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Wow , great stuff all 8)

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''In this experience the two angelic natures, so complemental in all universe functions, achieve ultimate spirit two-in-oneness, repercussing in a new capacity for the reception of, and fusion with, a non-Adjuster fragment of the Paradise Father.''

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...''a non-Adjuster fragment of the Paradise Father.''

Just what IS or would be considerd ...

''a non-Adjuster fragment of the Paradise Father.'' :?:
Good question Coop.

Clearly of all the things the Urantia Book reveals, what wets the whiste most is what it doesn't reveal right?


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Would they be considerd as Father-fused. Son-fused ,

Or Spirit-fused?

Albeit their Not Mortals?

Paper 40

The Ascending Sons of God

40:0.1 (443.1) AS IN many of the major groups of universe beings, seven general classes of the Ascending Sons of God have been revealed:

40:0.2 (443.2) 1. Father-fused Mortals.

40:0.3 (443.3) 2. Son-fused Mortals.

40:0.4 (443.4) 3. Spirit-fused Mortals.

40:0.5 (443.5) 4. Evolutionary Seraphim.

40:0.6 (443.6) 5. Ascending Material Sons.

40:0.7 (443.7) 6. Translated Midwayers.

40:0.8 (443.8) 7. Personalized Adjusters.


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Hey coop!!!

They are Father fused. A Father fragment that is not a TA is still another form of Father endowment. Since the TA's are trained to minister specifically to material minds, I assume, by the quote, there are other fragments with other ministries for such needs.

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31:4.1 (348.6) Many of the faithful seraphic guardians of mortals are permitted to go through the ascendant career with their human wards, and many of these guardian angels, after becoming Father fused, join their subjects in taking the finaliter oath of eternity and forever accept the destiny of their mortal associates. Angels who pass through the ascending experience of mortal beings may share the destiny of human nature; they may equally and eternally be mustered into this Corps of the Finality. Large numbers of the adopted and glorified seraphim are attached to the various nonmortal finaliter corps.


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Thanks Brother 8)

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We are taught the law of reciprocity related to our personal choices and our, social/cultural collective choices and how the mind ministry is a function of the 3 primary spirit ministries plus the gravity circuits and that our world (every material world) is ministered through the mortal epochs by the Most Highs, seraphim, and other agents of ministry.

But the Supreme also experiencing an ever growing power in its ministry of cause and effect in time and space. I wonder how that is manifested at the material world level or the mind level?

117:0.4 (1278.4) The parts and individuals of the grand universe evolve as a reflection of the total evolution of the Supreme, while in turn the Supreme is the synthetic cumulative total of all grand universe evolution. From the mortal viewpoint both are evolutionary and experiential reciprocals.

117:1.4 (1279.2) The will of the Creator and the will of the creature are qualitatively different, but they are also experientially akin, for creature and Creator can collaborate in the achievement of universe perfection. Man can work in liaison with God and thereby cocreate an eternal finaliter. God can work even as humanity in the incarnations of his Sons, who thereby achieve the supremacy of creature experience.

117:1.5 (1279.3) In the Supreme Being, Creator and creature are united in one Deity whose will is expressive of one divine personality. And this will of the Supreme is something more than the will of either creature or Creator, even as the sovereign will of the Master Son of Nebadon is now something more than a combination of the will of divinity and humanity. The union of Paradise perfection and time-space experience yields a new meaning value on deity levels of reality.

117:1.6 (1279.4) The evolving divine nature of the Supreme is becoming a faithful portrayal of the matchless experience of all creatures and of all Creators in the grand universe. In the Supreme, creatorship and creaturehood are at one; they are forever united by that experience which was born of the vicissitudes attendant upon the solution of the manifold problems which beset all finite creation as it pursues the eternal path in quest of perfection and liberation from the fetters of incompleteness.

117:3.7 (1282.2) This is somewhat like the way in which the Supreme Being expands. His sovereignty grows in and out of the acts and achievements of the Supreme Creator Personalities; that is the evolution of the majesty of his power as the ruler of the grand universe. His deity nature is likewise dependent on the pre-existent unity of the Paradise Trinity. But there is still another aspect to the evolution of God the Supreme: He is not only Creator-evolved and Trinity-derived; he is also self-evolved and self-derived. God the Supreme is himself a volitional, creative participant in his own deity actualization. The human morontial soul is likewise a volitional, cocreative partner in its own immortalization.

