Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:21 pm +0000
Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:18 pm +0000
fanofVan wrote:It's also unfortunate that he continues to contradict, even defy, the UB. This is about the fifth time toto, loucol, Manny, JohnnyBones, Louis, et al, etc., etc. has claimed...."I may misunderstand many things said in TUB, however, I agree that TUB describes that Paradise does not exist anywhere because it is outside of space, but is everywhere."
fanofVan wrote:The rest of this Paper certainly continues its description of Paradise as a material and spatial location and that it is a matter of fact that it does not exist anywhere else in all the universe of universes and certainly not at the center of all matter everywhere. toto's pet theories regarding the concentric circles and spirals and time and Paradise as the material atomic nucleus are found only in his imagination....and also in every single topic ever posted here evidently as he invades each topic to insert and assert his own beliefs and theoretical constructs....no matter their deficiencies and absurdaties!!
toto wrote:42:1.2 Matter—energy—for they are but diverse manifestations of the same cosmic reality, as a universe phenomenon is inherent in the Universal Father. “In him all things consist.” Matter may appear to manifest inherent energy and to exhibit self-contained powers, but the lines of gravity involved in the energies concerned in all these physical phenomena are derived from, and are dependent on, Paradise, The ultimaton, the first measurable form of energy, has Paradise as its nucleus.
Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:45 am +0000
toto wrote:As Paradise exists as the focus of space, it pervades all space because the Unqualified Absolute and Paradise are inseparable.
105:3.4 3. The Paradise Source and Center. Second nondeity pattern, the eternal Isle of Paradise; the basis for the realization-revelation of “I AM force” and the foundation for the establishment of gravity control throughout the universes. Regarding all actualized, nonspiritual, impersonal, and nonvolitional reality, Paradise is the absolute of patterns. Just as spirit energy is related to the Universal Father through the absolute personality of the Mother-Son, so is all cosmic energy grasped in the gravity control of the First Source and Center through the absolute pattern of the Paradise Isle. Paradise is not in space; space exists relative to Paradise, and the chronicity of motion is determined through Paradise relationship. The eternal Isle is absolutely at rest; all other organized and organizing energy is in eternal motion; in all space, only the presence of the Unqualified Absolute is quiescent, and the Unqualified is co-ordinate with Paradise. Paradise exists at the focus of space, the Unqualified pervades it, and all relative existence has its being within this domain.
Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:00 pm +0000
MidiChlorian wrote:Therefore, his assumption regarding paradise and space would indicate that "toto"'s understanding of space is that they are the same thing or area?
MidiChlorian wrote: where in the UB quote he has provided they are not "inseparable", they are "co-ordinate"; big difference which seems to follow along the lines of perceived error throughout his hypothesis?
MidiChlorian wrote:Also, being "pervaded" ("to become spread throughout all parts of")
MidiChlorian wrote:However, the UB indicates that there are many different types of space or in this case the space between spaces, that he needs to define in his so called literal hypothesis, where it would seem that he does not take into account that which has not been discovered yet on Urantia?