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Yukawa's "mesotron" is, I believe, now known as the pi meson or pion. He proposed that such a particle existed and functioned as the charge carrier in an atom's nucleus in 1935. It wasn't until 1947 that experimental demonstrations of its existence were given.

Some interesting points are that the particle has no charge of its own and no spin. Its configuration is just the same as a rho meson, except that the rho meson functions as a vector does mathematically (rather than a pseudovector) while the pi meson functions as a pseudoscalar. That makes the rho meson considerably more massive.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... ia.html#c1

It is currently believed that interaction by scalar particles is always attractive which would seem to not agree with the function of the pi meson in the nucleus. This is an area of research that is ripe for detailed exploration.


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Riktare wrote:
Some interesting points are that the particle has no charge of its own and no spin.


How is it that a particle has no spin? Is it one of those virtual particles?

Is this particle real matter? Because if it is, then it contains within it, space. TUB tell us that this space within matter must have primary space motion. This they call respiration. A vector is a quantity with direction. A scalar is a quantity without direction.

A pseudoscalar is a quantity that changes sign under parity inversion such as improper rotations. Does this particle have spin or just something they want to call rotations? I thought spin and rotations were the same thing. Very strange indeed; mysterious even.


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Neither the pi meson or the related rho meson have angular momentum. Therefore they neither spin nor rotate as a whole object. But both of them contain the same 2 spinning quarks, one which is a (standard) quark and one which is an anti-quark. In the pi meson the quarks are anti-aligned while in the rho meson the quarks are aligned.

I think this fits very well with the revelator's description of the electron consisting of the alignment of a certain number of ultimatons which huddle together depending on their axial revolutions. Here, apparently a congregation of ultimatons construct a quark. The quark may inherit similar behaviors as the ultimatons in terms of huddling depending on the axial revolutions of its constituent ultimatons.


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I thought spin and rotations were the same thing.

Then you would have been wrong, "toto"
Again, not willing to do the work; just making assumptions that your understanding, being simplified, has no complexity, or alternative meaning.

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"Rotation":
rotation in Science --
1 - The motion of an object around an internal axis.
2 - A single complete cycle of such motion. See Note at revolution.
3 - A transformation of a coordinate system in which the new axes have a specified angular displacement from their original position while the origin remains fixed.

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"Spin":
spin in Science --
1 - The intrinsic angular momentum of a rigid body or particle, especially a subatomic particle. Also called spin angular momentum.
2 - The total angular momentum of a physical system, such as an electron orbital or an atomic nucleus.
3 - A quantum number expressing spin angular momentum; the actual angular momentum is a quantum number multiplied by Dirac's constant. Fermions have spin values that are integer multiples of 1/2, while bosons have spin values that are integer multiples of 1.

Where in some or many cases, spin can cause rotation, and rotation can alter spin.
Spin can result in tension or twisting creating the potential for rotation. The moon does not spin but it does rotate/revolve, around the spinning Earth.

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Our Living Language: In everyday speech revolution and rotation are often used as synonyms, but in science they are not synonyms and have distinct meanings. The difference between the two terms lies in the location of the central axis that the object turns about. If the axis is outside the body itself—that is, if the object is orbiting about another object—then one complete orbit is called a revolution. But if the object is turning about an axis that passes through itself, then one complete cycle is called a rotation. This difference is often summed up in the statement "Earth rotates on its axis and revolves around the Sun."

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The difference between what scalars and vectors imply physically becomes a little clearer if we study quaternions. A quaternion essentially contains a scalar (which can even represent a time variable) and a vector (which can represent the spatial or directional aspects of whatever is being modeled).

The del or nabla operator contains a vectorized collection of partial derivative operators, i.e. it looks like <d/dx, d/dy, d/dz>

We can convert a vector, such as the electric field intensity, E, into a quaternion and do likewise for the nabla operator. Then if we multiply the 2 matrices that represent both quaternions together we get a new quaterion. The magical thing is that that new quaternion contains a scalar and a vector. The scalar is nabla dot E. The vector is nabla cross E. Which is exactly the structure of the components of the Maxwell equations.

The scalar part, nabla dot E, tells us how much electric field intensity is compressed into a point in space. You could interpret that as a type of charge. The vector part, nabla cross E, tells us how much the electric field intensity varies spherically in space. It is likely associated with some type of wave.


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I would like to ask the administrators to remove the last post. It is most definitely off topic.

Please do not lock this thread as valid discussion is needed on this topic.

