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The UB has a paper entitled: Government on a Neighboring Planet... a paper with political overtones.


The political overtones in that paper are according to the observer. They are not necessarily germane to the kinds of political turmoil that we see around us today.

If you want to discuss the state of politics, please do so in light of the book's teachings on that subject. I direct you to a handy topical study on our site that might be helpful. https://truthbook.com/urantia/topical-studies/politics

There is nothing out of line with asking questions and trying to discern what is going on in the world. My issue is the use of political buzzwords, as discussed above. For example, your use of the term "deep state" in this last post. That is a controversial term. There is wide disagreemant about it among people of all political persuasion and it is not appropriate here. There is no mention of a deep state in The Urantia Book. So, please refrain from using it.

Again, please understand the purpose of this group is discussion of The Urantia Book and its teachings. There is no doubting that we are plagued by the issues that you bring up. All of these scourges on our world are real and probably most of the problems here can be traced right back to Lucifer's rebellion. What we do about them is very important to all of us. Discussion is appropriate. All I ask is that you leave out the triggering rhetoric that can be so divisve.

Perhaps it might be a good idea to break down your questions into a more digestible bite - one or two at a time...?

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There was much more in my post than WWG1WGA.


Yes, as I pointed out, "Great Awakening" and "Deep State", also pedophilia. These are all straight out of Qanon and have nothing to do with Urantia Book.

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What would have been your interpretation of the expression if you had never heard of "Q" ?


Lemmings. Following one another off a cliff.

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Does it ring any sentiment of brotherhood for you?


If by "brotherhood" you mean death cult, yes.

Take your propaganda elsewhere. greatawakening.win is more your style anyway. You'll find your tribe of lemmings brothers there.


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mrlucky...

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The UB has a paper entitled: Government on a Neighboring Planet... a paper with political overtones.


The political overtones in that paper are according to the observer. They are not necessarily germane to the kinds of political turmoil that we see around us today.

If you want to discuss the state of politics, please do so in light of the book's teachings on that subject. I direct you to a handy topical study on our site that might be helpful. https://truthbook.com/urantia/topical-studies/politics

There is nothing out of line with asking questions and trying to discern what is going on in the world. My issue is the use of political buzzwords, as discussed above. For example, your use of the term "deep state" in this last post. That is a controversial term. There is wide disagreemant about it among people of all political persuasion and it is not appropriate here. There is no mention of a deep state in The Urantia Book. So, please refrain from using it.

Again, please understand the purpose of this group is discussion of The Urantia Book and its teachings. There is no doubting that we are plagued by the issues that you bring up. All of these scourges on our world are real and probably most of the problems here can be traced right back to Lucifer's rebellion. What we do about them is very important to all of us. Discussion is appropriate. All I ask is that you leave out the triggering rhetoric that can be so divisve.

Perhaps it might be a good idea to break down your questions into a more digestible bite - one or two at a time...?

Thank you...


Wow. I didn't even talk about the real trigger topics that are in the UB like "r" rhymes with "pace". Abe Lincoln statues have been toppled and Dr. Seuss books banned for nothing nearly as radioactive as "r" in the UB. The civil society is under attack from all sides at the moment and I thought some insights into common ground with the WWG1WGA crowd who are keen on preserving some Jesusonian values of moral and spiritual courage, preservation of family values, protection of children from sexual predators, preserving honesty in elections, immigration on merit. (In the Garden of Eden they brought in the best and the brightest from surrounding areas to uplift them with moral and spiritual teachings so they could return to their native lands and uplift their own people... a far cry from the chaos and human tragedy that is now occurring on the border at the hands of an inept and demented individual all of which did not need to happen.)

The search for TRUTH is not always a pleasant and comfortable ride. Jesus triggered many... some to peak moral and spiritual accomplishments and others to depraved, selfish and evil betrayal. In the end it is your own hand that is on your trigger.


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"Right wing Christianity" is an oxymoron isn't it?

And in agreement with FanofVan, globalism is inevitable, but there is no guarantee it will be a smooth transition.


If not done right it would be an unmitigated disaster. If setup on secular and socialist principles an epic fail. If setup on recognition of the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of man, sovereignty of Christ Michael a spectacular success. A hurried and rushed "Great Reset" as what elitist are pushing for which plays directly into the hands of Caligastia.


