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Just an additional note on the helicoid. Every single cell in our bodies have in their nucleus chromosomes that are coiled DNA, the essence of our physical bodies. DNA is a helicoid. It not only efficiently receives light, its molecular structure is also uniquely designed to emit light.

Our bodies, minds and souls are the light of the world. Now we have physical evidence that the helix is the way that light travels in our universe, thanks to Watson and Crick who discovered the DNA double helix in 1954.

The spiral of the light particle and its helical trajectory through space shines light in infinite directions, simultaneously.


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0:6.8 Mind is a phenomenon connoting the presence-activity of living ministry in addition to varied energy systems; and this is true on all levels of intelligence. In personality, mind ever intervenes between spirit and matter; therefore is the universe illuminated by three kinds of light: material light, intellectual insight, and spirit luminosity

 (3:2.3) Of all the divine attributes, his omnipotence, especially as it prevails in the material universe, is the best understood. Viewed as an unspiritual phenomenon, God is energy. This declaration of physical fact is predicated on the incomprehensible truth that the First Source and Center is the primal cause of the universal physical phenomena of all space. From this divine activity all physical energy and other material manifestations are derived. Light, that is, light without heat, is another of t he nonspiritual manifestations of the Deities. And there is still another form of nonspiritual energy which is virtually unknown on Urantia; it is as yet unrecognized.

(74:6.4) While cooking was universally employed outside of the immediate Adamic sector of Eden, there was no cooking in Adam's household. They found their foods—fruits, nuts, and cereals—ready prepared as they ripened. They ate once a day, shortly after noontime. Adam and Eve also imbibed "light and energy" direct from certain space emanations in conjunction with the ministry of the tree of life

(42:4.1) Light, heat, electricity, magnetism, chemism, energy, and matter are—in origin, nature, and destiny—one and the same thing, together with other material realities as yet undiscovered on Urantia.




Why haven't we detected these forms of undiscovered light energy?


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Thanks for the very appropriate quotes, nod.

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Why haven't we detected these forms of undiscovered light energy?


Great question! In my opinion, it is because we haven't looked. There are none so blind as those that will not see.



BTW, my bad in the previous post. Red blood cell are the exception to those cells that have nuclei. Red blood cell do not have a cellular nucleus.


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Allright, but we detected X-rays and I don’t think anyone was looking for them particularly, although I know nothing about how X-rays where discovered. If what the Urantia Book reveals about these undetected energies is true, shouldn't the scientific community, with all their billions of dollars worth of complex detecting equipment, have found something by now?

Maybe they're just playing with their billion dollar toys, milking the system, heaven forbid.

Nah, can't be.


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Allright, but we detected X-rays and I don’t think anyone was looking for them particularly, although I know nothing about how X-rays where discovered. If what the Urantia Book reveals about these undetected energies is true, shouldn't the scientific community, with all their billions of dollars worth of complex detecting equipment, have found something by now?


These are all valid questions and you may not like the answer to them because it is not entirely flattering to the scientific community. All too many times the business of science overtakes the doing of real science. You must realized that much of what passes for scientific inquiry is merely modeling and mathematical equations with no real physicality represented. There is a disturbing lack of real, sincere scientific inquiry with experimentation.

The scientific method has been too many times abrogated because it requires rigorous and continuous testing. More importantly, it requires the need to abandon cherished hypothesis that are not born out by the data and the discarding of unworkable models. The results of this non scientific approach has led to countless ad hoc theories and fixes that send the quest for truth down primrose paths. More times than not there is no turning back and starting from scratch because of the time and energy invested in a cherished theory. It has turned into a social science that recommends therapy for a couple contemplating divorce rather than admitting irreconcilable differences.

What if the Higgs particle is discovered? What is to be done with all of that expensive equipment? Ebay?


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Maybe they're just playing with their billion dollar toys, milking the system, heaven forbid.

Nah, can't be.


You're right nod, that would be unthinkable. :-#


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Maybe, when President Donald Trump finds out the answer to my question (he already knows) he will take care of them.

YOUR FIRED!

And 'Take away this one talent from this unprofitable servant and give it to him who has the ten talents.'


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it's probably something that doesn't react to linear gravity and is only weakly measureable

no doubt the incompetent and immature playboy will fire all the physicists in the world for not finding it


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Makalu wrote:
it's probably something that doesn't react to linear gravity and is only weakly measureable


There is a probability that we have already discovered these forces. Consider the CMB, the cosmic microwave background is the thermal radiation that is believed to be a relic of the Big Bang. The very sensitive radio telescope shows this background radiation that was discovered by accident in 1964, way after TUB was even published. Consider this quote from TUB.


