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And yes, I understand that you are very likely referring to the book by Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now. I have read the book and it has some useful insights. However, it probably should be discussed on its own thread on that topic.


Not exactly. I see that you are well read but I was referring to TUB.

100:1.4 Children are permanently impressed only by the loyalties of their adult associates; precept or even example is not lastingly influential. Loyal persons are growing persons, and growth is an impressive and inspiring reality. Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole.


I was talking about loyalty, specifically to living loyally today.

Bradly especially, is fond of referring to himself as a tadpole. Then he lectures Enno and all of us on the virtues of patience and the evils of impatience, with the full force of Urantia Book quotes.

Bradly, are you a tadpole because you want the quickest way to become a frog? Are you being impatient and a frog wannabe? Did you forget the part of living loyally each moment (NOW) as you are? And if you are to live loyally, who are you living for? Who are you loyal to?

If we are to live loyally to Our Creator, then NOW is the only way to escape time for an instant. NOW is the only way to make contact with our TA.

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I have a negative comment to make about that, but I'm going to post it tomorrow.


We should welcome negative commentary. They are essential to contrasting with positive ideas. But I do appreciate the humor.

"I will gladly pay you tomorrow for a hamburger today", J Wellington Wimpy.

Now that is what I call mixing good and evil. The good of a juicy hamburger with the evil of credit.


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Bradly especially, is fond of referring to himself as a tadpole.

This is true but, it is his prerogative to refer to himself as a child, where the following UB quote presenting the "tadpole" to "frog" is a form of complacency to stay as a child. For some this is okay, but there are others who would like to grow-up, and look at society and the current civilization as needing some change in order to progress forward.

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100:1.4 Children are permanently impressed only by the loyalties of their adult associates; precept or even example is not lastingly influential. Loyal persons are growing persons, and growth is an impressive and inspiring reality. Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole.

Jesus, had a similar time, as noted in the UB, where He needed to make a change as He got older.

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(1394.1) 126:5.12 With the close of this fifteenth year Jesus completed the traversal of that dangerous and difficult period in human existence, that time of transition between the more complacent years of childhood and the consciousness of approaching manhood with its increased responsibilities and opportunities for the acquirement of advanced experience in the development of a noble character. The growth period for mind and body had ended, and now began the real career of this young man of Nazareth.

Where above, the same analogy might be presented as in the "tadpole" and "frog" narrative. So, it is one thing to "Live loyally today" as a child, but tomorrow will come where one must grow into "manhood", thereby transforming from "tadpole" to "frog", at some point in time.

The other area where one may become complacent, and referenced in the UB, as Social Reconstruction in relation to Religion, is as follows, and also warns of possible issues which may come in time, as this topic attempts to address, however, there are those who are complacent and refuse to see that there are social issues which need to be addressed.

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(1086.4) 99:1.1 Mechanical inventions and the dissemination of knowledge are modifying civilization; certain economic adjustments and social changes are imperative if cultural disaster is to be avoided. This new and oncoming social order will not settle down complacently for a millennium. The human race must become reconciled to a procession of changes, adjustments, and readjustments. Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny.

(1086.5) 99:1.2 Religion must become a forceful influence for moral stability and spiritual progression functioning dynamically in the midst of these ever-changing conditions and never-ending economic adjustments.

(1086.6) 99:1.3 Urantia society can never hope to settle down as in past ages. The social ship has steamed out of the sheltered bays of established tradition and has begun its cruise upon the high seas of evolutionary destiny; and the soul of man, as never before in the world’s history, needs carefully to scrutinize its charts of morality and painstakingly to observe the compass of religious guidance. The paramount mission of religion as a social influence is to stabilize the ideals of mankind during these dangerous times of transition from one phase of civilization to another, from one level of culture to another.

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This is true but, it is his prerogative to refer to himself as a child, where the following UB quote presenting the "tadpole" to "frog" is a form of complacency to stay as a child. For some this is okay, but there are others who would like to grow-up, and look at society and the current civilization as needing some change in order to progress forward.


This also is very true. We must leave childish things behind.


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Jesus, had a similar time, as noted in the UB, where He needed to make a change as He got older.


This is an enormous understatement. Jesus was in the process of realizing His twofold personality as Jesus and the Creator Son of Nebadon. And Yet, he left his followers with untold practical solutions to social problems.