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"Right wing Christianity" is an oxymoron isn't it?

And in agreement with FanofVan, globalism is inevitable, but there is no guarantee it will be a smooth transition.


If not done right it would be an unmitigated disaster. If setup on secular and socialist principles an epic fail. If setup on recognition of the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of man, sovereignty of Christ Michael a spectacular success. A hurried and rushed "Great Reset" as what elitist are pushing for which plays directly into the hands of Caligastia.


It is unfortunate, but not unusual, when those who find the UB cannot release their clenched grip on preconceptions and prejudice to better focus and expand perspective. Indeed, many it seems are intent to attempt only to seek rationalizations and justifications for entrenched personal beliefs.

The purpose given for the book is to eliminate errors and reduce confusion but it's success or failure at that lies within the student. Insights are not automatic after all. Perspective of reality changes with and because of spiritual growth.

100:1.2 (1094.4) Some persons are too busy to grow and are therefore in grave danger of spiritual fixation. Provision must be made for growth of meanings at differing ages, in successive cultures, and in the passing stages of advancing civilization. The chief inhibitors of growth are prejudice and ignorance.

Me here: So long as social suffering and evolutionary progress are considered to be a political issue rather than a spiritual opportunity for service based on duty, loyalty, ideals, morality, love, and the greatest good for the greatest number, then will special interests and false liberty only prolong the suffering of the many in favor of the elitist few I think.

Elitism is false liberty and is NOT promoted by those working toward and hoping for social justice and equality and opportunity for all persons of all nations and colors and cultures and gender and those who seek to tear down the walls and barriers of nationalism and isolation and exclusion based on fears and racism. Elitists build walls and create barriers to enjoy and protect their status and privileges.

The Qanon double speak we witness here is a most unfortunate example of the rhetoric of elitism Indeed. And most inappropriate as pointed out. The UB teaches us that it is our spirituality and experiential wisdom that drives our politics, and not the other way around.

May we learn to love others and seek to serve them and ease their suffering by the example of the Master.

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134:5.3 (1488.1) Religious teachers must always remember that the spiritual sovereignty of God overrides all intervening and intermediate spiritual loyalties. Someday civil rulers will learn that the Most Highs rule in the kingdoms of men.

134:5.4 (1488.2) This rule of the Most Highs in the kingdoms of men is not for the especial benefit of any especially favored group of mortals. There is no such thing as a “chosen people.” The rule of the Most Highs, the overcontrollers of political evolution, is a rule designed to foster the greatest good to the greatest number of all men and for the greatest length of time.

134:5.5 (1488.3) Sovereignty is power and it grows by organization. This growth of the organization of political power is good and proper, for it tends to encompass ever-widening segments of the total of mankind. But this same growth of political organizations creates a problem at every intervening stage between the initial and natural organization of political power—the family—and the final consummation of political growth—the government of all mankind, by all mankind, and for all mankind.

134:5.6 (1488.4) Starting out with parental power in the family group, political sovereignty evolves by organization as families overlap into consanguineous clans which become united, for various reasons, into tribal units—superconsanguineous political groupings. And then, by trade, commerce, and conquest, tribes become unified as a nation, while nations themselves sometimes become unified by empire.

134:5.7 (1488.5) As sovereignty passes from smaller groups to larger groups, wars are lessened. That is, minor wars between smaller nations are lessened, but the potential for greater wars is increased as the nations wielding sovereignty become larger and larger. Presently, when all the world has been explored and occupied, when nations are few, strong, and powerful, when these great and supposedly sovereign nations come to touch borders, when only oceans separate them, then will the stage be set for major wars, world-wide conflicts. So-called sovereign nations cannot rub elbows without generating conflicts and eventuating wars.

134:5.8 (1488.6) The difficulty in the evolution of political sovereignty from the family to all mankind, lies in the inertia-resistance exhibited on all intervening levels. Families have, on occasion, defied their clan, while clans and tribes have often been subversive of the sovereignty of the territorial state. Each new and forward evolution of political sovereignty is (and has always been) embarrassed and hampered by the “scaffolding stages” of the previous developments in political organization. And this is true because human loyalties, once mobilized, are hard to change. The same loyalty which makes possible the evolution of the tribe, makes difficult the evolution of the supertribe—the territorial state. And the same loyalty (patriotism) which makes possible the evolution of the territorial state, vastly complicates the evolutionary development of the government of all mankind.

