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I think it's clear that not everyone alive today will accept survival. They key factor in refusing survival is it must be a wholehearted and conscious decision made repeatedly against God's will. Once that decision is finally made I don't think they show you the glories of heaven to see if you want to change your mind. Once the Adjuster decides there is nothing for him to work with, he leaves and never comes back. The only hope for reality for that individual is gone forever.

Iniquity is defined as ". . . the willful, determined, and persistent transgression of the divine law, the Father's will. Iniquity is the measure of the continued rejection of the Father's loving plan of personality survival and the Sons' merciful ministry of salvation."(148:4:5) Iniquity makes you unreal and therefore unable to continue in the real world of the spirit. People make themselves unreal, God doesn't have anything to do with it. God honors free will, and when he's sure that he's not wanted, he leaves. When there's no soul to live in, he has nowhere to stay, so he goes. Then, that person is caput, no identity, totally unreal and gone too.

One error of human thinking respecting these problems consists in the idea that all evolutionary mortals on an evolving planet would choose to enter upon the Paradise career if sin had not cursed their world. The ability to decline survival does not date from the times of the Lucifer rebellion. Mortal man has always possessed the endowment of freewill choice regarding the Paradise career. 54:6:9

What I tried to explain in an earlier post is that yes, everyone makes it to the mansion worlds. Some souls get there on the third day, others have to wait for a dispensational roll call. Everyone makes it to the mansion worlds but not everyone wakes up once they get there. The initial decision for either survival or non-survival is made on the mansion worlds.

Thus are the sleeping survivors of a planetary age repersonalized in the dispensational roll calls. But with regard to the nonsalvable personalities of a realm, no immortal spirit is present to function with the group guardians of destiny, and this constitutes cessation of creature existence. While some of your records have pictured these events as taking place on the planets of mortal death, they all really occur on the mansion worlds. 49:6:7

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Hi Brad,

Without belaboring this issue more than necessary, I wonder if you might address something that quil eluded to earlier, that few actually survive this mortal life, disturbing as it is if true. Before I go further with this I want to make it clear that if it's true I won't be surprised if I am among those who don't make it. It's God's creation and if the requirements are so demanding as to be hidden even from the relatively enlightened, so be it. Honestly I'm not sure how to feel about this because for a very long time I was sure that all make it to the mansions, even the despicable. But the more time goes by, the more I'm beginning to have my doubts. Indulge me won't you?

There are two places in the text that say very clearly that the majority doesn't make it, and that few do.

160:1.5 Animals respond nobly to the urge of life, but only man can attain the art of living, albeit the majority of mankind only experience the animal urge to live. Animals know only this blind and instinctive urge; man is capable of transcending this urge to natural function. Man may elect to live upon the high plane of intelligent art, even that of celestial joy and spiritual ecstasy. Animals make no inquiry into the purposes of life; therefore they never worry, neither do they commit suicide.

If the majority of mankind only experience the animal urge to live, then are too few living by the urge for real spiritual experience?

166:3.3) "You also have another saying among you, and one that contains much truth: That the way which leads to eternal life is straight and narrow, that the door which leads thereto is likewise narrow so that, of those who seek salvation, few can find entrance through this door. You also have a teaching that the way which leads to destruction is broad, that the entrance thereto is wide, and that there are many who choose to go this way. And this proverb is not without its meaning. But I declare that salvation is first a matter of your personal choosing. Even if the door to the way of life is narrow, it is wide enough to admit all who sincerely seek to enter, for I am that door. And the Son will never refuse entrance to any child of the universe who, by faith, seeks to find the Father through the Son

He said: "of those who seek salvation, few can find entrance through this door".

Why would Jesus say that?

That few find?


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Greetings nod,

I know you addressed your questions to Brad, so please forgive me for butting in. In fairness to Jesus, I don't think you're reading quote 166:3:3 correctly.

