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Re: Adjutant intellect

Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:05 am +0000

I was curious to remember who is "the Spirit" in 34:5.2. She is of course The Local Universe Mother Spirit. Reading further, I'm a bit surprised at the limitation described below and why that is the case. We aren't given so much more information in that paper. Does anyone have some insights about this?

34:0.2 (374.2) A Creative Spirit reacts to both physical and spiritual realities; so does a Creator Son; and thus are they co-ordinate and associate in the administration of a local universe of time and space.

34:0.3 (374.3) These Daughter Spirits are of the essence of the Infinite Spirit, but they cannot function in the work of physical creation and spiritual ministry simultaneously. In physical creation the Universe Son provides the pattern while the Universe Spirit initiates the materialization of physical realities. The Son operates in the power designs, but the Spirit transforms these energy creations into physical substances. Although it is somewhat difficult to portray this early universe presence of the Infinite Spirit as a person, nevertheless, to the Creator Son the Spirit associate is personal and has always functioned as a distinct individual.

Re: Adjutant intellect

Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:26 pm +0000

Riktare wrote:I was curious to remember who is "the Spirit" in 34:5.2. She is of course The Local Universe Mother Spirit. Reading further, I'm a bit surprised at the limitation described below and why that is the case. We aren't given so much more information in that paper. Does anyone have some insights about this?

34:0.2 (374.2) A Creative Spirit reacts to both physical and spiritual realities; so does a Creator Son; and thus are they co-ordinate and associate in the administration of a local universe of time and space.

34:0.3 (374.3) These Daughter Spirits are of the essence of the Infinite Spirit, but they cannot function in the work of physical creation and spiritual ministry simultaneously. In physical creation the Universe Son provides the pattern while the Universe Spirit initiates the materialization of physical realities. The Son operates in the power designs, but the Spirit transforms these energy creations into physical substances. Although it is somewhat difficult to portray this early universe presence of the Infinite Spirit as a person, nevertheless, to the Creator Son the Spirit associate is personal and has always functioned as a distinct individual.



I think this is just a matter of focus and perhaps energy? The Daughter Spirit is quite powerful in both realms and once the physical creation is originated, attention shifts to the spiritual ministry as described later in the same Paper - see Sections 2 and 3 especially. What limitations do you perceive or ask about?


Prior to the Local Universe creation what spirit ministry is there for the Daughter Spirit? The Local Universe Mother Spirit seems to be fully endowed and empowered for the creation, organization, and ministry of life, mind, and spirit in the local universe. Could you give us more about this limitation you perceive?

34:1.3 (375.2) This is the relation of a stupendous drama in few words, but it represents about all that can be told regarding these momentous transactions. They are instantaneous, inscrutable, and incomprehensible; the secret of the technique and procedure resides in the bosom of the Paradise Trinity. Of only one thing are we certain: The Spirit presence in the local universe during the time of purely physical creation or organization was incompletely differentiated from the spirit of the Paradise Infinite Spirit; whereas, after the reappearance of the supervising Master Spirit from the secret embrace of the Gods and following the flash of spiritual energy, the local universe manifestation of the Infinite Spirit suddenly and completely changes to the personal likeness of that Master Spirit who was in transmuting liaison with the Infinite Spirit. The local universe Mother Spirit thus acquires a personal nature tinged by that of the Master Spirit of the superuniverse of astronomic jurisdiction.

34:1.4 (375.3) This personalized presence of the Infinite Spirit, the Creative Mother Spirit of the local universe, is known in Satania as the Divine Minister. To all practical intents and spiritual purposes this manifestation of Deity is a divine individual, a spirit person. And she is so recognized and regarded by the Creator Son. It is through this localization and personalization of the Third Source and Center in our local universe that the Spirit could subsequently become so fully subject to the Creator Son that of this Son it was truly said, “All power in heaven and on earth has been intrusted to him.”


34:2.2 (375.5) From the earliest association with the Creator Son the Universe Spirit possesses all the physical-control attributes of the Infinite Spirit, including the full endowment of antigravity. Upon the attainment of personal status the Universe Spirit exerts just as full and complete control of mind gravity, in the local universe, as would the Infinite Spirit if personally present.
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