134:5.9 (1488.7) Political sovereignty is created out of the surrender of self-determinism, first by the individual within the family and then by the families and clans in relation to the tribe and larger groupings. This progressive transfer of self-determination from the smaller to ever larger political organizations has generally proceeded unabated in the East since the establishment of the Ming and the Mogul dynasties. In the West it obtained for more than a thousand years right on down to the end of the World War, when an unfortunate retrograde movement temporarily reversed this normal trend by re-establishing the submerged political sovereignty of numerous small groups in Europe.

134:5.10 (1489.1) Urantia will not enjoy lasting peace until the so-called sovereign nations intelligently and fully surrender their sovereign powers into the hands of the brotherhood of men—mankind government. Internationalism—Leagues of Nations—can never bring permanent peace to mankind. World-wide confederations of nations will effectively prevent minor wars and acceptably control the smaller nations, but they will not prevent world wars nor control the three, four, or five most powerful governments. In the face of real conflicts, one of these world powers will withdraw from the League and declare war. You cannot prevent nations going to war as long as they remain infected with the delusional virus of national sovereignty. Internationalism is a step in the right direction. An international police force will prevent many minor wars, but it will not be effective in preventing major wars, conflicts between the great military governments of earth.

134:5.11 (1489.2) As the number of truly sovereign nations (great powers) decreases, so do both opportunity and need for mankind government increase. When there are only a few really sovereign (great) powers, either they must embark on the life and death struggle for national (imperial) supremacy, or else, by voluntary surrender of certain prerogatives of sovereignty, they must create the essential nucleus of supernational power which will serve as the beginning of the real sovereignty of all mankind.

134:5.12 (1489.3) Peace will not come to Urantia until every so-called sovereign nation surrenders its power to make war into the hands of a representative government of all mankind. Political sovereignty is innate with the peoples of the world. When all the peoples of Urantia create a world government, they have the right and the power to make such a government SOVEREIGN; and when such a representative or democratic world power controls the world’s land, air, and naval forces, peace on earth and good will among men can prevail—but not until then.

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The civil society is under attack from all sides at the moment and I thought some insights into common ground with the WWG1WGA crowd who are keen on preserving some Jesusonian values of moral and spiritual courage, preservation of family values, protection of children from sexual predators, preserving honesty in elections, immigration on merit.


This is not the forum for that, mrlucky. As mentioned above, the use of these political buzzwords (such as WWG1WGA) is not permitted.

The tone of your posts is laden with political angst. I know that there's plenty of angst to go around these days, but this forum is not the place for discussing it, as the problems become the topic rather than the solutions. Our focus here is the teachings of The Urantia Book. There are other UB forums that might be better suited to the topics you want to discuss.

You are a guest here. Please abide by the rules of posting or your privileges will be suspended. https://truthbook.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3582


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Mr. Lucky sure likes to talk about pedophilia.

Not UB related but I feel I have to say the Dr. Suess books were not "banned" - the company that owns and publishes those books decided of their own free will to stop publishing select titles.

Let's not forget that Mr. Lucky initially claimed his remarks had nothing to do with Q - his (or her) dishonesty about his motives and intent disqualify him as a sincere seeker here.


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Yes...well....according to the Q's, social liberals are pedophiles who do eat their victims and perpetuate the myths of the moon landing, the holocaust, 9/11, and equality... serious stuff ...hahaha ...not!!

You just can't make this stuff up.

:shock: :roll: :-# :-$ :-& :lol:

A link to an excellent analysis of the QAnon paranoia and conspiracy movement and methods with lots of links to multiple sources and perspectives, for anyone interested in Mr. Lucky's source for the perspective he is promoting here.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... ics-482694

As this topic demonstrates so well, there are those who find conspiracies behind every bush and under every rock and claim every element and step of evolutionary progress to be the work of the devil or liberals or the Illuminate or some other fictional force of corruption and social manipulation.

Weird. 8)


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Yes...well....according to the Q's, social liberals are pedophiles who do eat their victims and perpetuate the myths of the moon landing, the holocaust, 9/11, and equality... serious stuff ...hahaha ...not!!

