Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:25 am +0000
Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:07 am +0000
brooklyn_born wrote:Revelators tell us the unspiritual personality is "unreal" and eventually experiences "extinction." Is this relative extinction or actual extinction? The papers, as far as I am concerned, do not speak of the extinction of all parts that make up the sum total of who we are. Extinction is, from their point of view, strictly a personality issue or sum total of who we are.
We are a sum total and strive to maintain it. But we are also parts that make up the sum total of who we are. The fact is, there are different aspects to who we are, and they can function in a mutually exclusive way; we are not uniformly constituted, nor ever could we have been built up as such as it does not match up with the original pattern of deity; however, all aspects of who we are can unify or coordinate, and personality serves this purpose.
We are material, mind, Thought Adjuster (higher self); each is superimposed upon the other; each is able to express itself without the assistance of the other. Yet, personality coordinates them.
What happens to mind when personality fails to initiate fusion between it and Thought Adjuster? We are told personality is terminated. But that does not mean mind ceases to exist?
Mind continues on. It is remanded to the material plane by its source, the Third Person of Deity. This event commonly is known as 'reincarnation.'
Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:47 am +0000
2:6.8 (41.6) ...Such a sin-identified mortal would then become wholly unspiritual in nature (and therefore personally unreal) ...
44:0.15 (498.6) ... To us the material world is the more unreal. The higher forms of spirits freely pass through ordinary matter...To material beings the spirit world is more or less unreal; to spirit beings the material world is almost entirely unreal...
Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:57 am +0000
Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:15 am +0000
SEla_Kelly wrote:The issue of extinction in this case is tied to individual soul survivability, not to any form of group extinction discussed in the natural sciences. It means extinction versus survival of the individual human soul. So if you take this theory without negation "personality is imperative for the condition of eternal survival of the human soul." It may make more sense.
42:12.10 (483.10) Even spirit beings have form, and these spirit forms (patterns) are real... [P]ersonality presences in every sense analogous to Urantia mortal bodies.
Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:20 am +0000
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Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:02 am +0000
SEla_Kelly wrote:The extinction of the collective consciousness within a single individual?
Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:26 am +0000
brooklyn_born wrote:SEla_Kelly wrote:The extinction of the collective consciousness within a single individual?
Hmmm... I think I know what you want to say but I am not 100 percent sure of it. So I want to agree with you but with caution. This is what I understand. If personality fails to resurrect or is terminated, we lose "collective consciousness" yet retain an identity. I think it should be noted personality and identity are qualitatively different.
Our identity is the Thought Adjuster, our higher self or highest degree of mind. And because we fail to raise a personality, our TA, after returning to Divinington, is remanded to the material plane, again to indwell a human mind; this is reincarnation, as far as I am concerned.
While it is possible to lose personality, I do not believe it is possible to lose identity.
Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:01 am +0000
103:5.5 (1134.3) Human happiness is achieved only when the ego desire of the self and the altruistic urge of the higher self (divine spirit)
110:2.5 (1205.3) You as a personal creature have mind and will. The Adjuster as a prepersonal creature has premind and prewill. If you so fully conform to the Adjuster’s mind that you see eye to eye, then your minds become one...
112:3.5 (1230.3) After death the material body returns to the elemental world from which it was derived, but two nonmaterial factors of surviving personality persist: ... static formulas of identity...
Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:26 am +0000
Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:53 am +0000
But there is no future lifetime in the Adjuster experience even if there have been passed human lifetime experiences. Because we must reckon with eternity, and the fact that the human individual is the one who expresses the will of the Supreme Being from this relationship the Adjuster within the human tabernacle.
109:7.4 (1201.5) They are the exclusive beings of the universes who embrace within their being all the known relationships of personality; they are omnipersonal—they are before personality, they are personality, and they are after personality. They minister the personality of the Universal Father as in the eternal past, the eternal present, and the eternal future.
Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:00 pm +0000
Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:24 pm +0000
103:5.5 (1134.3) Human happiness is achieved only when the ego desire of the self and the altruistic urge of the higher self (divine spirit) ...
120:3.9 (1330.4) “8. In all other details of your oncoming bestowal we would commit you to the leading of the indwelling Adjuster, the teaching of the ever-present divine spirit of human guidance...
Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:40 pm +0000
brooklyn_born wrote:The divine spirit is your higher self:103:5.5 (1134.3) Human happiness is achieved only when the ego desire of the self and the altruistic urge of the higher self (divine spirit) ...
The above establishes the divine spirit as the higher self. What is the divine spirit?120:3.9 (1330.4) “8. In all other details of your oncoming bestowal we would commit you to the leading of the indwelling Adjuster, the teaching of the ever-present divine spirit of human guidance...
The divine spirit = Adjuster.
Thus one's higher self is the Adjuster.