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I am a soul. I do not understand how you could say God made me that, a soul. God gave me the Thought Adjuster, of much of himself as he could/can I suppose. Without God, I have no grasp of the Paradise Gravity. I think that people whose hearts are pure accumulate the energy sources for many blessings, an interweaving of the adjutant forces to act as an undernetting which holds truly spiritual operants.



MidiChlorian has already explained usage of "bipartate", "tripartate", "unipartate" for you, even identifying the syllabic meanings.



Actually I said: "This gift of our will does, as Jim says, co-create SOUL in this mortal life on this world of origin. We co-create soul with the God Fragment within."



And the UB says:

0:5.10 [Part I]
4. Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to "do the will of the Father in heaven," so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual — it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.

Consider Paper 111 - The Adjuster and the Soul to learn about this extraordinary relationship and co-creation!!

111:1.3 (1216.4) Material mind is the arena in which human personalities live, are self-conscious, make decisions, choose God or forsake him, eternalize or destroy themselves.

111:1.4 (1216.5) Material evolution has provided you a life machine, your body; the Father himself has endowed you with the purest spirit reality known in the universe, your Thought Adjuster. But into your hands, subject to your own decisions, has been given mind, and it is by mind that you live or die. It is within this mind and with this mind that you make those moral decisions which enable you to achieve Adjusterlikeness, and that is Godlikeness.

111:1.5 (1216.6) Mortal mind is a temporary intellect system loaned to human beings for use during a material lifetime, and as they use this mind, they are either accepting or rejecting the potential of eternal existence. Mind is about all you have of universe reality that is subject to your will, and the soul—the morontia self—will faithfully portray the harvest of the temporal decisions which the mortal self is making. Human consciousness rests gently upon the electrochemical mechanism below and delicately touches the spirit-morontia energy system above. Of neither of these two systems is the human being ever completely conscious in his mortal life; therefore must he work in mind, of which he is conscious. And it is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in eternity.

111:1.6 (1217.1) Mind is the cosmic instrument on which the human will can play the discords of destruction, or upon which this same human will can bring forth the exquisite melodies of God identification and consequent eternal survival. The Adjuster bestowed upon man is, in the last analysis, impervious to evil and incapable of sin, but mortal mind can actually be twisted, distorted, and rendered evil and ugly by the sinful machinations of a perverse and self-seeking human will. Likewise can this mind be made noble, beautiful, true, and good—actually great—in accordance with the spirit-illuminated will of a God-knowing human being. *

111:2.2 (1217.6) The material mind of mortal man is the cosmic loom that carries the morontia fabrics on which the indwelling Thought Adjuster threads the spirit patterns of a universe character of enduring values and divine meanings—a surviving soul of ultimate destiny and unending career, a potential finaliter.

111:2.3 (1218.1) The human personality is identified with mind and spirit held together in functional relationship by life in a material body. This functioning relationship of such mind and spirit does not result in some combination of the qualities or attributes of mind and spirit but rather in an entirely new, original, and unique universe value of potentially eternal endurance, the soul.


And to be clear "you" are not a soul...or not only a soul....not yet. Your "self" as a material minded personality has many parts which require unification in this life and the next. Indeed, we are not assured our potential destiny until fusion with the TA...our co-parent of our soul. There is much still to do once soul is born. A most interesting subject to study....if you are interested? But so far, you have failed to show any interest in learning about the kingdom of heaven or the meaning of agondonter or light and life or the abode of the TA's or Paradise gravity.


There really is no reason to misunderstand "soul" as it is one of the most common words in the Papers (almost every Paper!!):

https://truthbook.com/search/UBParagrap ... rch=Search


Rather than butcher and distort the teachings, have you truly no interest IN the UB itself? Is there no text you might post for discussion? Is there no term or concept in the Papers you might support in definition and application within your perspective or philosophy of living? So far....you're about zero for 10.


God did not give you soul (or so the UB teaches) but he did give us personality, mind, free will, time, faith assurance, self-hood, identity, and everything we have and need to be, and become, and learn, and grow, and choose our unique and personal experience and expression of life.....oh yeah, God also gives life...and love....and is the source of truth, beauty, goodness, and love....we can but experience, express, and share those gifts of God's Divine nature and gifts to the universe of universes.