You just can't make this stuff up.

:shock: :roll: :-# :-$ :-& :lol:


The lightheartedness in which you discuss this most serious and distressing topic, sitting on your perch of UB self righteousness says more about you than me. Let me remind you of the Masters warning: "But whosoever causes one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hanged about his neck and he were cast into the sea." The human trafficking on the border is real and devastating for woman and children.

Enjoy the show it's about to get real.


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Yes...well....according to the Q's, social liberals are pedophiles who do eat their victims and perpetuate the myths of the moon landing, the holocaust, 9/11, and equality... serious stuff ...hahaha ...not!!

You just can't make this stuff up.

:shock: :roll: :-# :-$ :-& :lol:


The lightheartedness in which you discuss this most serious and distressing topic, sitting on your perch of UB self righteousness says more about you than me. Let me remind you of the Masters warning: "But whosoever causes one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hanged about his neck and he were cast into the sea." The human trafficking on the border is real and devastating for woman and children.

Enjoy the show it's about to get real.


What's real is real...and what's not is not. Pedophilia and human trafficking are real...and tragic. But Q's accusations against so called liberals and the politicization of human suffering and victim blaming are but crazy radicalizations of unreality. Your political rhetoric is inappropriate.

My "perch of UB self righteousness"? So now you resort to slander and personal insults? More violations of the Guidelines. Hmmmm...... Predictable.

To be of good cheer in God's friendly universe is no vice Mr. Lucky.

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The civil society is under attack from all sides at the moment and I thought some insights into common ground with the WWG1WGA crowd who are keen on preserving some Jesusonian values of moral and spiritual courage, preservation of family values, protection of children from sexual predators, preserving honesty in elections, immigration on merit.


This is not the forum for that, mrlucky. As mentioned above, the use of these political buzzwords (such as WWG1WGA) is not permitted.

The tone of your posts is laden with political angst. I know that there's plenty of angst to go around these days, but this forum is not the place for discussing it, as the problems become the topic rather than the solutions. Our focus here is the teachings of The Urantia Book. There are other UB forums that might be better suited to the topics you want to discuss.

You are a guest here. Please abide by the rules of posting or your privileges will be suspended. https://truthbook.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3582


Did you not read the topic of this thread? "What really, is going on in our world right now?" There are 1800 other threads on this forum full of UB happy talk. I know its become really popular to pull out the heavy hand of censorship to keep our little safe spaces but revelation didn't end with the UB. If you want to know whats going on in the world you need to listen to people tell you their stories.

We are at a critical inflection point in planetary and biologic evolution. This video link I post below will give you a clue about what I'm talking about. Don't worry it's not going to trigger you. Q is not even mentioned in it. The author is Zach Bush, MD. He is the founder of Seraphic Group. We can discuss more when you finish viewing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkNhFY-s4GM


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There are 1800 other threads on this forum full of UB happy talk. I know its become really popular to pull out the heavy hand of censorship to keep our little safe spaces but revelation didn't end with the UB.


mrlucky, if you are unhappy with the rules of posting and see them as nothing more than censorship, then this is not the place for you. If there were no such rules, this forum would descend quickly into a free-for-all and the purpose of the forum would be quickly forgotten. Experience has shown that the rules are a good thing to help us stay on-topic and out of the weeds. And to keep disruptions - and disruptors - to a minimum.

And btw, what's wrong with UB happy talk? I much prefer hope and goodness and love and the beauty of the teachings of Jesus to wallowing in despair, which is what all of these terrible problems tend to inspire in me. Jesus did not advertise evil or concentrate his attention on it.

I don't need to watch that video. It is 24 minutes long, and speaks in the first moments of food being "the ultimate means of political control." Can you not see that that is an inappropriate topic here? What can we do with that outside of wring our hands and awfulize the plight of our food supply? I think most people understand that that is but one area of real concern on our world that have us "quivering on the brink." On the positive side, videos such as that one are to me, a ray of hope, in that the problem is being brought to the light. But in the short term, I am not the one who needs to fix it - the perpetrators are.

Prayer for enlightenment and softened hearts in those who perpetrate evil is appropriate. Service to people, to the planet, and not to profits must be learned and put into practice by those who wield power.

