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Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:08 am +0000
SEla_Kelly wrote:I am heard of this term "metaphysics" from many other cultures? But the Urantia Papers suggest that metaphysics would be borne borne of the Power Directors. Authors Designated an entirely separate subject matter "morontial maturation" to those aspects of mind which pertain to the developing rational functionality of man, within the expanding mind-potential of perception. I don't think you can take the culture and apply what it means according to the URantia Papers - metaphysics as we know metaphysics as a science would have to be entirely reoriented in lieu of central universe and universe reality, before one would begin to explain it.
Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:03 pm +0000
When I say temporary substitutions, perhaps it would also be accurate to say that sometimes metaphysics is part of the scientific method...the part that comes prior to evidence or validation by proofs....that part that is related to theorization, speculation, supposition, and all forms of imagination used to explain that which is currently without explanation.
Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:38 pm +0000
fanofVan wrote:"Remember... there is only one universe reality... there are many different perspectives and subjective experiences of reality....but only one objective reality. Our eternal adventure is designed to reduce the subjective lens and widen the objective lens of reality by both education and experience."
SEla_Kelly wrote:(our metaphysics...) "would have to be entirely reoriented in lieu of central universe and universe reality, before one would begin to explain it."
What can fashionable ideas, blind faith, or pure fantasy possibly have to do with the scientific quest to understand the universe? Surely, theoretical physicists are immune to mere trends, dogmatic beliefs, or flights of fancy? In fact, acclaimed physicist and bestselling author Roger Penrose argues that researchers working at the extreme frontiers of physics are just as susceptible to these forces as anyone else. In this provocative book, he argues that fashion, faith, and fantasy, while sometimes productive and even essential in physics, may be leading today's researchers astray in three of the field's most important areas -- string theory, quantum mechanics, and cosmology.
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SEla_Kelly wrote:You cannot answer the questions of metaphysics without knowing the distribution and ministry of the universe.
"These four circuits are not related to the nether Paradise force center; they are neither force, energy, nor power circuits. They are absolute presence circuits and like God are independent of time and space." (131.9, 12:3.6)
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SEla_Kelly wrote:Why would the actual science of metaphysics be rooted in the actualities and manifestations of Paradise through the cascading Power Directors of the Seven Universes? Of course because, this pertains to the sustenance of God's Creation. Metaphysics and the supersensible is the approach of worthiness to receive the enhanced ministry of the seven adjutant spirits, which is a manifestation of the Divine Minister.
If people actually are seeking "that food and drink which even the Apostles know not of", or as it were described in the Epistles of Paul, they do certainly in accordance with the Spirit of Truth approach that reality which is revealed in ever rarified substances of the mind. How is this sustained in the universe? How does the universe actually "operate and distribute" this supposedly "Kharma"-netting of homeostasis and actions borne of sentient individuals.
You cannot answer the questions of metaphysics without knowing the distribution and ministry of the universe. But, if I can remember correctly, metaphysics was not meant by scientists to exist abstractedly or purely theoretically.
Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:47 am +0000
Makalu wrote:hmm well the term metaphysics in the papers is not the same as the dictionary definition. metaphysics and revelation are essentially the same thing in the papers, both attempts to unify matter and spirit and both fall short...both more or less erroneous, but useful and serviceable scaffolding upon which higher conceptual frames can be formed. never forget that all this scaffolding will be torn down, all except personality and personality relationships and not until the third mansion world will we be capable of true metaphysics.
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no sophist wrote:Here’s a fun stab at metaphysics:
Consider this quote:
2) 39:3.8 5. The Transporters. The fifth group of supervisor seraphim operate as personality transporters, carrying beings to and from the headquarters of the constellations. Such transport seraphim, while in flight from one sphere to another, are fully conscious of their velocity, direction, and astronomic whereabouts. They are not traversing space as would an inanimate projectile. They may pass near one another during space flight without the least danger of collision. They are fully able to vary speed of progression and to alter direction of flight, even to change destinations if their directors should so instruct them at any space junction of the universe intelligence circuits.
That last sentence about varying speed at the behest of their directors. We are told that these transporters travel at about three times light speed so I can assume metaphysically that the speed of communications between angelic transporters and their directors is at least that much?
Anyone want to guess at the maximum speed of communications?
This might be a bit tricky because when transport happens at three times light speed, the beings involved in transport are using energy circuits, superimposed on each other that do not function in our finite material creation because the speed of light sets limits.
Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:51 am +0000
The highest attainable philosophy of mortal man must be logically based on the reason of science, the faith of religion, and the truth insight afforded by revelation. By this union man can compensate somewhat for his failure to develop an adequate metaphysics and for his inability to comprehend the mota
of the morontia.
Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:00 am +0000