You do indeed express the humanization of Deity boldly and recklessly in defiance of the UB itself.

Indeed you have no "grasp of the Paradise gravity"....with or without God....for you apparently do not know anything of the term or its meaning, despite my prior post and reference!

And when you say: "I think that people whose hearts are pure accumulate the energy sources for many blessings, an interweaving of the adjutant forces to act as an undernetting which holds truly spiritual operants." - it vaguely sounds as if you are attempting to describe the fruits of the Spirit...perhaps? The fruits of the Spirit are not by or from the adjutants SEla. Why is it you refuse to incorporate the terms and definitions of terms so generously and clearly provided by the text?

Again, still, and apparently, you appear to misunderstand the role of the adjutants in this life and in the universe - consider a study of Papers 34 and 36! The local universe adjutants have 2 primary roles: first is partnership with the Life Carriers to deliver the process of material planetary evolution to the day of being declared inhabited by free will creatures!! and the second is to deliver the functioning mortal mind to that point of morality and wisdom function when the TA arrives!

62:6.4 (709.5) Increasingly, on down through the dawn mammals, the mid-mammals, and the Primates, we had observed the augmented service of the first five adjutants. But never had the remaining two, the highest mind ministers, been able to function in the Urantia type of evolutionary mind.

62:6.5 (709.6) Imagine our joy one day—the twins were about ten years old—when the spirit of worship made its first contact with the mind of the female twin and shortly thereafter with the male. We knew that something closely akin to human mind was approaching culmination; and when, about a year later, they finally resolved, as a result of meditative thought and purposeful decision, to flee from home and journey north, then did the spirit of wisdom begin to function on Urantia and in these two now recognized human minds.

108:2.2 (1187.1) The Adjusters cannot invade the mortal mind until it has been duly prepared by the indwelling ministry of the adjutant mind-spirits and encircuited in the Holy Spirit. And it requires the co-ordinate function of all seven adjutants to thus qualify the human mind for the reception of an Adjuster. Creature mind must exhibit the worship outreach and indicate wisdom function by exhibiting the ability to choose between the emerging values of good and evil—moral choice.

As I said before...the adjutants do not deliver revelation or truth assurance or bring the Spirit ministry to mind or to soul once the spiritization of mind and circle progress and the transfer of the seat of identity progresses to a certain point - their ministry is on-planet and in mortal-mind only. For those who care to know what the UB teaches about these terms original to the UB!

Again I ask....what is your motive and agenda here for it is certainly clear it is not to learn or to share the teachings of the UB which IS our purpose here!!


I look forward to more study of the UB as you continue to offer so much contradiction of the text for consideration and research!! Please do carry on!


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I am not defiant of Urantia Papers' teaching: I am reliant! This theory does not require me to bend or distort its definitions or synopses at all. I keep searching and considering for something I may be neglecting here. Maybe I am explaining this poorly for you all?

That if the gift of the Indwelling Adjuster is like the nucleus of the human mind, then to fully embrace Him is to allow the Adjuster to manifest the fruits of the Holy Spirit. And since the Holy Spirit's original residence is/was the Central Universe, an human individual would begin to "replicate" or "reflectivate" the semblance of paradise and its first fruits. Thus, by living rightly and waxing strong in spirit does the character of the personality of God begin to manifest the pattern (or nonpattern) of Paradise in his home, his socialisation, and world. All these aspects will be becoming more divine in nature as the human individual progresses.

Machiventa Melchizedek allowed the people of Salem to believe that the Holy Trinity was functionally akin to the 3 Vorondadek Rulers & Observers who administrate the society of Edentia. Those worlds, we are told, would seem as if Havona. We could say "these world are closer on the morontial's path to heaven than we are here in Satania." But what is the issue? It is that Edentia has a more direct connection to the streams which are reflectivated and flow out of the central universe, a purer less attenuated energy stream. The further up the stream we go (from Eden to Salvington to ... to Orvonton, ...) the more original & primordial & universal are the outflows leading to the original master force organiser.