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The Supreme was one of the most radical of all concepts I discovered in the Papers...and the most replete and logical of concepts as well....the God of experience...more accurately, the God of experiential potential!

One must thusly consider that at some point in "time", God the Supreme was more potential than actualized and at some other point, God the Supreme was more actualized or eventuated than potential and that at some future time, the Supreme will fully express the finality of the seven superuniverses settlement in Light and Life.

By example, we are told that our local system is only about 2/3's "inhabited" to its target of 1000 such worlds. I do not know how that relates to our local universe or superuniverse relative to the age and development point of the 7 trillion inhabited worlds that are planned in all 7 superuniverses...but my guess is we're well over half way in actual achievement of the targeted number of inhabited planets....pure guess work on my part.

One point of interest is how increased actualization also increases potential...the effect of cause is further cause for additional effect...it becomes a self feeding loop of both further actualization and greater potential.

My ponderment is about the effects this aggregation and integration of time and space experience has on the universes and on the material world's ministry. We are taught that only soul-worthy positives go to the Supreme....never the evil and sin responses of any creature or mind. The Supreme is a distiller and distillation of everything good, true, and beautiful experienced by every creature in the 7 superuniverses. The Supreme "acts" in time and space....not merely some repository and integrator of experience...but also volitional as a primary "cause" and not simply an effect of the cause of experience.

How does the Supreme effect us, our world, and the universes in this experiential phase of creation and perfecting?

115:3.12 (1262.9) From a creature’s viewpoint, actuality is substance, potentiality is capacity. Actuality exists centermost and expands therefrom into peripheral infinity; potentiality comes inward from the infinity periphery and converges at the center of all things. Originality is that which first causes and then balances the dual motions of the cycle of reality metamorphosis from potentials to actuals and the potentializing of existing actuals.

115:3.15 (1263.2) Actuality (of Deity) is what man seeks in the Paradise ascent. Potentiality (of human divinity) is what man evolves in that search. The Original is what makes possible the coexistence and integration of man the actual, man the potential, and man the eternal.

115:3.16 (1263.3) The final dynamics of the cosmos have to do with the continual transfer of reality from potentiality to actuality. In theory, there may be an end to this metamorphosis, but in fact, such is impossible since the Potential and the Actual are both encircuited in the Original (the I AM), and this identification makes it forever impossible to place a limit on the developmental progression of the universe. Whatsoever is identified with the I AM can never find an end to progression since the actuality of the potentials of the I AM is absolute, and the potentiality of the actuals of the I AM is also absolute. Always will actuals be opening up new avenues of the realization of hitherto impossible potentials — every human decision not only actualizes a new reality in human experience but also opens up a new capacity for human growth. The man lives in every child, and the morontia progressor is resident in the mature God-knowing man.

115:3.18 (1263.5) From a circumscribed view there are, indeed, many ends, many terminations of activities, but from a larger viewpoint on a higher universe level, there are no endings, merely transitions from one phase of development to another. The major chronicity of the master universe is concerned with the several universe ages, the Havona, the superuniverse, and the outer universe ages. But even these basic divisions of sequence relationships cannot be more than relative landmarks on the unending highway of eternity.

115:6.4 (1265.5) The Supreme not only grows as the Creators and creatures of the evolving universes attain to Godlikeness, but this finite Deity also experiences growth as a result of the creature and Creator mastery of the finite possibilities of the grand universe. The motion of the Supreme is twofold: intensively toward Paradise and Deity and extensively toward the limitlessness of the Absolutes of potential.

115:6.5 (1265.6) In the present universe age this dual motion is revealed in the descending and ascending personalities of the grand universe. The Supreme Creator Personalities and all their divine associates are reflective of the outward, diverging motion of the Supreme, while the ascending pilgrims from the seven superuniverses are indicative of the inward, converging trend of Supremacy.