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Where above, the same analogy might be presented as in the "tadpole" and "frog" narrative. So, it is one thing to "Live loyally today" as a child, but tomorrow will come where one must grow into "manhood", thereby transforming from "tadpole" to "frog", at some point in time.


I agree, and at some point we fuse with our TA. Jesus never fused with His TA but He was in continuous contact with His Father. We must make contact with our TA and get the party started. We must be loyal to this communication. We must practice His presence. He will not be ignored forever.


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The other area where one may become complacent, and referenced in the UB, as Social Reconstruction in relation to Religion, is as follows, and also warns of possible issues which may come in time, as this topic attempts to address, however, there are those who are complacent and refuse to see that there are social issues which need to be addressed.


I agree, and my issue with Bradly has to do with questioning Enno's concerns as a form of impatience. One can only address social issues proactively. An action can only occur NOW. Complacency is a refusal to act. Plans and theories are fine but they are not actions. Reading and studying TUB is fine but action is required or else it is all for not. And there is no better place to get the party started than with the person in the mirror.

Thanks for your insightful commentary here, Midi.


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According to the several sources of news media available now, there exists a very wide gulf between the two camps who busy themselves explaining what's true (lies) and what's not (truth). This widening chasm only highlights that those who possess the levers of power over the "mainstream" media, are very much up to no good. Like most things that mobilize many people, the profit motive dominates, all spiritual considerations be damned.

At the core of the battle going on right now, is the disguised "service" of media professionals and self-serving politicians, claiming all men who are not included equally in society, will be, if their assertions of "tolerance" and "intelligence" (college education) are accepted, while their real motive for saying these things are for the purpose of self-enrichment, to prop themselves up in a cozy and luxurious lifestyle at the expense and suffering of the very people they claim to "serve."

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(53:4.2) Self-assertion was the battle cry of the Lucifer rebellion. One of his chief arguments was that, if self-government was good and right for the Melchizedeks and other groups, it was equally good for all orders of intelligence. He was bold and persistent in the advocacy of the "equality of mind" and "the brotherhood of intelligence."


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According to the several sources of news media available now, there exists a very wide gulf between the two camps who busy themselves explaining what's true (lies) and what's not (truth). This widening chasm only highlights that those who possess the levers of power over the "mainstream" media, are very much up to no good. Like most things that mobilize many people, the profit motive dominates, all spiritual considerations be damned.

At the core of the battle going on right now, is the disguised "service" of media professionals and self-serving politicians, claiming all men who are not included equally in society, will be, if their assertions of "tolerance" and "intelligence" (college education) are accepted, while their real motive for saying these things are for the purpose of self-enrichment, to prop themselves up in a cozy and luxurious lifestyle at the expense and suffering of the very people they claim to "serve."

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(53:4.2) Self-assertion was the battle cry of the Lucifer rebellion. One of his chief arguments was that, if self-government was good and right for the Melchizedeks and other groups, it was equally good for all orders of intelligence. He was bold and persistent in the advocacy of the "equality of mind" and "the brotherhood of intelligence."



Yes, Enno. I know this by its more colloquial expression, indoctrination. And this begins at quite a young age. Whereas the the difference between right and wrong, good and evil must be qualified with the teaching of shades of gray, these shades must be carefully taught. With an infinity of shades, there is ample cover to confuse our youth.


158:8.1 And they who receive me receive also Him who sent me. If you would be first in the kingdom, seek to minister these good truths to your brethren in the flesh. But whosoever causes one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hanged about his neck and he were cast into the sea.


I believe that Jesus minced no words in his warning to those that would seek to steer our youth off the true path. Its start in kindergarten and is capped by a college degree majoring in confusion and protests and minoring in discord.

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toto wrote:
I know this by its more colloquial expression, indoctrination.

You're so right Louis, indoctrination has replaced "education."



(153:4.3) "You compel me to declare that he who is not with me is against me, while he who gathers not with me scatters abroad."

Yesterday we reached another point where the separation between true and false became clearer again. Like all men and women, our leaders are in one of two groups; those who desire to do God's will and those who don't. Why those who don't desire to do God's will are completely unaware of the power of the Spirit of Truth (it seems); is astonishing. The continuing blind assertions of those who do not desire to be "with him" only edifies what's true and exposes them, that these blind self-servers are busy "scattering abroad."