I am sympathetic with you. I see the problem, and agree with the good doctor. It is a very real worry of mine as well, and has been for a long time. But to me, as long-time UB student, I see these issues as a direct result of the failure of our Adamic mission which, had it succeeded, would have addressed the matter of bodily health and food health.

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And nature is marred, her beautiful face is scarred, her features are seared, by the rebellion, the misconduct, the misthinking of the myriads of creatures who are a part of nature, but who have contributed to her disfigurement in time.
https://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-4-gods-relation-to-the-universe#U4_2_8

But as it is, in my view, true love and brotherhood are the only remedies for such sweeping threats to our well-being. Spiritual uplift is needed on a planetary scale.

What more can be said? What more can we do here on our forum outside of keeping our personal side of the street clean, making responsible choices with our food dollars and our votes in the ballot box and living lives of service to God and to others? Being channels of God's love to our world? Being good stewards of our part of the world? If that's no more than "happy talk," then you do the revelation a dis-service.

I am asking you one last time to please stop coming in here with your sledgehammer of negativity. We're here to discuss The Urantia Book, which is a fount of goodness and positivity for those who have the eyes to see.

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There are 1800 other threads on this forum full of UB happy talk. I know its become really popular to pull out the heavy hand of censorship to keep our little safe spaces but revelation didn't end with the UB.


mrlucky, if you are unhappy with the rules of posting and see them as nothing more than censorship, then this is not the place for you. If there were no such rules, this forum would descend quickly into a free-for-all and the purpose of the forum would be quickly forgotten. Experience has shown that the rules are a good thing to help us stay on-topic and out of the weeds. And to keep disruptions - and disruptors - to a minimum.

And btw, what's wrong with UB happy talk? I much prefer hope and goodness and love and the beauty of the teachings of Jesus to wallowing in despair, which is what all of these terrible problems tend to inspire in me. Jesus did not advertise evil or concentrate his attention on it.

I don't need to watch that video. It is 24 minutes long, and speaks in the first moments of food being "the ultimate means of political control." Can you not see that that is an inappropriate topic here? What can we do with that outside of wring our hands and awfulize the plight of our food supply? I think most people understand that that is but one area of real concern on our world that have us "quivering on the brink." On the positive side, videos such as that one are to me, a ray of hope, in that the problem is being brought to the light. But in the short term, I am not the one who needs to fix it - the perpetrators are.

Prayer for enlightenment and softened hearts in those who perpetrate evil is appropriate. Service to people, to the planet, and not to profits must be learned and put into practice by those who wield power.

I am sympathetic with you. I see the problem, and agree with the good doctor. It is a very real worry of mine as well, and has been for a long time. But to me, as long-time UB student, I see these issues as a direct result of the failure of our Adamic mission which, had it succeeded, would have addressed the matter of bodily health and food health.

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And nature is marred, her beautiful face is scarred, her features are seared, by the rebellion, the misconduct, the misthinking of the myriads of creatures who are a part of nature, but who have contributed to her disfigurement in time.
https://truthbook.com/urantia-book/paper-4-gods-relation-to-the-universe#U4_2_8

But as it is, in my view, true love and brotherhood are the only remedies for such sweeping threats to our well-being. Spiritual uplift is needed on a planetary scale.

What more can be said? What more can we do here on our forum outside of keeping our personal side of the street clean, making responsible choices with our food dollars and our votes in the ballot box and living lives of service to God and to others? Being channels of God's love to our world? Being good stewards of our part of the world? If that's no more than "happy talk," then you do the revelation a dis-service.

I am asking you one last time to please stop coming in here with your sledgehammer of negativity. We're here to discuss The Urantia Book, which is a fount of goodness and positivity for those who have the eyes to see.

maryjo


I sense that many users here just prefer to remain in a UB echo chamber passing around feel-good quotes to each other. Is this the UB fossilizing in its 70 short years of existence? I showed UB quotes confirming and backing up the sentiment of WWG1WGA with similar statements from the UB. I made no personal disparaging remarks toward any of the members here but I've been mocked and threatened with expulsion for bringing up topics that are quite germane to the very subject of this thread. It's a shame you refused to listen to the message from Dr. Bush because it had a very high and hopeful ending to it. A unifying and hopeful theme clearly expressing the seriousness of the extinction level threats that are facing humanity and at the same time with a pathway toward solutions.

