Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:48 pm +0000
Riktare wrote:I would say no. Motion in space may sponsor energy repercussions that appear to be waves or ripples. But that is a fluctuation of the energy or force that is contained in space. It would really be worth looking at Nigel's presentation. He postulates that photons actually travel in straight lines in space where its content is undifferentiated, as the revelators say. But once a photon enters space containing a differentiated energy or charge, such as segregata, waves or ripples are created in that energy ocean.
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toto wrote:Nowhere does TUB state that the undifferentiated force blanket of all space ever becomes differentiated. I disagree with Nigel's postulate because it misleading as to what TUB actually says. A fusillade actually must travel in a helical trajectory because of the nature and geometry of space. This is the path of least time, and what is called the direct route from point A to point B. But in considering that space is hyperbolic, the helix is a straight line in this curved space. Waves and ripples are observed because of this helical trajectory and the fact that the light particle is breathing as it spins. This is called a spiral or vortex.
toto wrote:Now please talk about Maxwell and his vortex model, as this will get us closer to how he was on the right path and where he went wrong.
toto wrote:Particles of matter are vortices with axes of rotation, dipolar, with a tension stress between polar points. Linear gravity is the superposition of two spherical gravity fields originating at the polar points and forming a gravitation field that is precisely what we now consider a magnetic field.
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Riktare wrote:I don't think the "undifferentiated force blanket of all space" could have been written as just "space itself". There is a clear difference, if I understand the revelators. The "force blanket" is something that is contained in space. Space could theoretically be empty with no "force blanket".
(475.10) 42:5.14 The so-called ether is merely a collective name to designate a group of force and energy activities occurring in space. Ultimatons, electrons, and other mass aggregations of energy are uniform particles of matter, and in their transit through space they really proceed in direct lines. Light and all other forms of recognizable energy manifestations consist of a succession of definite energy particles which proceed in direct lines except as modified by gravity and other intervening forces. That these processions of energy particles appear as wave phenomena when subjected to certain observations is due to the resistance of the undifferentiated force blanket of all space, the hypothetical ether, and to the intergravity tension of the associated aggregations of matter. The spacing of the particle-intervals of matter, together with the initial velocity of the energy beams, establishes the undulatory appearance of many forms of energy-matter.
(476.1) 42:5.15 The excitation of the content of space produces a wavelike reaction to the passage of rapidly moving particles of matter, just as the passage of a ship through water initiates waves of varying amplitude and interval.
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(476.3) 42:6.1 While the space charge of universal force is homogeneous and undifferentiated, the organization of evolved energy into matter entails the concentration of energy into discrete masses of definite dimensions and established weight — precise gravity reaction.
Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:49 pm +0000
MidiChlorian wrote:(476.3) 42:6.1 While the space charge of universal force is homogeneous and undifferentiated, the organization of evolved energy into matter entails the concentration of energy into discrete masses of definite dimensions and established weight — precise gravity reaction.
Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:32 pm +0000
Riktare wrote:1. "they ever obey the linear-gravity pull inherent in material mass" - It appears that the revelators are referring to photons being deflecting by large masses as witnessed by the famous solar eclipse measurements made by Eddington that were used as evidence for General Relativity. Actually the experiment and measurements were an entire mess. In no way did they quantitatively support General Relativity. But they did clearly show that the photon's path was profoundly affected by the mass of the Sun.
Riktare wrote:2. That humans have so far not detected any general curvature to the paths of photons or other particles traveling through space probably indicates that the straight line path deviation due to Paradise gravity pull is so miniscule over the arc in our vicinity that it would be extremely difficult to measure and substantiate.
Riktare wrote:I was using the words "undifferentiated" and "differentiated" for other reasons than the authors. As you point out, when the force blanket is undisturbed, even if it is segregata it is an undifferentiated ocean. But that doesn't mean that there aren't a series of different energies and forces embedded therein. The paragraph you post does mention a "group" of forces after all. The revelators use the word "undifferentiated" to denote that there is no quantitive change in the space charge, energy or force from one point in space to another. It is effectively at rest and equilibrium. But remember the Power Directors and other beings can modify certain of the energies and forces within space, i.e. one but not necessary the other. That is what I mean by the term differentiated.
toto wrote:42:4.1 ...Light, heat, electricity, magnetism, chemism, energy, and matter are - in origin, nature, and destiny - one and the same thing, together with other material realities as yet undiscovered on Urantia....
Riktare wrote:On Physical Lines of Force was a fairly early work. He started his research under the mentorship of Lord Kelvin, William Thompson. Thompson was a champion of the vortex model. Maxwell deemphasized their usage in later work which was much more fully developed. His conception of "the hypothetical ether" and the various effects of its perturbation was far more complete by the time of his massive treatise.
Riktare wrote:Though I admire your creativity, claiming a thing does not make it so. I think you first need to demonstrate exactly how your proposal would work. There are software tools to work with, pen and paper to sketch things out, mathematical equations, even Legos or drone parts to play with...
Riktare wrote:Yes! This, I believe, is exactly what Nigel describes using the term "quantization". It's very interesting that the revelators paraphrase that activity as "precise gravity reaction".
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:45 pm +0000
toto wrote:can you substitute the electromagnetic wave equations of Maxwell's with a helical surface manifold?
Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:53 pm +0000
Riktare wrote:toto wrote:
can you substitute the electromagnetic wave equations of Maxwell's with a helical surface manifold?
No doubt you can, but the main question is how complicated both the mathematical expression of the constraints, and then the solution would be.
Riktare wrote:As you know, sinusoids have extremely mathematically beneficial features. They partition the solution space very, very nicely and conveniently because every frequency is orthogonal or independent from every other. And every possible phase of a sinusoid can be further partitioned into orthogonal sine and cosine components (real and imaginary components). Plus the fact that either the derivative or integral of either a sine or cosine function is the converse: a cosine function or a sine function of the same frequency.
Riktare wrote:So what you need to do is to partition your solution space somehow. If your generating function has a derivative that is exactly the same as the generating function, then you've kind of killed your chances of finding a simple partitioning.
Riktare wrote:One very general way to partition a solution space is to use the Wavelet concept. That doesn't require orthogonal generating functions. Instead the partitioning may be based on scale (which is analogous to frequency of sinusoidals). But using Wavelets normally requires a computer algorithm.
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toto wrote:The proton is the fully contracted version of the fully expanded electron, but it is one particle. They are about the same size because they are one but the one that is contracted (proton) and is much denser (fully charged) and heavier.
Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:11 pm +0000
Riktare wrote:I don't see how that could possibly be the case. A proton becomes a neutron after it has exchanged a pi meson (a mesotron it was orginally called). Electrons have very different properties and don't have any similiar capability. The electron's counterpart is the positron which has the same charge as a proton.
Riktare wrote:I feel as though I am wasting my time. I need to be straight to the point and say that my interest has expired 100%. I will not discuss these theories any more. But I will thank you very much for the information about Allais.