:-$ I suppose it is beyond reckoning for you to consider that human beings "Sons of God" would actually manifest personality traits that are qualitatively akin to these structures and operants within the central universe. That each human individual is potentially "a grand universe in themselv", and therefore treat them as if they contained heaven & Paradise hidden in their own heart(s). :|

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I am not defiant of Urantia Papers' teaching: I am reliant! This theory does not require me to bend or distort its definitions or synopses at all. I keep searching and considering for something I may be neglecting here. Maybe I am explaining this poorly for you all?

That if the gift of the Indwelling Adjuster is like the nucleus of the human mind, then to fully embrace Him is to allow the Adjuster to manifest the fruits of the Holy Spirit. And since the Holy Spirit's original residence is/was the Central Universe, an human individual would begin to "replicate" or "reflectivate" the semblance of paradise and its first fruits. Thus, by living rightly and waxing strong in spirit does the character of the personality of God begin to manifest the pattern (or nonpattern) of Paradise in his home, his socialisation, and world. All these aspects will be becoming more divine in nature as the human individual progresses.

Machiventa Melchizedek allowed the people of Salem to believe that the Holy Trinity was functionally akin to the 3 Vorondadek Rulers & Observers who administrate the society of Edentia. Those worlds, we are told, would seem as if Havona. We could say "these world are closer on the morontial's path to heaven than we are here in Satania." But what is the issue? It is that Edentia has a more direct connection to the streams which are reflectivated and flow out of the central universe, a purer less attenuated energy stream. The further up the stream we go (from Eden to Salvington to ... to Orvonton, ...) the more original & primordial & universal are the outflows leading to the original master force organiser.

:-$ I suppose it is beyond reckoning for you to consider that human beings "Sons of God" would actually manifest personality traits that are qualitatively akin to these structures and operants within the central universe. That each human individual is potentially "a grand universe in themselv", and therefore treat them as if they contained heaven & Paradise hidden in their own heart(s). :|


Well SEla...I would really like to believe you are sincere in this matter....but you keep contradicting and misquoting the UB....so much so....and refuse to respond specificially when it is pointed out. And plenty of those contradictions have been so pointed out...which you continue to ignore and merely become huffy and defensive instead of responsive.

The UB is written with great specificity and is not a comic book or fairy tale for the rewording or rearrangement or any other form of falsification by its humanization and telling by us students. Words have meanings and any who deform, distort, or otherwise misstate the text do it no favors...nor do they help in any way any other students of the UB who seek knowledge and an understanding of the teachings.

1. There is no "coordinate" near the solar plexus wherein the TA and the core of Paradise or the Grand Universe resides - as you falsely claim.
2. The individual mortal or celestial being do not constitute a universe of their own - as you falsely claim.
3. Paradise is not within each of us - as you falsely claim.
4. Life is not an automatic function and does not proceed purely from the unconcsious - as you falsely claim.
5. The consecration of mind or will does not mean a life of agony - as you falsely claim.
6. All persons are not indistinguishable from the totality of the universe - as you falsely claim.
7. Heaven does not mean universe and the universe is not within ye...or me...as you falsely claim.
8. The TA's never receive permission to start new colonies containing Paradise at its core - as you falsely claim.
9. Agondonter does not originate from the word agony - as you falsely claim.
10. Paradise gravity is not a condition and you have not seen any woman or child (not men?) who has Paradise gravity - as you falsely claim.
11. The adjutants do not saturate mortals or make us compatible with the central universe - as you falsely claim.
12. You do not grasp Paradise Gravity - as you falsely claim.
13. The fruits of the Spirit do not originate from the adjutants - as you falsely claim.

As further example of your habit and persistance in misquoting and misrepresenting the UB, let's consider this statement of yours: "the indwelling Thought Adjuster is the "nucleus" (UB 5:6.4) of the human mind" - and yet that's not at all what 5:6.4 says. Why not post the text? Why not quote the text? Why falsify the text? What's your game here?

5:6.4 (70.5) The bestowal of personality is the exclusive function of the Universal Father, the personalization of the living energy systems which he endows with the attributes of relative creative consciousness and the freewill control thereof. There is no personality apart from God the Father, and no personality exists except for God the Father. The fundamental attributes of human selfhood, as well as the absolute Adjuster nucleus of the human personality, are the bestowals of the Universal Father, acting in his exclusively personal domain of cosmic ministry.