How are the UB teachings ever going to reach the world if its readers shut out that world and get "triggered" over concepts that they don't even fully understand. We can't do anything about the past nor the failure of the Adamic mission. We can only go forward, hungering for the TRUTH wherever it leads us. If there's truth to be acknowledged in WWG1WGA just acknowledge it and move on. How does mocking somebody who mentions it bring about sharing of common truths that can build unity among believers in Jesus and followers of his teachings? It's not necessary to think exactly the same as someone else to share truth with that person.

I just want to know the TRUTH about "What really, is going on in our world right now?" Truth in science, truth in philosophy, truth in religion. Apparently some just aren't really that interested. However...

The Best is yet to come...


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That is a very nice post, mrlucky.

I think we stepped out on the wrong foot with all of those catchphrases in your original (and subsequent) posts that have been come to be associated with Qanon and it's manifold conspiracy theories. Those things ARE triggering to many people, and probably why you met so much resistance. I don't think that being reminded of the dire state of our world is necessarily triggering to anyone here, however. No one here is unaware of how important these issues are, nor of how important the revelation is in resolving them. I think many here would be willing to discuss issues with you.

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I've been mocked and threatened with expulsion for bringing up topics that are quite germane to the very subject of this thread.


I am sorry that you feel mocked...I certainly never meant to convey anything like that; again, I would just remind you of the above paragraph. I only asked you to refrain from using those triggering words and to soften the political tone of your posts. And it wasn't expulsion, but suspension, which would have been temporary. But instead of a spirit of cooperation, you keep coming back with the same concepts, like WWG1WGA. There may be truth there, but it is wrapped in divisive politics of the day. For some, maybe it's too close to unpleasant associations to attempt to find common ground. We are all only human, after all.

I will go back and listen to the video. I know there are many good people working on good solutions to our problems on many fronts. I have great hope that human goodness, coupled with spirit-inspired ingenuity, will save the day in the end. I feel very optimistic that this troubled planet has a great destiny. Michael chose us because of the great contrast he found here upon which to display the goodness of his bestowal. And he's still here to help us, if we are willing to listen and learn...and lift him up above the fray.

What exactly would you like to see happen with this thread? I hope that people here would be ready and willing to engage with you in the spirit of genuine truthseeking. Again, I would suggest that you start with one or two things instead of the long laundry list of woes that we are faced with. It really can be overwhelming.

But I certainly share your belief that the best is yet to be...amen and amen!

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Thanks MaryJo for keeping the topic open and the discussion focused. Here's a link to a related topic - The Urantia Book and the New World Order.

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Lots to consider and discover in the UB on both topics. First let's get real. Mr. Lucky states above: "I sense that many users here just prefer to remain in a UB echo chamber passing around feel-good quotes to each other. Is this the UB fossilizing in its 70 short years of existence? ....... I made no personal disparaging remarks toward any of the members here...."

Really?? Hahahaha. Such a claim and right after disparaging us in the same paragraph. What a hoot!! :roll: :lol:

There are several other insults posted so far, hurled at those who attend here now ("sitting on your perch of UB self righteousness" for example), have ever attended here, and the mods and hosts here as well. 1800 threads of "happy talk"???? 70 years of fossilization?

Those who seek friendliness should consider their own first perhaps??

Like others here, Mr. Lucky uses provocation as a tool of engagement. He should not be surprised when others are thusly provoked. This too is a weapon and device of the Q's on social media - shaming others by insult... and the Q Drops of endless leading questions designed to incite and feed solutions to fear... by first fear mongering. Sell the fear before selling the solution. Transparent. Predictable. Shallow. Disappointing.

Those who post and profess the works of others and the value of their works and words should be prepared for those persons and their work to be scrutinized. Zack Bush is a hack and an opportunistic capitalist selling a perspective with plenty of for profit product for the gullible. A google of his credentials and status leaves much to be desired. A very poor authority but popular with guess who?? Yes...the Q folk....again.

https://medika.life/zach-bush-md-on-med ... ack-scale/

I wonder if we might use the UB as the authority of source material here? Or, at least, offer material and sources with some objective and scholarly integrity rather than that which merely supports our own prejudiced perspective and with rank commercial opportunism attached??