15:4.1 While creation and universe organization remain forever under the control of the infinite Creators and their associates, the whole phenomenon proceeds in accordance with an ordained technique and in conformity to the gravity laws of force, energy, and matter. But there is something of mystery associated with the universal force-charge of space; we quite understand the organization of the material creations from the ultimatonic stage forward, but we do not fully comprehend the cosmic ancestry of the ultimatons. We are confident that these ancestral forces have a Paradise origin because they forever swing through pervaded space in the exact gigantic outlines of Paradise. Though nonresponsive to Paradise gravity, this force-charge of space, the ancestor of all materialization, does always respond to the presence of nether Paradise, being apparently circuited in and out of the nether Paradise center.

Could this force-charge of space (force blanket) be this CMB discovered in 1964? And As I have suggested before, the reason we see light radiating from its source in infinite (all) directions is that the light particle spirals and travels in a helix, like DNA, through this force-charge of space, creating ripples of waves that are detected as light. Spiral motions is identical to a helical motion in production of waves infinite directions at every succession of instants.


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it's possible we've discovered it but microwave radiation isn't new, it's electromagnetic radio waves and i think they're talking about segregata there...primordial pure energy...not sure thats within our paygrade either. i'm thinking the "unknown/unrecognized" energy would be an emergent energy maybe puissant?

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and forcible-reacting energy—gigantic energy systems set in motion by the activities of the primary force organizers. This primary or puissant energy is not at first definitely responsive to the Paradise-gravity pull though probably yielding an aggregate-mass or space directional response to the collective group of absolute influences operative from the nether side of Paradise. When energy emerges to the level of initial response to the circular and absolute-gravity grasp of Paradise, the primary force organizers give way to the functioning of their secondary associates.


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I don’t know if I should say this but maybe the reason why we can't detect this energy is because we, as a planet, haven't earned the right to. It sounds like the force organizers control how this energy is distributed and received.

If that's true, we might need to wait until somebody grows up enough spiritually to "turn on the lights" so the rest of us will be able to see what's hidden in the dark.


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Makalu wrote:
it's possible we've discovered it but microwave radiation isn't new, it's electromagnetic radio waves and i think they're talking about segregata there...primordial pure energy...not sure thats within our paygrade either. i'm thinking the "unknown/unrecognized" energy would be an emergent energy maybe puissant?


42:5.1 In the superuniverse of Orvonton there are one hundred octaves of wave energy. Of these one hundred groups of energy manifestations, sixty-four are wholly or partially recognized on Urantia. The sun's rays constitute four octaves in the superuniverse scale, the visible rays embracing a single octave, number forty-six in this series. The ultraviolet group comes next, while ten octaves up are the X rays, followed by the gamma rays of radium. Thirty-two octaves above the visible light of the sun are the outer-space energy rays so frequently commingled with their associated highly energized minute particles of matter. Next downward from visible sunlight appear the infrared rays, and thirty octaves below are the radio transmission group. *

0:6.11 ...Pattern may configure energy, but it does not control it. Gravity is the sole control of energy-matter. Neither space nor pattern are gravity responsive, but there is no relationship between space and pattern; space is neither pattern nor potential...

We human on Urantia call wave energy E/M waves. TUBs conspicuously does not use the word electromagnetism. I think, and it is my opinion, that the revelators did not agree with our theory of an E/M field. Especially when they clearly tell us that gravity is the only field when they state that Gravity is the sole control of energy-matter. And the following quote further reinforces my opinion.


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(42:4.1) Light, heat, electricity, magnetism, chemism, energy, and matter are—in origin, nature, and destiny—one and the same thing, together with other material realities as yet undiscovered on Urantia.


All of these things above are the same and they are all controlled by gravity. There is no E/M field; very troubling to the physicist but true nonetheless.


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More on the sorry state of physics: Gravity Waves.

In a renouncement of the existence of gravity waves, the mainstream physics community says:

"According to the equations physicists have settled on, gravitational waves compress space in one direction and stretch it in another as they travel outward."

This is in direct contradiction to TUB.

0:6.11 Pattern may configure energy, but it does not control it. Gravity is the sole control of energy-matter. Neither space nor pattern are gravity responsive, but there is no relationship between space and pattern; space is neither pattern nor potential pattern. Pattern is a configuration of reality which has already paid all gravity debt; the reality of any pattern consists of its energies, its mind, spirit, or material components.