The TA is NOT the nucleus of the human mind as you claim. A profound distortion of the text and its teachings...as are the 13 others listed above. Now you claim to be reliant of the text??!! Hogwash and Poppycock and Horse Feathers!!

If you truly want to know the relationship between TA and Mortal Mind and the Soul, let me suggest you read Paper 110 Relation of The Adjuster To Individual Mortals!!

SEla...your theories, declarations, proclamations, and even so called quotes of the UB are humanistic, personalized, and delusional distortions of reality....a construct and invention of your own mind which merely steals terms and concepts from the UB to give a pretense of knowledge and understanding which is so extremely false as to boggle the mind. Your presentation reeks of pride and arrogance - real hubris!!

I have offered and offer still to actually study any of the topics and falsehoods you have posted so far to learn what the UB teaches and to attempt for us to formulate a perspective of reality and philosophy of living which reflects the teachings of the UB, rather than mortal minded distortions and inventions which contradict the teachings!! So far, only denial and refusal on your part. I guess we will persist then in this endeavor of fiction of yours to convince others of your scholarship and allegience to the text??!!

What you teach is false. Have you no interest in learning or studying? A mind which will not self correct its own ignorance and prejudice is a sorry sight indeed. The lack of factual knowledge coupled with the love for one's own ignorant opinions and superiority:

100:1.2 (1094.4) .......... The chief inhibitors of growth are prejudice and ignorance.

It is a pity you cannot see or accept the fact that this is a UB study group....and the text itself is central to our study here. It is not useful to misquote, misstate, misrepresent, or otherwise distort the teachings - especially for newer readers and students!!!! If you will not learn, then you certainly cannot teach!

Shame on you SEla and your arrogant pride in your own inventions and fantasies as superior to the UB we study here. You are defiant to the teachings and indifferent to any accuracy whatsoever! A comparative analysis quickly reveals the errors and inferiority of your theory, and every post so far, to the actual text - despite your declarative self assurance. We do not gather here to study your theory SEla...but I am happy to continue to contrast its contradictions of the UB with the UB itself. Your stubborness in the matter is very puzzling. Again I urge you to actually post some text in support of all future posts to verify you read the text at all and care about its contents at all!

Just sayin'..... :roll:


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To Sela, fanovan, and all,

Sela, you say:

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That if the gift of the Indwelling Adjuster is like the nucleus of the human mind, then to fully embrace Him is to allow the Adjuster to manifest the fruits of the Holy Spirit. And since the Holy Spirit's original residence is/was the Central Universe, an human individual would begin to "replicate" or "reflectivate" the semblance of paradise and its first fruits. Thus, by living rightly and waxing strong in spirit does the character of the personality of God begin to manifest the pattern (or nonpattern) of Paradise in his home, his socialisation, and world. All these aspects will be becoming more divine in nature as the human individual progresses.


That seems pretty spot-on to me - no matter how your conclusion was reached. Your discussion with fanovan here is getting a little heated, but I do agree with your conclusion. The Adjuster in the mind is a fact; we all can agree on that; whether you should call it the "nucleus" or not, I get your meaning. Embracing that reality is the key to better living.

I know that we are all trying to understand one another. As mentioned before, this is not always easy to do in a forum such as this, but we must try. The way we absorb and reflect the teachings of the UB is an individual process, and like spiritual experience of all sorts, exhibits itself in individual ways. Sincerity is the key, and tolerance for one another's sincere interpretations is important, even when we may not understand the process they have used to reach that interpretation.

Sela, it would be helpful if you would use more of the text to support your conclusions and explain your process; but fanovan, shaming is counterproductive.

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Agreed...my bad. Frustrated. But no excuse. :? 8)


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MaryJo says above: "The way we absorb and reflect the teachings of the UB is an individual process, and like spiritual experience of all sorts, exhibits itself in individual ways. Sincerity is the key, and tolerance for one another's sincere interpretations is important, even when we may not understand the process they have used to reach that interpretation."