But certainly we should move past all that and be able to discuss such relevant and important issues regardless of such methods and responses.

First, let us begin with recognition of the keyword "world" in the topic title. There are readers here from around the world. National politics is too local and too temporary and too irrelevant a subject for our mutual attention here. The UB does not present a left or right, conservative or liberal, agenda or perspective. It offers a timeless and universal perspective of evolutionary history and trajectory and process that clearly teaches that morality and a growing response to the Spirit within by the each and the all will inevitably (if slowly and painfully) result in personal and social and planetary and universal progress.

Next let us attempt some objectivity and rise above local and recent biases related to politics and issues. After all we discuss history and planetary progress and destiny....a destiny that is inevitable we are told. By a process in the hands of the Most Highs who truly rule this world and lead it from origin to Light and Life.

Also, perhaps, we might enjoy the happiness of perspective of that truth and fact. We do live in a friendly universe after all and are told that the true believer has no need for anxiety or fear, even while suffering personally or in the face of the reality of the suffering of others. Despair and anxiety offer no value or solutions to any problems we face....whether real or imaginary.

The UB teaches that social and religious progress comes from an interaction of radical elements who promote change, and conservative elements who resist all change, and by the vast majority of people who are in between these polarized extremes. Politics is the spectrum of policies which promote or resist specific strategies and tactics to serve progress or prevent it.... depending on one's political perspective.

There is the politics of preservation of the status quo, or the return to a mythological golden age (Trump's campaign slogan of MAGA - Make America Great Again - as an example), or the politics of progress.... conservatives and progressives. Both are right and both are wrong in their extremes.

To come to this place to promote ANY particular personal political preferences or agendas is WRONG on so many levels... and why the Guidelines here forbid it.

Besides being subjective and provocative and divisive and nationalistic, politics here is irrelevant. Politics does not and cannot solve or prevent suffering. Only spiritization does that. We are told that morality cannot be legislated. So why would anyone come here to promote legislation????????

It's been asked if this is The Great Awakening? What is the great awakening? We are, I believe too, at an inflection point and intersection of opportunity and risk in our world's evolutionary progress. But far far from Light and Life still. There have been many great awakenings in our planetary past according to the UB. The printing press is one. The period of religious awakening 600 years +/- before Jesus. The gift of the Spirit of Truth and flood of TA's. Our history is a series of awakenings.

However, there are some who have come here to claim something more specific and urgent. A claim of crisis and prediction of Divine intervention, etc. Is that what you mean too Mr. Lucky?? You asked if we face imminent extinction for example. Is that what you think and claim? You focus on wealth disparity and the politics of greed and power....which are nothing new or unusual for every evolutionary world, but perhaps, especially our own. Hardly a crisis however. Is human suffering new? Or more urgent or horrible today than previously? How so??

You also appear suspicious of the current pandemic and the global vaccination as if they are inventions of deception and manipulation as if some conspiracy were afoot??

And is the so called deep state you fear merely an entrenched bureaucracy perhaps? And is that everywhere or just the USA? Or is there some elite cabal already in control of our world as some here have claimed in the New World Order topic? So many conspiracies to consider.

You appear to be against historical and current efforts to internationalize and globalize economies and travel and education and employment and finance and trade and governance as unwise and premature....is that right? You have anxieties about our cultural priorities and collective wisdom? Do you believe perfecting and evolution are something the world waits for or endeavors to achieve by experience and failure and frustration and incremental progress by trial and error??

Conspiracy theories are another form of the devil made me do it I think and a belief in and hope for Divine intervention as a substitute for the hammer and anvil of evolution. I have no control, we have no control, we cannot choose better, it doesn't matter what we choose, etc., etc., etc.  All blame of others is self absolution and in error and in denial of truth and reality.

We're going to have to learn to take the responsibility for outcomes that is inherently imbedded in free will choice. A gift of Father. Why keep denying this precious gift?  We are what we choose. We have what we choose. If you choose conspiracy and victimization then don't be surprised by what you receive by such choices.

Mr. Lucky also seems to think that race or race relatiins is a hot topic or "trigger" issue in the Papers and I wonder how so? Certainly is racism going on in our world right now, and still.

All very interesting indeed. I look forward to the discussion. My questions are not mocking but quite serious...if also leading... :wink:

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