(195:5.1) The higher a civilization climbs, the more necessitous becomes the duty to "seek first the realities of heaven" in all of man's efforts to stabilize society and facilitate the solution of its material problems.


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Here's what the Urantia Book says about what we're in the midst of. The complete secularization of society, and the struggle to hold it at bay.


Secular Totalitarianism

195:8.1 (2081.1) But even after materialism and mechanism have been more or less vanquished, the devastating influence of twentieth-century secularism will still blight the spiritual experience of millions of unsuspecting souls.

195:8.2 (2081.2) Modern secularism has been fostered by two world-wide influences. The father of secularism was the narrow-minded and godless attitude of nineteenth- and twentieth-century so-called science — atheistic science. The mother of modern secularism was the totalitarian medieval Christian church. Secularism had its inception as a rising protest against the almost complete domination of Western civilization by the institutionalized Christian church.

195:8.3 (2081.3) At the time of this revelation, the prevailing intellectual and philosophical climate of both European and American life is decidedly secular — humanistic. For three hundred years Western thinking has been progressively secularized. Religion has become more and more a nominal influence, largely a ritualistic exercise. The majority of professed Christians of Western civilization are unwittingly actual secularists.

195:8.4 (2081.4) It required a great power, a mighty influence, to free the thinking and living of the Western peoples from the withering grasp of a totalitarian ecclesiastical domination. Secularism did break the bonds of church control, and now in turn it threatens to establish a new and godless type of mastery over the hearts and minds of modern man. The tyrannical and dictatorial political state is the direct offspring of scientific materialism and philosophic secularism. Secularism no sooner frees man from the domination of the institutionalized church than it sells him into slavish bondage to the totalitarian state. Secularism frees man from ecclesiastical slavery only to betray him into the tyranny of political and economic slavery.

195:8.5 (2081.5) Materialism denies God, secularism simply ignores him; at least that was the earlier attitude. More recently, secularism has assumed a more militant attitude, assuming to take the place of the religion whose totalitarian bondage it onetime resisted. Twentieth-century secularism tends to affirm that man does not need God. But beware! this godless philosophy of human society will lead only to unrest, animosity, unhappiness, war, and world-wide disaster.

195:8.6 (2081.6) Secularism can never bring peace to mankind. Nothing can take the place of God in human society. But mark you well! do not be quick to surrender the beneficent gains of the secular revolt from ecclesiastical totalitarianism. Western civilization today enjoys many liberties and satisfactions as a result of the secular revolt. The great mistake of secularism was this: In revolting against the almost total control of life by religious authority, and after attaining the liberation from such ecclesiastical tyranny, the secularists went on to institute a revolt against God himself, sometimes tacitly and sometimes openly.

195:8.7 (2081.7) To the secularistic revolt you owe the amazing creativity of American industrialism and the unprecedented material progress of Western civilization. And because the secularistic revolt went too far and lost sight of God and true religion, there also followed the unlooked-for harvest of world wars and international unsettledness.

195:8.8 (2081.8 It is not necessary to sacrifice faith in God in order to enjoy the blessings of the modern secularistic revolt: tolerance, social service, democratic government, and civil liberties. It was not necessary for the secularists to antagonize true religion in order to promote science and to advance education.

195:8.9 (2082.1) But secularism is not the sole parent of all these recent gains in the enlargement of living. Behind the gains of the twentieth century are not only science and secularism but also the unrecognized and unacknowledged spiritual workings of the life and teaching of Jesus of Nazareth.

195:8.10 (2082.2) Without God, without religion, scientific secularism can never co-ordinate its forces, harmonize its divergent and rivalrous interests, races, and nationalisms. This secularistic human society, notwithstanding its unparalleled materialistic achievement, is slowly disintegrating. The chief cohesive force resisting this disintegration of antagonism is nationalism. And nationalism is the chief barrier to world peace.

195:8.11 (2082.3) The inherent weakness of secularism is that it discards ethics and religion for politics and power. You simply cannot establish the brotherhood of men while ignoring or denying the fatherhood of God.

195:8.12 (2082.4) Secular social and political optimism is an illusion. Without God, neither freedom and liberty, nor property and wealth will lead to peace.