I certainly agree there is much in the UB that is subject to personal discernment and, in some cases, "interpretation" as we "absorb and reflect the teachings of the UB" in an individualized process.

So...are you saying that the students here are to "tolerate" misstatement, misquoting, and falsification of clearly written teachings? And is the continuous misstatement of text to be considered "sincere" and chalked up to personal interpretation? So anything goes?

When Midichlorian (posting as Caligastia) says the UB is a deceptive coverup of corruption and conspiracy by celestials and the authors of the UB...we should just let that go and be tolerant of his "interpretation"?

And when Enno/nodAmanaV posts a topic titled The DANGERS of the Urantia Book and attacks its contents, that is just an interpretation for us to tolerate?

Or when Louis/Manny/toto/JohnnyBones/lucoul (all the same poster/person here) says that students of the UB are idolators and that Gabriel is unwise and the treatment of Lucifer proves there is no free will but there is anger, hearsay, gossip, unfairness, and injustice in heaven - that too is but a personal interpretation for our tolerance?

And when SEla makes 14+ false claims and misquotes of the UB, we are to accept that? What's the line between false and misleading statement regarding the text and personal interpretation I wonder?

I hope it is my tone and my immature expressions of exasperation and frustration that you object to? Surely, this study group, developed specifically for new students of the UB, is not being admonished that the UB itself should take a back seat to the "interpretations" of those who misstate, misquote, and misrepresent the clearly presented facts written with clarity and redundancy presented to us to reduce confusions and eliminate errors? Are not facts facts after all? Interpretations are not required of facts are they?

The 14 points listed above are hardly interpretive or confusing as presented in text I do not think.

I appreciate you being here MaryJo...your service brings a sweet and warm voice to the community here far longer than I have attended. Do you think silent acceptance of falsehood to be a form of endorsement and acquiescence? I hope for more graciousness and wisdom in my interaction and know I am too often too impatient and belligerent.....also a false presentation and contradiction of the Teachings to be sure.

Anyway...these seems a good topic and point to seek your counsel about a delicate topic....being a good student of the UB at this study group. I hope to remain welcome and contribute to the study of this glorious textbook of facts about universe and personal realities....only some of which is subject to interpretation of any kind IMO.

Thank you.

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Was Jesus "shaming" the multitudes when he said:

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152:5.3 (1704.2) “How long shall I bear with you? Are you all slow of spiritual comprehension and deficient in living faith? All these months have I taught you the truths of the kingdom, and yet are you dominated by material motives instead of spiritual considerations. Have you not even read in the Scriptures where Moses exhorted the unbelieving children of Israel, saying: ‘Fear not, stand still and see the salvation of the Lord’? Said the singer: ‘Put your trust in the Lord.’ ‘Be patient, wait upon the Lord and be of good courage. He shall strengthen your heart.’ ‘Cast your burden on the Lord, and he shall sustain you. Trust him at all times and pour out your heart to him, for God is your refuge.’ ‘He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.’ ‘It is better to trust the Lord than to put confidence in human princes.’

152:5.4 (1704.3) “And now do you all see that the working of miracles and the performance of material wonders will not win souls for the spiritual kingdom? We fed the multitude, but it did not lead them to hunger for the bread of life neither to thirst for the waters of spiritual righteousness. When their hunger was satisfied, they sought not entrance into the kingdom of heaven but rather sought to proclaim the Son of Man king after the manner of the kings of this world, only that they might continue to eat bread without having to toil therefor. And all this, in which many of you did more or less participate, does nothing to reveal the heavenly Father or to advance his kingdom on earth. Have we not sufficient enemies among the religious leaders of the land without doing that which is likely to estrange also the civil rulers? I pray that the Father will anoint your eyes that you may see and open your ears that you may hear, to the end that you may have full faith in the gospel which I have taught you.”


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First of all fanovan, thanks for stepping up and acknowledging about the shaming issue. And no, I am not suggesting

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that the students here are to "tolerate" misstatement, misquoting, and falsification of clearly written teachings? And is the continuous misstatement of text to be considered "sincere" and chalked up to personal interpretation? So anything goes?


Not at all, and I think you know that. If you don't know that, I am now telling you that I don't think that.

