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Not true...but the correct term is defamation...of a group or organization....to be more precise. :roll:

Libel and Slander

Two torts that involve the communication of false information about a person, a group, or an entity such as a corporation. Libel is any Defamation that can be seen, such as a writing, printing, effigy, movie, or statue. Slander is any defamation that is spoken and heard.

Collectively known as defamation, libel and slander are civil wrongs that harm a reputation; decrease respect, regard, or confidence; or induce disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against an individual or entity. The injury to one's good name or reputation is affected through written or spoken words or visual images. The laws governing these torts are identical.


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Benjamins attacks and slanders notwithstanding, he still doesn't know a midwayer from an Agondontor.

It would seem that if one "slanders" something which is presented as truth, that is untrue, it would need to be proved that a falsehood exists, but then when this accusation is based on opinion or conjecture, both accuser and defendant, would be required to submit proof as to ascertain the error.

There is much information in the UB regarding a "midwayer", where the first assessment should be to distinguish between "primary" and "secondary". Although many individuals present themselves as "agondonter" but only as if this is a self proclaimed title or something of internal substance?
There is only one section of the UB which presents information on "agondonters", where in its presentation below, would also require more of a refined definition before they could be compared to "midwayers".

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7. The Rewards of Isolation

(578.6) 50:7.1 On first thought it might appear that Urantia and its associated isolated worlds are most unfortunate in being deprived of the beneficent presence and influence of such superhuman personalities as a Planetary Prince and a Material Son and Daughter. But isolation of these spheres affords their races a unique opportunity for the exercise of faith and for the development of a peculiar quality of confidence in cosmic reliability which is not dependent on sight or any other material consideration. It may turn out, eventually, that mortal creatures hailing from the worlds quarantined in consequence of rebellion are extremely fortunate. We have discovered that such ascenders are very early intrusted with numerous special assignments to cosmic undertakings where unquestioned faith and sublime confidence are essential to achievement.

(579.1) 50:7.2 On Jerusem the ascenders from these isolated worlds occupy a residential sector by themselves and are known as the agondonters, meaning evolutionary will creatures who can believe without seeing, persevere when isolated, and triumph over insuperable difficulties even when alone. This functional grouping of the agondonters persists throughout the ascension of the local universe and the traversal of the superuniverse; it disappears during the sojourn in Havona but promptly reappears upon the attainment of Paradise and definitely persists in the Corps of the Mortal Finality. Tabamantia is an agondonter of finaliter status, having survived from one of the quarantined spheres involved in the first rebellion ever to take place in the universes of time and space.

(579.2) 50:7.3 All through the Paradise career, reward follows effort as the result of causes. Such rewards set off the individual from the average, provide a differential of creature experience, and contribute to the versatility of ultimate performances in the collective body of the finaliters.

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Hope we can get this topic more focused. Thanks for your input Midi.....an agondonter is simply a form of Finaliter. A one time mortal from worlds isolated by rebellion amongst all other ascendant beings from time and space. You also bring up a good point requiring further definition.

It is my understanding that Benjamin's FB post is referring to dangers OF the UB....not dangers listed IN the UB. The text itself is what's claimed to be that which is dangerous. That danger appears to be identified and measured by the claim that the UB is a book delivered and edited by evil rebel forces (who also created Islam) and delivered the book to an evil world and it is read by evil people who mostly are "quick and ready to identify themselves with the most wicked elements in society - - violent crime, perversion, Islam, rebellion, wilful ignorance, and strenuous opposition to justice and righteousness. These UBers are characterized by the following: the inability to reason, lack of common sense, the inclination to exercise cruel and unjust tyranny over those who seek after justice and righteousness; and they readily flee from anything which they are incapable of refuting."; and yet, somehow, it is actually for those Masters of the Bible (as determined by the author no doubt) who can decode and translate hidden meanings intended only for those Masters, all of which is claimed to make the UB a "dangerous book".

