity. These manifold existents and latents have been previously suggested in these papers, and they are now grouped for conceptual convenience in the following categories:

106:0.3 (1162.3) 1. Incomplete finites. This is the present status of the ascending creatures of the grand universe, the present status of Urantia mortals. This level embraces creature existence from the planetary human up to, but not including, destiny attainers. It pertains to universes from early physical beginnings up to, but not including, settlement in light and life. This level constitutes the present periphery of creative activity in time and space. It appears to be moving outward from Paradise, for the closing of the present universe age, which will witness the grand universe attainment of light and life, will also and surely witness the appearance of some new order of developmental growth in the first outer space level.

106:0.4 (1162.4) 2. Maximum finites. This is the present status of all experiential creatures who have attained destiny — destiny as revealed within the scope of the present universe age. Even universes can attain to the maximum of status, both spiritually and physically. But the term “maximum” is itself a relative term — maximum in relation to what? And that which is maximum, seemingly final, in the present universe age may be no more than a real beginning in terms of the ages to come. Some phases of Havona appear to be on the maximum order.

106:0.5 (1162.5) 3. Transcendentals. This superfinite level (antecedently) follows finite progression. It implies the prefinite genesis of finite beginnings and the postfinite significance of all apparent finite endings or destinies. Much of Paradise-Havona appears to be on the transcendental order.

106:0.6 (1162.6) 4. Ultimates. This level encompasses that which is of master universe significance and impinges on the destiny level of the completed master universe. Paradise-Havona (especially the circuit of the Father’s worlds) is in many respects of ultimate significance.

106:0.7 (1163.1) 5. Coabsolutes. This level implies the projection of experientials upon a supermaster universe field of creative expression.

106:0.8 (1163.2) 6. Absolutes. This level connotes the eternity presence of the seven existential Absolutes. It may also involve some degree of associative experiential attainment, but if so, we do not understand how, perhaps through the contact potential of personality.

106:0.9 (1163.3) 7. Infinity. This level is pre-existential and postexperiential. Unqualified unity of infinity is a hypothetical reality before all beginnings and after all destinies.


The word symbol "Supremes" does not even show up in the entire quote. But it is done almost as if on purpose. Those who truly understand Supreme will instantly equate "Maximum finites" with "Supremes". Those who do not will not register understanding or appreciation.

It will be hardly fruitful if you guys keep on speculating.

You should start with the concept of time-space. It will be very helpful if you come to see that those who create computer simulations are actually creating time-spaces. Then you can contemplate how the created time or space can be transcended, and get a sense of what it feels like playing god and acting as an absolute.

From now on, please stay on topic. Or you may go on in a different thread. Thanks

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I thought the topic was "adjutants and the soul, significance of adjutant mind"????

It seems we, including and led by you, have already changed topics?

Perhaps we really should consider my dog's mind...or adjutant mind...before we get to Paper 105 which has little or nothing to do with adjutants and the soul? Very circuitous and curious formatting so far....


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fanofVan wrote:
I thought the topic was "adjutants and the soul, significance of adjutant mind"????


Shouldn't the Supreme be included in such a topic? If the Supreme is involved in the actualization of finite potentials, then certainly both the adjutants and the soul would be involved in such an undertaking?


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Everyone's speculations and discussion so far are claimed to be off-topic by supermath. I am wondering if the topic title ever had anything to actually do with supermath's purposes here...

We shall see....


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