Jesus first addressed an old Jewish saying about the straight and narrow gate. It's the old Jewish saying that says that few can find the narrow door. Jesus says that this saying contains much truth and then goes on to clarify where it goes wrong. He tells us that even if the door is narrow, it is wide enough to admit all who sincerely want to go through it. If you earnestly want to go through the gate, you will go through it. It's that simple. He's there to let you in and all are welcome.

Believe me, if you're looking for God, which I'm sure you are, that is evidence that he has already found you. And it's also evidence that you've been banging on the gate with great earnest. There's no way you don't get in unless you get to the gate and tell Jesus to ef-off. You're not going to do that. You don't sound capable of being on such a huge ego trip as that. I don't understand what all your angst is about.

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Thanks Rex,

No angst, just trying to pay attention. I never got the impression that Jesus went around telling people "don't worry, it'll all be ok". Quite the contrary. He was constantly inferring that if you don't get with the program, no dice. He was always putting it out there that people need to grow up, spiritually. That life is not a game. That has always been my take on him. I always felt that what he was saying was, "stop playing around child and grow up and be a man (spiritually)".

The whole backdrop to the story of his ministry is one of BEWARE. That false moves are costly. The nature parables he uttered always warned against the likelihood that few are bound to perceive the truth.

* The prodigal son - it's rare for humans to admit they're wrong and reverse themselves.

* The sown seed - relatively few (in nature) take root to maturity.

* Feeding the five thousand - after all was said and done, when he climbed down from the large stone, few kept with him.

(157:4.1) But hardly would such hopes spring up in their hearts than the Master would dash them to pieces by some crushing word or disappointing deed

(145:4.3) No sooner would the Master do something to cheer the souls and gladden the hearts of his apostles, than he seemed immediately to dash their hopes in pieces and utterly to demolish the foundations of their courage and enthusiasm

Why all this pointing to the seriousness of the business he was teaching us we ought to be about?


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I Agree Bro rexford with your reply
to bro nod ,

Brother nod

''The whole backdrop to the story of his ministry is one of BEWARE.''

I Totaly disagree instead Jesus preachd an taught
rather to FEAR NOT .

His was n is a ministry Of the Love of the Father and
the Brotherhood of man.

One of Mercy an forgiveness,

Even his last breaths words on the cross being crucified
was one of mercy , forgiveness to our father ,

Asking , pleading , Father Forgive them for they no not
what they DO.

Whom was he really ONLY asking mercy n forgiveness for ,
Was it for the ones hanging on the cross next to him
and the roman soldiers that put him there or the
pharisees and the roman govt that got him there ?

Well yes for them ...

Yet he was pleading , Father Forgive them for they no not
what they DO

For n about ALL Mankind

For His mercy and forgiveness ,


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Mercy is provided when things go wrong.

When things go right, mercy isn't necessary.


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Thanks Rexford. We are told to be very careful with the words of the Master - to be certain to use the context of the audience being addressed. Indeed, we are told, for example, that EVERY discussion about money and wealth was ONLY for the specific person being addressed...it was personal and situational and not a general teaching for all others or any others.

Agree Brother coop!!! Fear not! ALL anxieties are mind poison. Period...whether for ourselves our world. But I do find difference worthy of discussion between the mercy teachings and that in Part IV. I look forward to researching and commenting on the so called "warnings". Thanks all.

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'' Mercy is provided when things go wrong.

When things go right, mercy isn't necessary.''

Really bro , come on .

Mercy is provided always as is forgiveness IS
Always available ,

FEAR NOT About that Fact .

ITs a Friendly Universe !

SO IS The answers to Prayers ONLY is provided when things go wrong?

When things go right, Prays mercy isn't necessary?

Fear Not It IS A Friendly universe ,

NO Worries Be Happy bro ,


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Thank you Brad for the clarification, Rex for the insights, nod for the observations, coop for the thread and numerous followups, and everyone else for your contributions.

