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Makalu wrote: hmm well the term metaphysics in the papers is not the same as the dictionary definition. metaphysics and revelation are essentially the same thing in the papers, both attempts to unify matter and spirit and both fall short...both more or less erroneous, but useful and serviceable scaffolding upon which higher conceptual frames can be formed. never forget that all this scaffolding will be torn down, all except personality and personality relationships and not until the third mansion world will we be capable of true metaphysics.
Please explain the differences you perceive between the dictionary definition and the UB definition/usage. I find them precisely compatible myself...indeed I would say they are identical in form, substance, function, and meaning! And I would also offer a different opinion than your statement that metaphysics and personal or epochal revelation is the "same" or essentially the same thing. Not at all.
103:6.8 Metaphysics has proved a failure; mota, man cannot perceive. Revelation is the only technique which can compensate for the absence of the truth sensitivity of mota in a material world. Revelation authoritatively clarifies the muddle of reason-developed metaphysics on an evolutionary sphere.
103:6.12 Out of his incomplete grasp of science, his faint hold upon religion, and his abortive attempts at metaphysics, man has attempted to construct his formulations of philosophy. And modern man would indeed build a worthy and engaging philosophy of himself and his universe were it not for the breakdown of his all-important and indispensable metaphysical connection between the worlds of matter and spirit, the failure of metaphysics to bridge the morontia gulf between the physical and the spiritual. Mortal man lacks the concept of morontia mind and material; and revelation is the only technique for atoning for this deficiency in the conceptual data which man so urgently needs in order to construct a logical philosophy of the universe and to arrive at a satisfying understanding of his sure and settled place in that universe.
103:6.13 Revelation is evolutionary man's only hope of bridging the morontia gulf. Faith and reason, unaided by mota, cannot conceive and construct a logical universe. Without the insight of mota, mortal man cannot discern goodness, love, and truth in the phenomena of the material world.
103:7.8 The truth—an understanding of cosmic relationships, universe facts, and spiritual values—can best be had through the ministry of the Spirit of Truth and can best be criticized by revelation. But revelation originates neither a science nor a religion; its function is to co-ordinate both science and religion with the truth of reality. Always, in the absence of revelation or in the failure to accept or grasp it, has mortal man resorted to his futile gesture of metaphysics, that being the only human substitute for the revelation of truth or for the mota of morontia personality.
Me here: Both revelation and metaphysics share similar functions in mind....if not attributes or value....but, we are told, metaphysics is a poor substitute...like shoe leather or tree bark instead of steak for example - leather and bark may also be chewed upon but the results are hardly the same as eating the steak!
Also to be considered is the difference between personal revelation and epochal revelation with the added voice of the Spirit of Truth...and the source and functionality of intuition and insight as well. So many issues to explore related to metaphysics.
Once we come to understand the meaning of metaphysics, perhaps we can explore the value metaphysics bring to mind. Remember...the mind is created to understand the why and how of all things. We are intensly curious and seek knowledge. These are inherent and more than instinctual...although these attributes are also instinctual! But we never outgrow or are shed of this urge and yearn and drive to know and to understand...it will be with us forever! We are taught the mind, driven by this need to understand, will and does INVENT explanations and beliefs, even beliefs we claim to be facts...false 'facts' and myths and fables and fictions! Humanity depends upon these to function...we must have context and perspective!! Even if we must invent both!
This is the topic I aim for....eventually. But first let us resolve the issue of definition to then approach the deeper and more interesting topic of how persons as individuals and collectively as tribes, nations, cultures, societies, and whole worlds progress from complete the ignorance and fantasy of total subjectivity to the sublime objectivity of reality!! The UB provides us a fascinating glimpse of how mortals and humanity can progress in the Spirit and by material experiential wisdom through all levels of partial knowledge and understanding to ever more complete levels of those over time.
Especially fascinating, to me, is how total savages and barbarians and the most ignorant of children still progress in religious experience, first by the evolutionary and faith methods to give birth to soul, and then by the personal revelatory relationship and experience with the God Fragment within, which can overcome all fictions and false beliefs to yield a soul destined for eternal life!! What a fantastic story to consider!!
14:5.7 (159.3) Not until you traverse the last of the Havona circuits and visit the last of the Havona worlds, will the tonic of adventure and the stimulus of curiosity disappear from your career. And then will the urge, the forward impulse of eternity, replace its forerunner, the adventure lure of time.
14:5.10 (159.6) Love of adventure, curiosity, and dread of monotony—these traits inherent in evolving human nature—were not put there just to aggravate and annoy you during your short sojourn on earth, but rather to suggest to you that death is only the beginning of an endless career of adventure, an everlasting life of anticipation, an eternal voyage of discovery.
14:5.11 (160.1) Curiosity—the spirit of investigation, the urge of discovery, the drive of exploration—is a part of the inborn and divine endowment of evolutionary space creatures. These natural impulses were not given you merely to be frustrated and repressed. True, these ambitious urges must frequently be restrained during your short life on earth, disappointment must be often experienced, but they are to be fully realized and gloriously gratified during the long ages to come.

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