Since then nod has fed us all a steady diet of equivocations wrapped in sophistry filled with obfuscations hoping to conceal this mendacious propaganda!! Much like a wolf in sheep's clothing to be clear. "I didn't say that. If I did say that, I didn't mean it. If I did say it and did mean it then I intended to say something else." yadayadayada The speech patterns of addicts, con artists, politicians, and all other forms of manipulators. Truly, the lack of sincerity and the amount of cleverness is very expressive and telling of motives and intentions on this topic by its presenters and defender.

nod has you convinced that he is trying to discuss and present the contents of the UB. He is not. He is defending (upon presenting) falsehoods, accusations, and ignorance of a most apparent variety....."....I would caution you to regard the Urantia Book as a dangerous book, one which will not lead and guide you to the everlasting presence of God."

nod's bread crumbs attempt to lead all away from the claims made....by his cousin....and by him and to convince us all what was said was not said or it doesn't mean what it says with the accusations that "we evil people" characterized by "the inability to reason" and a "lack of common sense" "who readily flee from anything which" we "are incapable of refuting".

So nod has now joined the select few who can "decode and translate hidden meanings". For one, I can hardly wait to hear what the UB really says according to those Masters who decode and translate this book.

What a crock!! :roll: :cry: :shock: :( :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)


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What a crock!! :roll: :cry: :shock: :( :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

Brad,

The Urantia Book says:

(52:6.6) Emotional maturity is essential to self-control.

(159:3.2) Always respect the personality of man. Never should a righteous cause be promoted by force; spiritual victories can be won only by spiritual power. This injunction against the employment of material influences refers to psychic force as well as to physical force. Overpowering arguments and mental superiority are not to be employed to coerce men and women into the kingdom. Man's mind is not to be crushed by the mere weight of logic or overawed by shrewd eloquence. While emotion as a factor in human decisions cannot be wholly eliminated, it should not be directly appealed to in the teachings of those who would advance the cause of the kingdom. Make your appeals directly to the divine spirit that dwells within the minds of men. Do not appeal to fear, pity, or mere sentiment. In appealing to men, be fair; exercise self-control and exhibit due restraint; show proper respect for the personalities of your pupils.


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Thanks for the sermon....and further obfuscations!

So, it is my inferiority we discuss and not your posted words and claims? Naturally.

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nodAmanaV wrote:

The Urantia Book says:

(52:6.6) Emotional maturity is essential to self-control.

(159:3.2) Always respect the personality of man. Never should a righteous cause be promoted by force; spiritual victories can be won only by spiritual power. This injunction against the employment of material influences refers to psychic force as well as to physical force. Overpowering arguments and mental superiority are not to be employed to coerce men and women into the kingdom. Man's mind is not to be crushed by the mere weight of logic or overawed by shrewd eloquence. While emotion as a factor in human decisions cannot be wholly eliminated, it should not be directly appealed to in the teachings of those who would advance the cause of the kingdom. Make your appeals directly to the divine spirit that dwells within the minds of men. Do not appeal to fear, pity, or mere sentiment. In appealing to men, be fair; exercise self-control and exhibit due restraint; show proper respect for the personalities of your pupils.


Rather than lecturing Brad (who has done nothing but pull the sheeps clothing away from your wolfish attempts to twist and distort various parts of the TUB), you would be doing a greater service by pointing this out to your cousin, who has published a diatribe with the title "The DANGERS of the Urantia Book".


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You're not lecturing me are you?

I wonder if that's due to the
"The DANGERS of the Urantia Book"?


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nodAmanaV wrote:
You're not lecturing me are you?



Not at all.


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Agon D. Onter wrote:
Rather than lecturing Brad (who has done nothing but pull the sheeps clothing away from your wolfish . . .

I didn't know fish had wool. Oh well.


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One way to define wheat from tares is to measure the amount of fear in either the words spoken/written or the motive of fear to say/write any words. Another way to measure one's motivation and intention is to weigh the self importance, self elevation in status/wisdom/knowledge/circle progress, etc., and the inherent result of vilifying or putting down others, especially as a "class" or group of people - this is known as bigotry or the assignment to all individuals in a group by what one may or may not have actually done/said, etc.

If we apply such a perspective to the words of Benjamins and nod, it is easy to discern the fear-element throughout the entire piece and its subsequent defense.