Also, you say:

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What's the line between false and misleading statement regarding the text and personal interpretation I wonder?


I say it may be a fine line. I did advise Sela

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it would be helpful if you would use more of the text to support your conclusions and explain your process


It remains to be seen if she will do that. I agree that your concrete citations and her (in your view) inexact interpretations may be at odds, but maybe she will explain herself better in future. Are we only to see the "letter of the text...?" Is there no wiggle room here that can be tolerated? Especially if the flavor of the interpretation results in spiritual growth or insight...rather than deliberate condemnation of the text or the teachings?

And Agon D. Onter...Jesus may have shamed people from time to time (he certainly exhibited "righteous indignation"), but his reactions came from a very different perspective, and I don't think it's wise to assume that our perspectives rise to his, no matter how spiritual any of us may think ourselves, nor how literate we are as regards the teachings of The Urantia Book. In any event, his main attitude towards others was one of kindness, while his denunciations were reserved for those who really deserved them. He could read peoples' hearts. Can any of us say the same? We would do well to try, but start from an assumption that he who is not against us is for us. If someone is truly false, that intention will eventually surface, as in the other examples given by fanovan (most of which happened on Larry's watch and are unfamiliar to me).

Jesus' interactions were always of the face-to-face variety. Again, in an anonymous forum such as this, we have to be willing to give others the benefit of the doubt and allow them to unequivocally express their true intent before coming down on them with too heavy a hand. Not everyone is able to withstand or carry on under withering criticism, no matter how well-intentioned. It is intimidating.

God bless all on this fine Saturday that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it!

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So true Agon D. Onter!!! And thank you MaryJo!! Wise words.

While no excuse for intolerance and rudeness, I was also reminded of the many time the Master also expressed exasperation and frustration.

Here's a link to the keywords "How long" - how long must I, how long will you, etc., etc. - a common lament recorded over 10 times in Part IV demonstrating the need to know fact and face fact and quit clinging to the misconceptions of our prejudice!! The 5th Epochal Revelation was not presented for us to ignore its contents or the falsification and misrepresentation of its contents either.

https://truthbook.com/search/UBParagrap ... &start=all

Said the Master: "By this time it should be possible for me to instruct you as full-grown men of the spirit kingdom. Must I ever address you only as children? Will you never grow up in spirit perception?"

There was much the Lord did not tolerate!

There's an interesting and well known theory about tolerance: sufficient tolerance will result in only the perpetuation of that which is intolerable and the eventual destruction of the tolerant!! Is there a limit to tolerance here I wonder?

No matter, I am always reminded of this:

171:7.1 Jesus spread good cheer everywhere he went. He was full of grace and truth. His associates never ceased to wonder at the gracious words that proceeded out of his mouth. You can cultivate gracefulness, but graciousness is the aroma of friendliness which emanates from a love-saturated soul.

171:7.2 Goodness always compels respect, but when it is devoid of grace, it often repels affection. Goodness is universally attractive only when it is gracious. Goodness is effective only when it is attractive.

May this tadpole learn graciousness if not blind acceptance of falsehood and error. I have much yet to learn.

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PS....I could be wrong but I think SEla's name is Steven (?) and the picture is his daughter (?).


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MaryJo says above: "Again, in an anonymous forum such as this, we have to be willing to give others the benefit of the doubt and allow them to unequivocally express their true intent before coming down on them with too heavy a hand. Not everyone is able to withstand or carry on under withering criticism, no matter how well-intentioned. It is intimidating."

To be clear MaryJo, this reply is not to defend bad behavior on my part. But about the benefit of the doubt part above and allowing someone to express their true intent: SEla has been posting here for 6+ years and his perspective and words are not new or unknown here. He has quite the reputation here for oracling and proclaiming many things many times that defy and contradict the UB. This is not new behavior of his.

I have challenged his sincerity and asked about his motive and agenda....these are serious comments and not merely a personalized attack based on misunderstanding or impatience. You might wish to consider SEla's past record here of topics and comments (and Larry's many prior admonishments). SEla has so frequently defied and contradicted the UB that it is clearly a pattern of behavior. He is not here to learn but to teach...and not the UB either!

