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SEla_Kelly wrote: But even so, a joyous or a doomed fate, is the aftertaste of prophecy. Oh? "Prophetic Joy", and harmony, the continuous flavour of Havona? I understand, how a prophet must serve his nation. Joy and ardour are wonderful experiences, but even so our lives in the Central Universe are temporary. You should forebear on joy just as much as doom, even if it is a valid trait of all Havoners!
The prophecy of personal revelation, is to know who you are/will be, after that Centeral Universe experience. There is no better apparent truth than to know Jesus as the Master, and to realise why he wants us to know the life that we have with the father, before this material existence gave birth to our souls. Like Ihaleakala Hew Len mentioned about his own purposes: getting back to zero, to overcome these physical obstacles, and have nothing obfusticating your personal relationship with He who is the First Source and Center, mean that you can go back to before the beginning, the chance to start as one without name and without number. How would you build the outer universes, will you create more after that....
This line "future prophets" is an allusion a hopeful boding that parents trust their own children more. That means when you hear your child make her first choice, real choice, you can neither affirm nor deny it: you can only help them to fulfill it. To see how a person's choices might reveal their individuated destiny, but then for you to tell them how or why or who would be like poison: to distort God's hope for that one!
Future prophets is like the affirmation that Jesus gave at sermon, echoing the declaration of Isaiah "you will be to me a nation of priests." But a prophet and a priest are examples of service, those who serve the Master Son, but service should exist within the tutelage of famlies, not in word but in self-sufficiency and in love.
There is something more to being a father. The Universal Father does not reveal to me much! But I know that when I have that revelation, it is because I did right by him and prepared my soul to receive his gift. But think about that in terms of loyalty! If your own son loyal to you, you would be afraid to prophecy to them, because that is your voice and for them to trust you so much and seek to fulfill your bodings, puts you in the liability if they act according to your instruction.
So the Melchizedek who wrote Paper 99 "On Religion", said something like this "Have ye faith? Then that is your faith and not another's: then keep it to yourself." And I think what we should realise about future prophets, is that they do not necessarily need to deliberate before the audience, but simply to understand personal revelation and to love others and work earnestly.
That sure seems a lot different than Christian Youtubers who claim prophecy and whose methods are the extrapolation of someone else's writings (Mainly John Zebdee's Revelation, which came after John the Baptist i.e. the last prophet), someone else's opinions or experiences. It is a mark of pride, I feel, in the modern day, and honestly what is revealed about another individual's destiny is too profound to speak: I can only help each person attain that.
We are told here to forbear our joys. Such horrible advice and, as usual, in direct contradiction of the UB. Who would preach such malarky??!! And why? Why defy the teachings OF JOY here of all places??!! Are we to be anxious or doubtful or brooding or dour or apprehensive or gloomy and moody and dark??!! Good Grief. Who thinks like this? Who would recommend it to others? Stephen declares we are to delay, restrict, prevent, and limit the fruits of the Spirit.
The UB teaches that joy is the natural state of knowledge and truth and wisdom and the objective perspective and subjective experience and expression of life!!! Indeed, joy is the natural and inherent result in spiritual growth and progress. Those who do not experience and express JOY have much work to do and are in no position to teach, preach, or declare falsehoods as truth to others....especially here!!
16:6.8 (192.4) 3. Worship—the spiritual domain of the reality of religious experience, the personal realization of divine fellowship, the recognition of spirit values, the assurance of eternal survival, the ascent from the status of servants of God to the joy and liberty of the sons of God. This is the highest insight of the cosmic mind, the reverential and worshipful form of the cosmic discrimination.
34:6.13 (381.7) The consciousness of the spirit domination of a human life is presently attended by an increasing exhibition of the characteristics of the Spirit in the life reactions of such a spirit-led mortal, “for the fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance.” Such spirit-guided and divinely illuminated mortals, while they yet tread the lowly paths of toil and in human faithfulness perform the duties of their earthly assignments, have already begun to discern the lights of eternal life as they glimmer on the faraway shores of another world; already have they begun to comprehend the reality of that inspiring and comforting truth, “The kingdom of God is not meat and drink but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” And throughout every trial and in the presence of every hardship, spirit-born souls are sustained by that hope which transcends all fear because the love of God is shed abroad in all hearts by the presence of the divine Spirit.
100:4.3 (1097.7) .......The highest happiness is indissolubly linked with spiritual progress. Spiritual growth yields lasting joy, peace which passes all understanding.
According to the UB, prophesy is far different than personal or epochal revelation. I think I have lived among prophets and heard their words of warning and hope for my generation. Some are greater and many are more obscure and a few perhaps notorious. Prophesy is the expression of vision and truth and passion as experienced and publicly expressed by another faith child. By the spoken or written word or by the lyrics of song or the script in a play or film.
We are surrounded by the portrayal of truth, warning, hope, direction, instruction, and inspiration. But do we hear it? Or understand and appreciate such public displays of faith? Not all prophesy or prophets are equal in truth or value. Only discernment and wisdom can help us "hear" truth.
For there certainly are false prophets and wannabe prophets who do not declare truth or give light to others. They are often driven by fears and darkness and delusion...and forbear joy!
Just sayin'.....
But here Stephen again and still distorts the UB teachings about prophesy to his own tormented prejudice and preference in defiance and contradiction of the UB. So unfortunate. Unchallenged and unanswered by the mods or the community here for nearly a week. Why? So then, you AGREE????!!!! Why then silence by these students in this classroom?? SPEAK UP! Somebody....or TruthBook is surely doomed.
Another falsehood proclaimed here by Stephen is that John the Baptist was the last prophet....only Stephen might think so. The UB certainly does not teach this. Who else here believes this false declaration? We will be led and served by prophets through all the earlier Mortal Epochs.
101:5.9 (1110.12) Scientists assemble facts, philosophers co-ordinate ideas, while prophets exalt ideals.....
102:7.7 (1127.1) If science, philosophy, or sociology dares to become dogmatic in contending with the prophets of true religion, then should God-knowing men reply to such unwarranted dogmatism with that more farseeing dogmatism of the certainty of personal spiritual experience, “I know what I have experienced because I am a son of I AM.”...
102:8.6 (1128.2) While personal religion precedes the evolution of human morals, it is regretfully recorded that institutional religion has invariably lagged behind the slowly changing mores of the human races. Organized religion has proved to be conservatively tardy. The prophets have usually led the people in religious development; the theologians have usually held them back. Religion, being a matter of inner or personal experience, can never develop very far in advance of the intellectual evolution of the races.
155:6.7 (1731.5) I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls?

Stephen's unchallenged lies, falsehoods, distortions, misrepresentations, and deliberate misstatements here reminds of a most amusing portrayal of human gullibility:
156:2.8 (1736.5) Jesus greatly enjoyed the keen sense of humor which these gentiles exhibited. It was the sense of humor displayed by Norana, the Syrian woman, as well as her great and persistent faith, that so touched the Master’s heart and appealed to his mercy. Jesus greatly regretted that his people—the Jews—were so lacking in humor. He once said to Thomas: “My people take themselves too seriously; they are just about devoid of an appreciation of humor. The burdensome religion of the Pharisees could never have had origin among a people with a sense of humor. They also lack consistency; they strain at gnats and swallow camels.”
IMO, there are far too many here willing to swallow Stephen's Camels while choking on gnats or any forms of correction, contention, or conflict. It is no mere quibble or squabble to disagree with one who declares we are God's slaves, without freewill, but with pre-existence and an endless stream of proclamations and declarations which contradict the UB.
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