I have no problem discussing what the author of the last post states. However, it belongs in another thread and not here.


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The mesotron cannot be found inside of an atom. It is on the outside made up of ultimatons moving toward a condensation of puissant emergent energy. All of the great work that has been done understanding the 10% doesn't really tell us very much about the 90%. It seems that TUB is telling us that the 90% is puissant emergent energy slowing down, collapsing and condensing into the 6%. The mesotron is just part of this process.

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The Mesotron is only mentioned in TUB under "Atomic Cohesion".

42:8.1 While gravity is one of several factors concerned in holding together a tiny atomic energy system, there is also present in and among these basic physical units a powerful and unknown energy, the secret of their basic constitution and ultimate behavior, a force which remains to be discovered on Urantia. This universal influence permeates all the space embraced within this tiny energy organization.

42:8.2 The interelectronic space of an atom is not empty. Throughout an atom this interelectronic space is activated by wavelike manifestations which are perfectly synchronized with electronic velocity and ultimatonic revolutions. This force is not wholly dominated by your recognized laws of positive and negative attraction; its behavior is therefore sometimes unpredictable. This unnamed influence seems to be a space-force reaction of the Unqualified Absolute.

42:8.3 The charged protons and the uncharged neutrons of the nucleus of the atom are held together by the reciprocating function of the mesotron, a particle of matter 180 times as heavy as the electron. Without this arrangement the electric charge carried by the protons would be disruptive of the atomic nucleus.

42:8.4 As atoms are constituted, neither electric nor gravitational forces could hold the nucleus together. The integrity of the nucleus is maintained by the reciprocal cohering function of the mesotron, which is able to hold charged and uncharged particles together because of superior force-mass power and by the further function of causing protons and neutrons constantly to change places. The mesotron causes the electric charge of the nuclear particles to be incessantly tossed back and forth between protons and neutrons. At one infinitesimal part of a second a given nuclear particle is a charged proton and the next an uncharged neutron. And these alternations of energy status are so unbelievably rapid that the electric charge is deprived of all opportunity to function as a disruptive influence. Thus does the mesotron function as an “energy-carrier” particle which mightily contributes to the nuclear stability of the atom.

42:8.5 The presence and function of the mesotron also explains another atomic riddle. When atoms perform radioactively, they emit far more energy than would be expected. This excess of radiation is derived from the breaking up of the mesotron “energy carrier,” which thereby becomes a mere electron. The mesotronic disintegration is also accompanied by the emission of certain small uncharged particles.

42:8.6 The mesotron explains certain cohesive properties of the atomic nucleus, but it does not account for the cohesion of proton to proton nor for the adhesion of neutron to neutron. The paradoxical and powerful force of atomic cohesive integrity is a form of energy as yet undiscovered on Urantia.

42:8.7 These mesotrons are found abundantly in the space rays which so incessantly impinge upon your planet.



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Thank you toto, I can't read about mesotron enough.

The cohesion of matter comes from a cold higher energy slowing down and condensing into the electronic organization of matter. Science is still laboring under the false assumption that the cohesive force of the mesotron (strong force) is born of some kind of particle that exists inside of an atom. This confusion is caused by the big bang nonsense. Without a big bang there is no need for mesotrons to be created as part of an atom. Mesotron contains the atom.

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42:8.2 The interelectronic space of an atom is not empty. Throughout an atom this interelectronic space is activated by wavelike manifestations which are perfectly synchronized with electronic velocity and ultimatonic revolutions. This force is not wholly dominated by your recognized laws of positive and negative attraction; its behavior is therefore sometimes unpredictable. This unnamed influence seems to be a space-force reaction of the Unqualified Absolute.


It seems likely that the unpredictable force reactions around the nucleus would affect the electrons too. This may be where "uncertainty" arises in quantum mechanics and even the observations that an electron of an atom or molecule cannot be located precisely at one location at any moment. One name for that is Zitterbewegung.


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42:7.10 The first twenty-seven atoms, those containing from one to twenty-seven orbital electrons, are more easy of comprehension than the rest. From twenty-eight upward we encounter more and more of the unpredictability of the supposed presence of the Unqualified Absolute. But some of this electronic unpredictability is due to differential ultimatonic axial revolutionary velocities and to the unexplained “huddling” proclivity of ultimatons. Other influences—physical, electrical, magnetic, and gravitational—also operate to produce variable electronic behavior. Atoms therefore are similar to persons as to predictability. Statisticians may announce laws governing a large number of either atoms or persons but not for a single individual atom or person.