115:7.5 (1266.6) The Paradise Trinity is considered to be the absolute inevitability; the Seven Master Spirits are apparently Trinity inevitabilities; the power-mind-spirit-personality actualization of the Supreme must be the evolutionary inevitability.

115:7.6 (1266.7) God the Supreme does not appear to have been inevitable in unqualified infinity, but he seems to be on all relativity levels. He is the indispensable focalizer, summarizer, and encompasser of evolutionary experience, effectively unifying the results of this mode of reality perception in his Deity nature. And all this he appears to do for the purpose of contributing to the appearance of the inevitable eventuation, the superexperience and superfinite manifestation of God the Ultimate.

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31:10.12 (353.8) During the present universe age the evolving personalities of the grand universe suffer many difficulties due to the incomplete actualization of the sovereignty of God the Supreme, but we are all sharing the unique experience of his evolution. We evolve in him and he evolves in us. Sometime in the eternal future the evolution of Supreme Deity will become a completed fact of universe history, and the opportunity to participate in this wonderful experience will have passed from the stage of cosmic action.

31:10.15 (354.1) But though we really know nothing about the plans of the Architects of the Master Universe respecting these outer creations, nevertheless, of three things we are certain:

31:10.16 (354.2) 1. There actually is a vast and new system of universes gradually organizing in the domains of outer space. New orders of physical creations, enormous and gigantic circles of swarming universes upon universes far out beyond the present bounds of the peopled and organized creations, are actually visible through your telescopes. At present, these outer creations are wholly physical; they are apparently uninhabited and seem to be devoid of creature administration.

31:10.17 (354.3) 2. For ages upon ages there continues the unexplained and wholly mysterious Paradise mobilization of the perfected and ascendant beings of time and space, in association with the six other finaliter corps.

31:10.18 (354.4) 3. Concomitantly with these transactions the Supreme Person of Deity is powerizing as the almighty sovereign of the supercreations.

31:10.19 (354.5) As we view this triune development, embracing creatures, universes, and Deity, can we be criticized for anticipating that something new and unrevealed is approaching culmination in the master universe? Is it not natural that we should associate this agelong mobilization and organization of physical universes on such a hitherto unknown scale and the personality emergence of the Supreme Being with this stupendous scheme of upstepping the mortals of time to divine perfection and with their subsequent mobilization on Paradise in the Corps of the Finality — a designation and destiny enshrouded in universe mystery? It is increasingly the belief of all Uversa that the assembling Corps of the Finality are destined to some future service in the universes of outer space, where we already are able to identify the clustering of at least seventy thousand aggregations of matter, each of which is greater than any one of the present superuniverses.

Ahhhh....the eternal adventure....begins here.....and now!!

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Greetings Brad,

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But the Supreme also experiencing an ever growing power in its ministry of cause and effect in time and space. I wonder how that is manifested at the material world level or the mind level?


Personally, I'm convinced that the Supreme is manifested in our minds as the mind of Christ, and in our lives as the Spirit of Truth. Jesus, our Master Michael, is now a full revelation of the Supreme, and he lives within us. I don't think it's a big mystery. He is the only person in all of Nebadon who has unlimited capacity to experience the reality of the Supreme and to share it. He is the way for us to experience the same. The Adjuster is the secret of realization of the reality of the Supreme and the Spirit of Truth is a revelation of the Adjuster's secret, so that puts Jesus, or the Spirit of Truth, at the crux of it all for us here on earth.

Also, I prefer to think of the Supreme, not as cause and effect, but as divine potentials becoming actuals through personality choice. I think it has more to do with personality self-realization than cause and effect, which is a karma type thing. Personality realization is a spiritual phenomenon involving volition (personality and power).

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Karma, like reincarnation, are distortions of the true teachings of Melchezidek:

94:3.5 (1030.5) The karma principle of causality continuity is, again, very close to the truth of the repercussional synthesis of all time-space actions in the Deity presence of the Supreme; but this postulate never provided for the co-ordinate personal attainment of Deity by the individual religionist, only for the ultimate engulfment of all personality by the Universal Oversoul.

Response and choice have repurcussions - personally, socially, and universally (the latter is only affected by the positive and worthy choices).