We are to FEAR the Dangers of the UB. We are to FEAR "most" of those who read and study the UB. We are to FEAR our own ignorance and lack of information or power to decipher and translate the UB without the proper keys. We are to FEAR rebel midwayers. We are to FEAR that universe and those deities who sponsored this evil book filled with lies. We are to FEAR Islam and our evil world and its evil leaders. We are to FEAR that the Most Highs are not in charge of the kingdom of humanity. We are to FEAR our future and destiny which our own misunderstanding or lack of knowledge might terminate. FEAR, FEAR, FEAR!

But not to worry....for there are those or there is that one who can save us all by their/his superior knowledge and skill and understanding, who can decipher the Bible and the Papers and tell us how to overcome this vast, universe conspiracy presented to us and to judge the status, motivations, and evil intentions of all others, especially Bible and UB readers!

Where is the hope? Where is the faith in God and his friendly universe? The perversion of the UB's message of hope, love, mercy, destiny, assistance, patience, and God's purpose, plan, power, and love for every single child of creation is so sad to see. Nod's defense of this reeking diatribe of fear demonstrates his own personal anxieties and fears and confirms his longstanding concerns about what others are or are not or should or should not be doing. This obsession with personal survival derives from a pitiful sense of fear and insecurity. But hey....at least he has his cousin to save him from the DANGERS of the UB and eternity. He does not appear to be taking the topic any too seriously though. But a review of his posts since arrival clearly demonstrate this fear embracing perspective. Sad.

The UB is a gift of knowledge to eliminate fear and the error/mind poison of fear and to then inspire the mind to seek out our loving and paternal God by reducing confusions and errors of perspective. It is an abomination to use this book to propagate fear and anxiety and doubt and uncertainty. Those who spread fear and doubt about God and his friendly universe would be wise to consider the Master's warning about the millstone.

Those who fear the ascension adventure are the tares in the field of agondonters. Pay no attention to those "behind the curtain" of fear, they have no power except that of deception and slight of hand!

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90:0.3 (986.3) Evolutionary religion is born of a simple and all-powerful fear, the fear which surges through the human mind when confronted with the unknown, the inexplicable, and the incomprehensible. Religion eventually achieves the profoundly simple realization of an all-powerful love, the love which sweeps irresistibly through the human soul when awakened to the conception of the limitless affection of the Universal Father for the sons of the universe. But in between the beginning and the consummation of religious evolution, there intervene the long ages of the shamans, who presume to stand between man and God as intermediaries, interpreters, and intercessors.


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Some words from the Master (as written in the UB) regarding those who fear God and the Jesusonian Gospel related thereto:

149:6.4 (1675.5) “Intelligent children do not fear their father in order that they may receive good gifts from his hand; but having already received the abundance of good things bestowed by the dictates of the father’s affection for his sons and daughters, these much loved children are led to love their father in responsive recognition and appreciation of such munificent beneficence. The goodness of God leads to repentance; the beneficence of God leads to service; the mercy of God leads to salvation; while the love of God leads to intelligent and freehearted worship.

149:6.5 (1675.6) “Your forebears feared God because he was mighty and mysterious. You shall adore him because he is magnificent in love, plenteous in mercy, and glorious in truth. The power of God engenders fear in the heart of man, but the nobility and righteousness of his personality beget reverence, love, and willing worship. A dutiful and affectionate son does not fear or dread even a mighty and noble father. I have come into the world to put love in the place of fear, joy in the place of sorrow, confidence in the place of dread, loving service and appreciative worship in the place of slavish bondage and meaningless ceremonies. But it is still true of those who sit in darkness that ‘the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.’ But when the light has more fully come, the sons of God are led to praise the Infinite for what he is rather than to fear him for what he does.

149:6.6 (1675.7) “When children are young and unthinking, they must necessarily be admonished to honor their parents; but when they grow older and become somewhat more appreciative of the benefits of the parental ministry and protection, they are led up, through understanding respect and increasing affection, to that level of experience where they actually love their parents for what they are more than for what they have done. The father naturally loves his child, but the child must develop his love for the father from the fear of what the father can do, through awe, dread, dependence, and reverence, to the appreciative and affectionate regard of love.