195:8.13 (2082.5) The complete secularization of science, education, industry, and society can lead only to disaster. During the first third of the twentieth century Urantians killed more human beings than were killed during the whole of the Christian dispensation up to that time. And this is only the beginning of the dire harvest of materialism and secularism; still more terrible destruction is yet to come.


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Here's what the Urantia Book says about what we're in the midst of. The complete secularization of society, and the struggle to hold it at bay.


[quote="nodAmanaV"]195:8.13 (2082.5) The complete secularization of science, education, industry, and society can lead only to disaster. During the first third of the twentieth century Urantians killed more human beings than were killed during the whole of the Christian dispensation up to that time. And this is only the beginning of the dire harvest of materialism and secularism; still more terrible destruction is yet to come.[/quote]

I'm so glad that you brought this topic up Enno because it is a good segue to a modern illustration of this secularization and scientific dogma.


Recent I saw a magazine with Albert Einstein on the cover and a new stamp with his likeness and the famous equation E=mc^2. The scientific community is presenting further proof of his Theory of General Relativity first published in 1914.

TUB which refers directly to this equation is...

42:4.11 ...The increase of mass in matter is equal to the increase of energy divided by the square of the velocity of light.


At first glance this Urantia book statement would appear to corroborate Einstein's mass-energy equivalency principle, E=mc^2. But as we dig deeper we will see that it does not. In such a case, which always guaranteed that when observing the system from either its center of mass frame or its center of momentum frame, E=mc^2 is always true.

But TUB does not provide for a center of mass. Rotation and respiration provides for polarity and centers divide into the duality of poles. It is not the eternal circle, but the eternal ellipse, with dual foci.

Furthermore, the "c" in E=mc^2 is the velocity of light but is symbolized by "c" because the velocity of light is assumed to be constant. TUB has indirectly told us that this is not true. TUB says that light has weight, it is matter. And all matter contains space, and all space moves. Space respirations are in 2 billion year cycles and we are currently expanding in space volume. This means that the velocity of light is not constant but must also be in acceleration.

There is no dispute in human science that space is expanding in an accelerated manner because the Nobel committee awarded Perlmutter et. al. the 2011 Noble Prize in physics for their discovery in 1999. There is also no dispute that most of matter consists of space. And yet, the scientific community has not put two and two together and made any corrections to their cherished equation.

In E=mc^2 there cannot be a universe. Allow me to explain. If light velocity is taken to be a constant, then it can be set to 1. Units are arbitrary and even thought light speed is considered to be quite a high number, we can make it less than 1 if we arbitrarily set the units to measure that speed as Parsecs/sec.

If "c" is set to 1, which is perfectly permissible by manipulating the units of distance and time, then E/m must be equal to 1. In other words, both E and m must be also constant and equal to 1. That means that in Einstein's Universe, there is no exchange between energy and mass.

A reformulation of E=mc^2 with the facts provided from TUB could then derived as follows.

Let us now make a better assumption and treat light as a particle with mass, momentum and radius of curvature. This would then make a lot more sense. We can see this much more clearly if we transform the equation E = MC^2 to a more understandable form. In consideration of this new assumption, if both sides of the equation are squared, the equation would read⎯

E^2 = M^2 (C^2)^2 or, E^2 / M^2 = (C^2)^2

E^2 / M^2 = [(distance per time) ^2] ^2

Since time is circular and cannot be squared, then, (nor can
a spherical shell be cubed) the equation becomes⎯ E^2 / M^2 = [(area per time)] ^2

The equation can then be transformed to⎯

[∆E / ∆M]^2 ∼ ∆(Hyper-cubic) space-(circular)time

This is not the space-time of Einstein.


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A very interesting Republican vs. Democrat slant here with TUB as a cover.

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Hey Louis,

I've been watching a new NatGeo mini series about Albert Einstein's life entitled "Genius." I've been wondering if you've been following along too. In my opinion the producers have done a good job of presenting the facts of his life accurately. Especially his personal life with his wives and kids. At least so far.

What strikes me as being the most interesting thing about him is laid bare by the juxtaposition of his professional life contrasted against his personal life. What kind of a husband and father he was, which I think is safe to say wasn't that out of the ordinary for the time, except that he left his wife to marry his cousin.

The way Einstein's legacy, and the legacies of still living scientists like Hawkins for example, are being treated makes me think about what the Urantia Book says about "fetish personalities."

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A very interesting Republican vs. Democrat slant here with TUB as a cover.