Notice the phrase "casuality continuity" as the echo effect or reverberation of consequential result and their additive effect to further cause and further effect. I think, still, that the Supreme offers an example of a vortex or fulcrum of both the effect of cause and the cause of effect in circuit throughout time and space and that feedback loop is increasing, daily, in power and potential for additional power. It is more than evolutionary as the Supreme is also a form of aggregation, unification, integration.....and expression of all that by a personality of Deity.

I am grateful for your comment: "I'm convinced that the Supreme is manifested in our minds as the mind of Christ, and in our lives as the Spirit of Truth. Jesus, our Master Michael, is now a full revelation of the Supreme, and he lives within us."

Makes sense. I think I know where to find corroborating text! 8)


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101:6.5 (1112.1) Christ Michael, when bestowed on Urantia, lived under the reign of evolutionary religion up to the time of his baptism. From that moment up to and including the event of his crucifixion he carried forward his work by the combined guidance of evolutionary and revealed religion. From the morning of his resurrection until his ascension he traversed the manifold phases of the morontia life of mortal transition from the world of matter to that of spirit. After his ascension Michael became master of the experience of Supremacy, the realization of the Supreme; and being the one person in Nebadon possessed of unlimited capacity to experience the reality of the Supreme, he forthwith attained to the status of the sovereignty of supremacy in and to his local universe.

101:6.6 (1112.2) With man, the eventual fusion and resultant oneness with the indwelling Adjuster — the personality synthesis of man and the essence of God — constitute him, in potential, a living part of the Supreme and insure for such a onetime mortal being the eternal birthright of the endless pursuit of finality of universe service for and with the Supreme.

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Greetings Brad,

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Notice the phrase "casuality continuity" as the echo effect or reverberation of consequential result and their additive effect to further cause and further effect.


In regards to the phrase "causality continuity" and karma, I believe they are referring to the material level of reality only. The Supreme involves much more. The phrase shows up once more in Paper 101 (see below), as a material level phenomenon, and hence only partial. The Paper goes on to explain that only through morontia insight can man break the bonds of causality.

The material level of law provides for causality continuity, the unending response of effect to antecedent action; the mind level suggests the perpetuation of ideational continuity, the unceasing flow of conceptual potentiality from pre-existent conceptions. But neither of these levels of the universe discloses to the inquiring mortal an avenue of escape from partiality of status and from the intolerable suspense of being a transient reality in the universe, a temporal personality doomed to be extinguished upon the exhaustion of the limited life energies. 101:10:3

Perhaps you recall the "causation" level of reality in Paper 16. It is a level of physical reality:

1. Causation — the reality domain of the physical senses, the scientific realms of logical uniformity, the differentiation of the factual and the nonfactual, reflective conclusions based on cosmic response. This is the mathematical form of the cosmic discrimination. 16:6:6

We can free ourselves from the fetters of causation because we have personality and free will. We can break the bonds of cause and effect within our inner lives, our minds and souls. The mind is free to observe cause and effect, which means it is capable of being outside of it, and in control of it. And that is because of the phenomenon of personality and self-consciousness. We can control our own minds. It is the power of this control which belongs to the personality (power-personality synthesis), which is evolving the Supreme.

You cannot completely control the external world — environment. It is the creativity of the inner world that is most subject to your direction because there your personality is so largely liberated from the fetters of the laws of antecedent causation. There is associated with personality a limited sovereignty of will.111:4:8

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While the laws of causality and reciprocity do indeed abide in the laws of physics, they also attend the thinking process and personal results of motive, intent, and priority...as well as choice and act. Thoughts may corrupt as well as uplift. The study of karma demonstrates that fear results in suffering and love brings the fruits of the spirit....cause and effect. Thinking brings repurcussive effects too. This universal law is the spiritual reality that all thoughts bring us closer to Spirit or moves us away from Spirit and those results are the effect caused by the mind itself. And this law of reciprocity, cause and effect, is beyond the physical laws or physics but is no less uniform and certain in its application on soul and mind I think.