149:6.7 (1676.1) “You have been taught that you should ‘fear God and keep his commandments, for that is the whole duty of man.’ But I have come to give you a new and higher commandment. I would teach you to ‘love God and learn to do his will, for that is the highest privilege of the liberated sons of God.’ Your fathers were taught to ‘fear God — the Almighty King.’ I teach you, ‘Love God — the all-merciful Father.’

149:6.8 (1676.2) “In the kingdom of heaven, which I have come to declare, there is no high and mighty king; this kingdom is a divine family. The universally recognized and unreservedly worshiped center and head of this far-flung brotherhood of intelligent beings is my Father and your Father. I am his Son, and you are also his sons. Therefore it is eternally true that you and I are brethren in the heavenly estate, and all the more so since we have become brethren in the flesh of the earthly life. Cease, then, to fear God as a king or serve him as a master; learn to reverence him as the Creator; honor him as the Father of your spirit youth; love him as a merciful defender; and ultimately worship him as the loving and all-wise Father of your more mature spiritual realization and appreciation.


143:2.7 (1610.2) “Your sonship is grounded in faith, and you are to remain unmoved by fear. Your joy is born of trust in the divine word, and you shall not therefore be led to doubt the reality of the Father’s love and mercy. It is the very goodness of God that leads men into true and genuine repentance. Your secret of the mastery of self is bound up with your faith in the indwelling spirit, which ever works by love. Even this saving faith you have not of yourselves; it also is the gift of God. And if you are the children of this living faith, you are no longer the bondslaves of self but rather the triumphant masters of yourselves, the liberated sons of God.

142:0.2 (1596.2) The first day in Jerusalem Jesus called upon his friend of former years, Annas, the onetime high priest and relative of Salome, Zebedee’s wife. Annas had been hearing about Jesus and his teachings, and when Jesus called at the high priest’s home, he was received with much reserve. When Jesus perceived Annas’s coldness, he took immediate leave, saying as he departed: “Fear is man’s chief enslaver and pride his great weakness; will you betray yourself into bondage to both of these destroyers of joy and liberty?” .........

Me here: The great DANGERs listed in the Papers include the chief enslaver - FEAR - and the great weakness - PRIDE. That posted by nod here is filled with both. And thusly, by its own words, there can be no truth and no defense for its words or its presentation or its support. Fear Not!

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nodAmanaV wrote:
The harder you struggle to describe what you don't know, the more you become what isn't true.


Well...you should know Enno!

Wondering if you still promote the DANGERS of the URANTIA BOOK?

A lesson in motive and agenda. I recall a teaching that the extent of the defense of any proposition is the inverse of its truth content...or something similar? Confirmation of your post above I think.

I have found over the years here that great DANGER does attend the study of the UB and the community of UB students: and that DANGER is threefold. First are the enemies of the Revelation; those dedicated to the torment and termination of the community and those who think it is the work of the devil and its believers to be fools in darkness or their cousins who come to distort and contradict the UB with false claims, declarations, fables, superstitions, misconceptions, and other confoundments of the Revelation who wish to revise it or interpret its hidden codes and meanings, revealing their own ignorance and prejudice.

Second is those who, no matter their understanding or appreciation of the Revelation, feel entitled to determine the spiritual standing and worthiness of others and waste much time telling others what they are and are not doing and what they should and should not be doing or what they are or not believing but should or should not be believing, filled with the arrogance of spiritual pride and superiority but truly demonstrating their own ignorance and prejudice.

Third are those members of the student community who sit silently, if politely, hoping to avoid any conflict with such wolves. Or worse, those who invite them in and serve them tea and crumpets while they torment truth...and abuse such hospitality. Where are we taught passive submission to priests and the enemies of truth?!

May our community never be silent when confronted. And as this topic proves, we are often so confronted.

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Wow, it took two years for you to reply?

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I know I have added some tares to this field...

those who intentionally sow such tares are an enemy of truth!! They are they ones in danger!

Thank you for enlightening everyone about yourself Bradly by putting on display the heart of the deeper meaning and purpose of this thread.


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Greetings Enno! Yes, some ponderments take longer than others! :D

Actually I am still keen to hear you articulate the "deeper meaning and purpose of this thread". And how I might have displayed those. I look forward to that. The topic has been a real trender these past two years!

Glad you are here! What are the "DANGERS OF THE URANTIA BOOK" again?

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