This is what happens when physics relies on equations. Einstein's space could be curved, and it could be curved simply by applying the tensor calculus to it, which already contained curves. But the tensor calculus has no mechanism for stretching or compressing space, so not even GR could support it.

These scientists don't even try to fake the scientific method anymore. At the time of the latest announcement of the detection of gravity waves, The Guardian says,

"The findings completed the scientific arc of prediction, discovery and confirmation: first they calculated what they should be able to detect, then decided what the evidence should look like, and then devised the experiment that clinched the matter. Which is why on Thursday scientists around the world were able to hail the announcement as yet another confirmation of their 'standard model' of the cosmos, and beginning of a new era of discovery."


They missed something there, did they not? That isn't the "arc of science", is it? It is missing a couple of important steps. After deciding what the evidence might look like, they should be required to show that the evidence the have found is coming from the source they claim. In addition, they should be required to show that the evidence isn't coming from any other more likely sources. They have utterly failed to do either.

And yes, they want more grant money to support this research by these research methods. Many years ago my 6 year old son wanted money to buy a knife to do surgery on our dog.


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well the UB does discuss electric and magnetic fields in a number of places...along with the classic description here:

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The electronic charge creates an electric field; movement gives rise to an electric current; the current produces a magnetic field. When an electron is suddenly stopped, the resultant electromagnetic commotion produces the X ray; the X ray is that disturbance.


i dont read the "light, heat, chemism etc". passage as saying that energy and matter are the same....to be one and the same in origin, nature and destiny is not saying that they are the same...humans are the same in origin, nature and destiny too but we are not all the same. I only see it as a restatement of the conservation of energy and mass-energy equivalence...i think the only dispute physics would have there is light having mass.

the gravitational wave physicists are just working off the assumption that there must be a gravity particle...its a fair assumption since every form of energy we know of has a particle to carry it...and yeah the UB says its not correct...gravity is an instantaneous presence.


another clue regarding the undiscovered form of energy is given in the section on short gamma rays..."Accompanying these diverse radiations is a form of space-energy unknown on Urantia."


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Could it be that the source of these undiscovered energies that accompany the particles of light-energy be contained when light travels through space as "light without heat" before it explodes in reflection releasing its energy in the less efficient form of heat?

In other words, can we harness this greater form of energy (light without heat) somehow before it reflects in an explosion?


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toto wrote:
More on the sorry state of physics: Gravity Waves.

In a renouncement of the existence of gravity waves, the mainstream physics community says:

"According to the equations physicists have settled on, gravitational waves compress space in one direction and stretch it in another as they travel outward."

This is in direct contradiction to TUB.

0:6.11 Pattern may configure energy, but it does not control it. Gravity is the sole control of energy-matter. Neither space nor pattern are gravity responsive, but there is no relationship between space and pattern; space is neither pattern nor potential pattern. Pattern is a configuration of reality which has already paid all gravity debt; the reality of any pattern consists of its energies, its mind, spirit, or material components.

I'm curious, in that the UB narration above is in reference to the definition of "Pattern", and how "Gravity Waves" or "gravitational waves", neither is found in the UB, and how they relates to "gravity responsive" ? - The UB has presented many word symbols that would describe what science may have presented using other words, because these words, would be futuristic if used as they appear today, therefore, the creation and use of these word symbols in the UB must be translated and associated. Have you translated and associated these word symbols in the UB? If not, then your presentation of errors may be invalid?

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This is what happens when physics relies on equations. Einstein's space could be curved, and it could be curved simply by applying the tensor calculus to it, which already contained curves. But the tensor calculus has no mechanism for stretching or compressing space, so not even GR could support it.

These scientists don't even try to fake the scientific method anymore. At the time of the latest announcement of the detection of gravity waves, The Guardian says,

"The findings completed the scientific arc of prediction, discovery and confirmation: first they calculated what they should be able to detect, then decided what the evidence should look like, and then devised the experiment that clinched the matter. Which is why on Thursday scientists around the world were able to hail the announcement as yet another confirmation of their 'standard model' of the cosmos, and beginning of a new era of discovery."


They missed something there, did they not? That isn't the "arc of science", is it? It is missing a couple of important steps. After deciding what the evidence might look like, they should be required to show that the evidence the have found is coming from the source they claim. In addition, they should be required to show that the evidence isn't coming from any other more likely sources. They have utterly failed to do either.

I have highlighted the word "arc" above, because if one were to replace it with its meaning would indicate "curve", which would be more analogous to its use here, would it not?

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