Tough issue for sure. I feel that I am probably generalizing a bit too much based off my own personal experience. I am grateful that I am not in charge of dealing with these matters as they concern others. :)

coop, glad you brought up mercy. I was thinking about it in the shower today (where my best thinkin gets done!). I am comforted that our Creator Son is mercy-motivated. It inspires me to keep reminding myself of his mercy every single day.

It seems the question has boiled down to what percentage survives, something we've touched on before. I am content not to know, and but neither am I content to make assumptions either. At this point, if forced to come to a conclusion, I'd rather assume the worst and hope for the best, always reminding myself of His mercy.


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My Brothers,

It's clear, I'm not making my point. So let me put it a different way and then I'm going to a porno bar for lunch.

Since it's all good, lot's of mercy credits, the book says so. Why not smoke my dope, drink my beer, fornicate my women, cheat my friends, etc. Do whatever I know is wrong, it doesn't matter, the mansions will fix it. It's all gonna be fine. I'll be forgiven. No need to worry. We're all friends!

Jesus died for my sins.


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Some humor , as sick n Blasphemes as it is i find it funny ,,, sorta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRJlo2WRDbw

''I'd rather assume the worst and hope for the best, always reminding myself of His mercy.''


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Mighty Pythonic there coop LOL


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coop you quoted quil:
''I'd rather assume the worst and hope for the best, always reminding myself of His mercy.''

This is what I'm trying to say, why not assume the best?

Here's one for ya. Can you live your life, let's say for an hour, without being sinful? What about a minute? A second? If you can do it for an hour, how about a day? Two days uninterrupted? If you do that, you will be doing God's will right?

Where in those two days will you need a credit of mercy?

Is it impossible to live sin free?


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'' My Brothers,

It's clear, I'm not making my point. So let me put it a different way and then I'm going to a porno bar for lunch.

Since it's all good, lot's of mercy credits, the book says so. Why not smoke my dope, drink my beer, fornicate my women, cheat my friends, etc. Do whatever I know is wrong, it doesn't matter, the mansions will fix it. It's all gonna be fine. I'll be forgiven. No need to worry. We're all friends!

Jesus died for my sins.''

Yeah Bro '' It's all gonna be fine. I'll be forgiven. No need to worry''

Yes ... Are you perfect as he is perfect , no , can an will you be forgiven
for being human , a imperfect mortal , yes , Dont be so f in
hard on yourself or others , you / all have freewill , even
our TAs thought adjusters can only guide us , but even it/ aka Gods
spark within wont judge us on whatever we do or dont do ,

Its love is there , and imo doesnt care about our temporal mistakes
Only about our soul growth and the love and desire to be one with us,

Its not what the Soul does , but what it strives to do ,

So please stop putting yourself down or judging yourself .

No Worries NO !

YES , YES N YES You ARE LOVED , AN Forgiven an have many more
mercy credits than you know , as do others etc .

Do you think that those here are All Angels or white as snow
and have never made mistakes or had a past or present one
of perfect So called Holyness ?

To be honest I Think that you may simply
Underestamate , the powers that are on your side , ours /
Like Our Father , the Holy Spirit , the Spirit Of Truth , Jesus ,
our thought adjesters etc .
ITs ALL GOOD N NO WORRIES Bro

TMI , But ive watched porn been to strip bars , done drugs ,,
sex , etc and i still like to smoke a bowl n have a few beers now n
then , will i be judged for non survival or go to Hell for it ?

Imo NO , YOU Or others can attempt to judge me ,
but only Jesus and our Father knows whats in our heart ,
and Our thought Adjusters dont judge us either ,

We also need to enjoy this life , and no need to fear or worry .

Enjoy it n live each moment ,

IMO Dont feel Guilty because were human/ mortals .

simply strive to grow n learn .


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'' Jesus died for my sins''

Then you have NO Worries eh . :?

Did he really ?

Have you read the Urantia book about so called
Atonement ?

Have you finished reading the UB ?

GOD Loves the sinner , but abhors sin ,

to him Sin is not real a unreality , ..


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