I am not requesting any action toward him nor excusing my own lack of poise and grace. But this issue is not limited to this topic nor is it recent or without precedent.

You may wish to consider these topic originated by SEla, including feedback and comments by LW:

Out of the Hand of the Keeper

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5184

Lucifer Doing God's Will When He Made Declaration of Liberty

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5177

Custody of Planet Urantia

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5080

HowIauthenticallyexpressmyselfinthefullnessofindividuality

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5085&p=61881#p61881

Psychiatry in the Modern Sense

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5190&p=64117#p64117

There are many other examples of Stephen's declarations which contradict the UB over the past 6 years. One's voice can become well known over so many topics and so many posts with such consistant content and perspective.

Still...my own errors are not thereby absolved in any case.

Thanks MaryJo for being here....no need to reply unless you see some point. I understand and accept your prior rebuke....it was well deserved!!

:smile: :wink: :!: :idea: 8)

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Oh, LOL!!! Here I thought I was talking to, and about, the young girl in the picture. Too funny...if true, that is. On that, I will suspend judgment. Nevertheless, that does not change my comments. I was commenting on the content of the posts.

But that illustrates the difficulties with a forum such as this, where identities may not always be what they appear to be...

I appreciate that you and others here have an association that goes back years. In any event, I am still getting my feet under me as moderator, trying to get up to speed, and will consider the information you have found - should we have issues down the road, that is. I don't intend to delve into it at this time.

That was then, this is now; I can't hold the past against anyone, having not been a part of what transpired at that time. I just hope we can all start out on a fresh footing of true study and sharing the beauties of the revelation with each other.

Thanks for your willingness to extend civility to me. I was not intending to "rebuke" you, but I appreciate your response. I just didn't want that young girl to be scared off! HAHA! But that sentiment holds for everyone else in this forum, too... including you, Bradly.

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Yikes, but ok.

I made an error by misstating "mind" and instead of what the Urantia Paper actually stated "human personality".

:? This topic may be an example of when a person attempts to use religious theory to fit one's personal interpretation. I will go through the list you made me again. It is indeed shameful to misstate the actual pronouncements or essence of UB.

I acted combatively or retortfully. And this is what paved the way for my own ignorance to become stretched by the desire to prove my theory. That is probably easy to observe.

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Well, 6 years ago I admit to being thoroughly baffled at where SEla_Kelly was coming from in relation to the UB and certainly couldn't hold to their content. But it seems to me that a very serious improvement in quality has occurred over time, as if thoughts were clarifying themselves over time. It could be more likely that the daughter was using the father's account to begin with. I was 19 when I searched for and found the UB - rather prepared to start the journey at that point but of course lacking important experience to appreciate many tricky issues. If someone is even younger it may take a bit longer to more fully understand and express the subtleties. :smile:

In one study session a woman declared that a person who commits suicide effectively cancels their potential for the eternal career. I was quite surprised but after reflection that statement made a lot of sense. There may be exceptions that the Ancients of Days or Creator Son may rule in favor of, but her statement may be correct though I don't remember any commentary by the revelators.


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Riktare wrote:

In one study session a woman declared that a person who commits suicide effectively cancels their potential for the eternal career. I was quite surprised but after reflection that statement made a lot of sense. There may be exceptions that the Ancients of Days or Creator Son may rule in favor of, but her statement may be correct though I don't remember any commentary by the revelators.


Not to take this thread on too much of a tangent, but since Riktare mentioned his and another person's opinion of what happens in the case of suicide, I thought I'd share this food for thought from the Truthbook FAQ: What does the Urantia Book say about ....

https://truthbook.com/urantia/faq/what- ... ts-suicide

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People commit suicide for any number of reasons; desperation, ill health, despair, and intense sorrow might be some reasons that a person would choose this way. But no matter whether a person dies through accident, illness, old-age, or suicide, their fate is exactly the same. Ultimately, all mortals awaken on the Mansion Worlds, and there, begin their "real life, the ascending life." And all who awaken from death will be given every opportunity for spiritual advancement.


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From the Truthbook website:

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But no matter whether a person dies through accident, illness, old-age, or suicide, their fate is exactly the same.


Please provide a quote from the Urantia Book that supports this ridiculous claim.


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