Actually, what the Urantia Book says, is uncovering what self-serving, power seeking, God ignoring politicians of a number of parties are doing, thank God. They are endeavoring to enslave us to a Godless secular totalitarian state. But it seems to me that God has had enough of this kind of nefarious stuff for Urantia. How else did the "worst" possible anti-politician candidate win the White House?

I'm certain it's because of this:

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(1:2.10) As a physical controller in the material universe of universes, the First Source and Center functions in the patterns of the eternal Isle of Paradise, and through this absolute gravity center the eternal God exercises cosmic overcontrol of the physical level equally in the central universe and throughout the universe of universes. As mind, God functions in the Deity of the Infinite Spirit; as spirit, God is manifest in the person of the Eternal Son and in the persons of the divine children of the Eternal Son. This interrelation of the First Source and Center with the co-ordinate Persons and Absolutes of Paradise does not in the least preclude the direct personal action of the Universal Father throughout all creation and on all levels thereof. Through the presence of his fragmentized spirit the Creator Father maintains immediate contact with his creature children and his created universes.

How else is it explained? It must have been collusion with God.


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Hi Enno,

nodAmanaV wrote:
I've been watching a new NatGeo mini series about Albert Einstein's life entitled "Genius." I've been wondering if you've been following along too.


I heard about it but have not watched it. I read a biography of Einstein 30 years ago and was very convinced that he was a true genius. But that does not mean that he was right. He was an ordinary man with extraordinary ideas. Since Newton, physics was gripped by his genius, as was Einstein. The true genius of Einstein was that he released time from its absoluteness that Newton has strapped it with. This was no less than revolutionary. Einstein had released space from its rigid matrix but was clear on continuing to see space as absolute, and thus was unaware that space moved. Yet he compromised by allowing space to curve under mass effect, not knowing that space was already curved and was unresponsive to gravity.

Einstein related space and time orthogonally and from that time forward we then knew them as space-time. This all was tremendous progress but no cigar. Einstein's space was cubic (3 dimensional), yet pliable. Einstein's time remained linear (1 dimensional) but could be stretched, or dilated.

The problem remained that a line of time cannot be orthogonal to an absolute 3 dimensional space. So, Einstein and Minkowski proposed to solve that problem by placing time in the imaginary plane. Imaginary number were well known long before that time and a mathematics was available to calculate with the likes of the square root of -1.

Along comes TUB and reveals that space moves, so space must be hyper-cubic (hyperbolic) or 4 dimensional. Time is not linear but circular simultaneity. Hyperbolas and circles can remain joined and orthogonal throughout infinite hyperbolas. Problem solved! But, this brings up another problem. There is no mathematics to deal with these geometries. These geometries are logarithmic. Logarithmic function are messy because the calculus cannot function with logarithms. There have been many fudges in the proofs of the natural logarithm integrals and derivations. Why is this? infinities get in the way.

In trying to explain calculus, the calculus attempts to calculate by rectifying curves by drawing tangents at a coordinate point. Why has this failed in the mathematics of QED? It is because no information can be had at a coordinate point. This is because a coordinate point relies on the previous point and must predict the next point. For this to work, one needs to know the radius of curvature at that specific coordinate point. This requires one to know the position of the center of the circle where a radius can be drawn perpendicular to the tangent line. This requires one to know the position of Paradise in space. This is not possible. Furthermore, if one were to predict the next position in a curvature, one needs to know two positions; that being the position of two foci in an ellipse.

In other words, the calculus fails because it is based on the one focus of a circle rather than the two foci of an ellipse. The one focus of a circle has no position in space. Space moves and the duality of creation requires the two foci of the Eternal Ellipse. This is a logarithmic spiral that defies calculation.

One cannot calculate God's moves nor predict them. Scientific dogma would have us think otherwise.


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The way Einstein's legacy, and the legacies of still living scientists like Hawkins for example, are being treated makes me think about what the Urantia Book says about "fetish personalities."


Stephen Hawkins' main contribution to theoretical physics is predicting radiation emitted by Black Holes known as Hawkins Radiation. In January 24, 2014 an article in "Nature" was published and amounted to Hawkins latest paper refuting the very existence of Black Holes. So much for all that work that made him famous. Doubts from his own mind. BTW, Einstein died in Princeton NJ in 1954 with great doubts about his own work.


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