Is the Rutherford-Bohr atomic model still used after more than 100 years?

How do physicists explain that the electron, neutron and proton all have the same "angular momentum"?


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42:7.10 The first twenty-seven atoms, those containing from one to twenty-seven orbital electrons, are more easy of comprehension than the rest. From twenty-eight upward we encounter more and more of the unpredictability of the supposed presence of the Unqualified Absolute. But some of this electronic unpredictability is due to differential ultimatonic axial revolutionary velocities and to the unexplained “huddling” proclivity of ultimatons. Other influences—physical, electrical, magnetic, and gravitational—also operate to produce variable electronic behavior. Atoms therefore are similar to persons as to predictability. Statisticians may announce laws governing a large number of either atoms or persons but not for a single individual atom or person.
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If we assume from the UB narration above, that "The first twenty-seven atoms, those containing from one to twenty-seven orbital electrons," then one might also assume that they are in reference to the following elements:

01- Hydrogen
02- Helium
03- Lithium
04- Beryllium
05- Boron
06- Carbon
07- Nitrogen
08- Oxygen
09- Fluorine
10- Neon
11- Sodium
12- Magnesium
13- Aluminium
14- Silicon
15- Phosphorus
16- Sulfur
17- Chlorine
18- Argon
19- Potassium
20- Calcium
21- Scandium
22- Titanium
23- Vanadium
24- Chromium
25- Manganese
26- Iron
27- Cobalt

But, then it mentions -- "From twenty-eight upward we encounter more and more of the unpredictability of the supposed presence of the Unqualified Absolute."

This seems to have a contradiction presented within its text but, if one were to look at what Walter Russell presents in his representation of elements, as yet not discovered, we may assume that there may be a corelation in the narration that might make sense assuming a more complete elemental table?

01- ALPANON
02- IRENON
03- MARVAON
04- VIJAON
05- TOMION
06- ALBERTON
07- BLACTON
08- BOSTON
09- BETANON
10- JAMEARNON
11- ERNESTON
12- EYKAON
13- ATHENON
14- BARNARDON
15- DELPHANON
16- ROMANON
17- GAMMANON
18- MARCONIUM
19- PENRYNIUM
20- VINTON
21- QUENTIN
22- TRACION
23- BUZZEON
24- HELENINE
25- HYDRON
26- Hydrogen
27- ETHLOGEN
28- BEBEGEN
29- CARBOGEN
30- LUMINON
31- HALANON
32- HELIONON
33- Helium

This, assuming that Russell's presentation is correct and complete?
Also, those higlighted in red can be considered as having properties like "Noble gases".
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The noble gases make a group of chemical elements with similar properties; under standard conditions, they are all odorless, colorless, monatomic gases with very low chemical reactivity. The six noble gases that occur naturally are helium (He), neon (Ne), argon (Ar), krypton (Kr), xenon (Xe), and the radioactive radon (Rn). Oganesson (Og) [OMEGANON] is predicted to be a noble gas as well, but its chemistry has not yet been investigated.

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42:8.2 The interelectronic space of an atom is not empty. Throughout an atom this interelectronic space is activated by wavelike manifestations which are perfectly synchronized with electronic velocity and ultimatonic revolutions. This force is not wholly dominated by your recognized laws of positive and negative attraction; its behavior is therefore sometimes unpredictable. This unnamed influence seems to be a space-force reaction of the Unqualified Absolute.


It seems likely that the unpredictable force reactions around the nucleus would affect the electrons too. This may be where "uncertainty" arises in quantum mechanics and even the observations that an electron of an atom or molecule cannot be located precisely at one location at any moment. One name for that is Zitterbewegung.


These unpredictable force reactions may have some affect on electrons but, the predictable force reactions of mesotron are much more significant. Main stream science observes many of these mesotronic force reactions i.e. all atomic, subatomic, nuclear and sub-nuclear particles but they have no logical idea what is causing them or what could possibly be hold them all together. Understanding of the ultimatonic revolutions and electronic velocity of mesotron along with a new understanding of gravity will dispel any uncertainty in quantum mechanics. It is very simple but it isn't easy. It will take some work to, as Leonard Susskind put it, do a small rewire job. Mesotron contains the atom.

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Mesotron contains the atom.


Hi Gray,

How do you figure that? If the mesotron/pi meson works according to the way it is described by the revelators (and by Yukawa), I figure there must be approximately one pi meson for every neutron/proton pair.


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