pethuel wrote:Before we degenerate into a squabble:
It is not hubris to share the light (however small it may be in each individual) we have in order to help someone else find their way. It is basic human consideration for others. However, to claim that our individual light is the only light that will serve such a purpose is definitely hubris.
It seems to me that huffing and puffing over jots and tittles and semantical shades of meaning of the UB is hubris too.
The less there is of you the more His light shines through. Would you rather be a window or a wall?
I appreciate your perspective and your concerns for peace making here - there is much to be said for avoiding conflict in life and here at TruthBook.
I would, however, offer another perspective about the Revelation, its study, and the potential value or functionality of conflict regarding spiritual progress and greater understanding of the Revelation (or any other text book of knowledge, such as physics, chemistry, anthropology or any discipline concerned with universe realities).
There are those, and they are many, that claim the details about universe realities presented in the UB are less important than the general embrace of an enlarged or expanded perspective of reality. I disagree. The 3rd and 4th Epochals were so short and sweet....There is only one God; God is a loving parent and all beings are family in a friendly universe. Simple. Easy Peasy!!
Now comes the 5th and like the 1st and 2nd, it is detailed and complex and filled with details about universe realities and the interpersonal relationships of all beings, including the Spirits of God, Son, and Holy Spirit to mortal mind and the history of our world and universe, and origins and destiny, and causes and sources of causes and the effects of causes - an elaborate and very detailed presentation of reality. Indeed, I would propose that the 5th is the most detailed and complete presentation of all. Without rebellion and default, the UB would likely only be a primer of knowledge compared to the many text books in the libraries of the Prince and the Garden!! Which of those details, considered important enough to include by the celestials at this time in this volume, are now considered by us mortals as unimportant or frivilous I wonder?
We are told that the more spiritized and spiritualized we become, the more we progress and become transformed, the more we transfer the seat of our identity, the closer we get to Paradise and gain experiential wisdom...then the more true, accurate, and objective does our perspective of reality become. How then is the objective perspective of reality as delivered by the details of universe reality
gifted to us for the very purpose of reducing confusions and eliminating the errors
of prior perspective and understanding now considered by us mortals as unimportant or frivilous I wonder?
To disagree and dispute and encounter conflict in the pursuit of knowledge and education and truth and understanding is hardly evil or sin and should not be unwelcome or shunned....or shamed, for pete's sake. It is perfectly normal, inevitable, and unavoidable really - that is if
learning is the objective!
There are tens of thousands of facts in the UB. All of them relate one to another. In total they present a symphonic and multi-dimensional integration and portrait of universe reality! Which detail, which notes, which instruments, which threads in this tapestry, which dimension is claimed now by us mortals to be unimportant or frivolous I wonder?
This is a classroom. A study group. A gathering of students to explore and discover and discern and perceive new wonders and whole new orders of beings and the being and becoming of personal transformation in a complex universe of systems and relationships previously unknown to humankind!!! Shall we sacrifice accuracy and content and full comprehension of this gift to avoid conflicts, misunderstandings, hurt feelings, disagreements, disputes, and the challenges to any group to actually learn that which is given to reduce confusion and eliminate error?
The UB specifically claims to be gifted us for the very purpose of reducing confusion and eliminating error - the very words of the author to describe the UB's purpose!! So long as confusion and error persist then, by definition, there is more work and study and discovery and understanding to complete!!
So which "jot and tittle" shall we simply ignore and let go as unimportant or trivial??
Truth may be and is very personalized and comes to each in its own order and time in our growth and religious experience. But fact? Reality is reality. Misunderstanding is misunderstanding, not some form of personalized reality - it is unreality. Subjective unreality. Something to be corrected...according to the text. There is only one objective reality!! We are instructed to and destined to become more and more objective in perspective by learning
knowledge of universe realities...this is our life, forevermore! Such a learning experience will include conflict and disagreement and dispute. Reason and logic are actually enhanced and served by conflict, disagreement, dispute, debate, and the need to argue and consider and reconsider and alter one's perspective accordingly.
Otherwise, what's being promoted here is the unconflicted and unchallenged prejudice
and subjective opinion of each is more important than the actual discovery of truth and fact and the gaining of an objective and increasingly accurate view of reality.
A truly puzzling perspective to me. The UB says that prior to Light and Life that all of us will have one language, one religion, and one philosophy of living. This will not happen on Kumbaya Island where conflict avoidance is mission #1. Learning to get along and avoid hostility and anger and malice and revenge is certainly important too - just as important as learning the facts of universe reality, maybe even more so?! But the reduction and management of those does not and will not eliminate dispute, disagreement, arguments, debates, or "squabbles" of understanding...in the pursuit of greater understanding.
It is common in many classrooms to be required to state one's understanding and to support/prove all stated positions with empirical evidence and sourced material and actual logical progressions of reason. If one cannot do this then one has learned nothing except how to form a subjective and unreliable opinion. The authors put a real premium and value on reason and logic and the scientific method....which are unkind to and intolerant of false theories, fables, and subjective opinions related to or contrasted with subjective opinions and the prejudice of ignorance. Shall we avoid conflict to protect and preserve the prejudice of some student's ignorance...the two greatest obstacles to personal growth??!!
Are we gathered here to share subjective opinions and fables and theories of our own construction and invention? Or are we here to study this gift of objective knowledge, fact, and truth of universe reality? If the second, then the first must stand up to comparative analysis to the second and when it conflicts, contradicts, or otherwise fails in comparison to the second, that should be demonstrated and acknowledged.
And such comparative analysis and the pursuit of understanding is the very purpose
of study and students and classrooms.
Otherwise we're all just blowing smoke at one another!! So....do you want to know and understand what the UB says? That's the only reason I am here. My simple tadpole's motto remains: It says what it says and it don't say what it don't!
Or do you want to convince others of your opinions and theories? Or to preach and present fables and theories which contradict the source material we gather here to study together? Or simply avoid conflict no matter how reality is thereby sacrificed upon the altar of so called peace? Pick a lane.
100:4.1 (1097.5) Religious living is devoted living, and devoted living is creative living, original and spontaneous. New religious insights arise out of conflicts which initiate the choosing of new and better reaction habits in the place of older and inferior reaction patterns. New meanings only emerge amid conflict;
and conflict persists only in the face of refusal to espouse the higher values connoted in superior meanings.
100:4.2 (1097.6) Religious perplexities are inevitable
; there can be no growth without psychic conflict and spiritual agitation.
The organization of a philosophic standard of living entails considerable commotion in the philosophic realms of the mind. Loyalties are not exercised in behalf of the great, the good, the true, and the noble without a struggle.
Effort is attendant upon clarification of spiritual vision and enhancement of cosmic insight
. And the human intellect protests against being weaned from subsisting upon the nonspiritual energies of temporal existence. The slothful animal mind rebels at the effort required to wrestle with cosmic problem solving.
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