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53:2.2 (602.5) There were no peculiar or special conditions in the system of Satania which suggested or favored rebellion. It is our belief that the idea took origin and form in Lucifer’s mind, and that he might have instigated such a rebellion no matter where he might have been stationed. Lucifer first announced his plans to Satan, but it required several months to corrupt the mind of his able and brilliant associate. However, when once converted to the rebel theories, he became a bold and earnest advocate of “self-assertion and liberty.”

53:2.3 (602.6) No one ever suggested rebellion to Lucifer. The idea of self-assertion in opposition to the will of Michael and to the plans of the Universal Father, as they are represented in Michael, had its origin in his own mind.....

140:6.5 (1576.5) “You have heard the teachers of the law say, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that every man who looks upon a woman with intent to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. You can only judge men by their acts, but my Father looks into the hearts of his children and in mercy adjudges them in accordance with their intents and real desires.”


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I think that reality alignment and dis-alignment each brings a different effect by the cause of alignment or lack of alignment and these effects are universal. The more "real" our motives and choices, the more aligned the result...and vice versa. Choices are affected by the results of prior choices as we gain growth, experience, and wisdom to make better choices because they bring better results. Cause and effect is not limited to physicality but is a powerful force throughout all levels of universe reality. Mind poisons poison and result in negative effects; love liberates and brings the fruits of the spirit....cause and effect...for further cause and effect.

101:10.7 (1117.1) Religion effectually cures man’s sense of idealistic isolation or spiritual loneliness; it enfranchises the believer as a son of God, a citizen of a new and meaningful universe. Religion assures man that, in following the gleam of righteousness discernible in his soul, he is thereby identifying himself with the plan of the Infinite and the purpose of the Eternal. Such a liberated soul immediately begins to feel at home in this new universe, his universe.

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Greetings Brad,

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This universal law is the spiritual reality that all thoughts bring us closer to Spirit or moves us away from Spirit and those results are the effect caused by the mind itself. And this law of reciprocity, cause and effect, is beyond the physical laws or physics but is no less uniform and certain in its application on soul and mind I think.


Is there a universal law that says all thoughts either bring us closer or farther from God due to mind itself? I think you forgot about free will. Mind itself cannot bring us closer or farther from God unless it's pure mind, infinite mind, and responding to mind gravity alone (see 9:6:6 below). Human mind requires action; thoughts must be acted upon before there's movement toward or away from God (reality). Choices have to be made. It's all about the decisions: decisions, decisions and more decisions that bring us closer to God in the psychic circles of personality realization.

Cosmic mind, when not associated with either energy or spirit, is subject to the gravity demands of neither material nor spiritual circuits. Pure mind is subject only to the universal gravity grasp of the Conjoint Actor. Pure mind is close of kin to infinite mind, and infinite mind (the theoretical co-ordinate of the absolutes of spirit and energy) is apparently a law in itself. 9:6:6

It is true that harboring unspiritual thoughts in the mind, that is, choosing to hold onto them and engage them, hampers the Thought Adjuster in his effort to spiritualize thoughts. But again, that is free will choosing to think in a way that resists growth. The quote that comes to mind is 1:3:7 (see below), which indicates that mind subservient to matter becomes increasingly material. Although that sounds like cause and effect, it is not just a mechanical phenomenon. The word "subservient" means to obey. Choosing to obey material-mindedness rather than spiritual reality does have a price, but it absolutely must be consciously and willingly chosen.

The technique of survival is embraced in those adjustments of the human will and those transformations in the mortal mind whereby such a God-conscious intellect gradually becomes spirit taught and eventually spirit led. This evolution of the human mind from matter association to spirit union results in the transmutation of the potentially spirit phases of the mortal mind into the morontia realities of the immortal soul. Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction; mind yielded to spirit is destined to become increasingly spiritual and ultimately to achieve oneness with the surviving and guiding divine spirit and in this way to attain survival and eternity of personality existence. 1:3:7

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I think that reality alignment and dis-alignment each brings a different effect by the cause of alignment or lack of alignment and these effects are universal.


No, I don't think that's exactly true. Free-will choice does not result in universal cause and effect. Human free will is severely limited and not universal in scope (see 118:8:1 and 118:9:2 below). Recall that all volition is relative (see 118:6:4 below).

All volition is relative.118:6:4  
In the time-space creations, free will is hedged about with restraints, with limitations.118:8:1
Man does not have unfettered free will; there are limits to his range of choice, but within the radius of this choice his will is relatively sovereign. 118:9:2


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Choices are affected by the results of prior choices as we gain growth, experience, and wisdom to make better choices because they bring better results.


You've been beating this drum quite a lot, but I think you're really talking about the consequences of our actions, not the cause and effect of our minds alone. As I said before, personality has the ability to observe itself; it can choose its own mental environment, or attitude. Human personality is not a machine dependent upon cause and effect. Humans are not stuck with animal minds that learn by trial and error, we have personality. Personality is liberated from antecedent causation; it can choose something not based upon previous cause and effect. Personality allows the mind to observe itself, to think about the effects without creating a cause. We humans don't have to stick our hand in the fire to understand that burns are the result; we can reason. Wisdom is not totally dependent upon an endless loop of cause and effect. It's a fine point, a split-hair, but an important one, I think.

In all honesty, are you fully cognizant of all the results of your choices? Chances are you are only aware of a very limited amount, and even then, are you sure you've interpreted those results accurately? Dissecting your life by analyzing causes and effects, then choosing the ones you like because you think they're better can be a sinkhole of self-delusion. You may think you're doing God's will, but are you? You could be picking and choosing causes and effects to suit a warped view of reality, and not even realize it.

All I can say is that if the choices I have today are entirely dependent upon the choices I made yesterday, then there is no hope. I'm doomed. But I know that I do have the opportunity to change my decisions on any number of topics regardless of what I did yesterday. Today is a new day, I can change the direction of my life with a simple willingness to discover new insight into God's will. There is no end to opportunity for growth and service, and God does not punish me for past mistakes, errors of judgment or erroneous thinking.

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I don't think we are so far apart on this. My choice today is not dependent upon the choices of yesterday. Of course there is free will...adaptation, insight, intuition, experience, wisdom...all such growth is a reflection of free will and personal volition at work.

But the Master did say: "But I say to you that every man who looks upon a woman with intent to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Such thoughts bring results, no? And without any "act". Such "lust" or "fear", etc. brings reciprocal results to the mind. And yes, I think there is a "law" and teaching that all thoughts bring us closer or....not. The Master said we are either moving closer to or further away from God with every decision as I recall. Action is but the completion of decisions...but the "intent" above has already determined consequences to the mind with such intent.

110:3.2 (1205.6) The success of your Adjuster in the enterprise of piloting you through the mortal life and bringing about your survival depends not so much on the theories of your beliefs as upon your decisions, determinations, and steadfast faith. All these movements of personality growth become powerful influences aiding in your advancement because they help you to co-operate with the Adjuster; they assist you in ceasing to resist.

110:6.6 (1210.1) Every decision you make either impedes or facilitates the function of the Adjuster; likewise do these very decisions determine your advancement in the circles of human achievement. It is true that the supremacy of a decision, its crisis relationship, has a great deal to do with its circle-making influence; nevertheless, numbers of decisions, frequent repetitions, persistent repetitions, are also essential to the habit-forming certainty of such reactions.

Me here: "....certainty of such reactions." clearly indicates that motives, intentions, priorities, and decisions based on those do have a repurcusive effect on the mind who harbors them...for good or for evil....there is an effect. Spirit and mind gravity circuits respond to such decisions and underlying motives. It's not "universal" cause and effect - it is personal cause and effect upon the mind itself according TO universal laws of reciprocity...it's not the effect ON the universe but the effect of universe law on the mind itself.

As to "punishment"....are we punished because gravity causes mass to fall to earth? No. It is a reciprocal affect of mass and gravity. God does not punish personally but he has established universal laws of cause and effect. The one above who lusts is not punished any more by taking the act than by thinking the thought....thinking has results to the mind thinking. I don't find the issue controversial. This is why, on another thread, I discussed the same issue as not being so focused on "what" we do as "why" we do it....what we do is caused by why we do/choose what we choose or decide and the motive/heart underlying the choice. We may always choose differently and different choices bring different results....the fruits of the spirit are one element to the universal laws of reciprocity...cause and effect.

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