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How would we know if our attacker is of sonship status? How could we know?


Many of the people or groups of this day and age who might assail us, or others who are disadvantaged, are probably known to us through the media. For example: Putin. Sure, he pretends to believe in God and may actually prefer doing good for goodness sake. But would someone of sonship status order sub-human hordes to attack and murder their neighboring fellows in the Ukraine and in Georgia? Would a person of sonship consistently lie and attempt to deceive the entire world as to what is going on? He may be the recipient of his nation's history. But he is apparently not one who has arisen above and ahead of it, as a faith-son would do.

And what about Netanyahu? He leads the Jews to do everything possible to limit, rob and marginalize the Palestinians. Is he a faith-son?


I was speaking more from a one on one, person to person with regards to this question. Like you have said, nod, bring it home.

I have to rely on, "by their fruits you will know them". Do we have to squeeze them, or slice them open to see it they are good fruit or rotten fruit? Many people do not show their true colors until they are poked and prodded. Do they show their true colors when they are provoked?

I guess I may have answered my own question. Have I provoked enough of you here on this forum? Well, I just wanted to know if you were good to eat! :smile:

Lets provoke them who we have questions about to see what they do. Make them show us their fruits. If they show us their other cheek, we have our answer.


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If you bite into me, you will taste an onion. :lol:


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If you bite into me, you will taste an onion. :lol:


I put onions on everything. I eat them raw and like an apple. O:)


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If somebody you know attacks you, you will know their sonship status because we always know a person by their spiritual fruits. If a stranger attacks you I suppose it will be in that hour that the Spirit of Truth will guide you as to how to handle the situation.


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And what about Netanyahu? He leads the Jews to do everything possible to limit, rob and marginalize the Palestinians. Is he a faith-son?


Not according to Swedish Leftist politicians. :) But they understand far less what a faith-son is than Netanyahu does I bet. :)


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If somebody you know attacks you, you will know their sonship status because we always know a person by their spiritual fruits. If a stranger attacks you I suppose it will be in that hour that the Spirit of Truth will guide you as to how to handle the situation.


Beautiful. Thanks nod. Just ask if you do not know. The answer will be given. Yes, the Spirit of Truth will guide you but only it you sincerely ask.

It is much kinder than poking and prodding and provoking. But, can we tickle? It's so much fun. :lol:


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And what about Netanyahu? He leads the Jews to do everything possible to limit, rob and marginalize the Palestinians. Is he a faith-son?


Not according to Swedish Leftist politicians. :) But they understand far less what a faith-son is than Netanyahu does I bet. :)


Seems to me that neither is willing to turn the other cheek. But who's one cheek is a deeper shade of red? Which one is willing to harm children?

Jesus warned those who would harm one hair on the head of these little ones, or cause them to stumble.

But whosoever causes one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hanged about his neck and he were cast into the sea. 158:8.1


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Seems to me that neither is willing to turn the other cheek. But who's one cheek is a deeper shade of red? Which one is willing to harm children?


So true. So true. But who is really harming those little ones? (Not their own parents and their own people, naturally, who are only filling them with the same rage, hate, malice and belligerence, etc., that they themselves have...)


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Before 1948, Arab Palestinians and Jews lived in harmony. Since the state of Israel was founded, a lot of territory where Arab Palestinians owned homes, lived happy lives where their ancestors lived for hundreds or more years was somehow annexed or taken from them. How would you feel if this happened to you and your family? Zionist Israel has taken a position that they have a "right" to do this. They treat the native people of the land they occupy like dogs and do what they can to keep them separate in what are basically city sized concentration camps. Sound familiar? What hypocrisy. This is happening while western Christians in the mainstream uphold this outrage (don't think that if any other people were to do this it would be dealt with in like manner) because of the general false doctrinal idea that Jesus won't return unless the "chosen people" rebuild their temple.


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Before 1948, Arab Palestinians and Jews lived in harmony. Since the state of Israel was founded, a lot of territory where Arab Palestinians owned homes, lived happy lives where their ancestors lived for hundreds or more years was somehow annexed or taken from them. How would you feel if this happened to you and your family? Zionist Israel has taken a position that they have a "right" to do this. They treat the native people of the land they occupy like dogs and do what they can to keep them separate in what are basically city sized concentration camps. Sound familiar? What hypocrisy. This is happening while western Christians in the mainstream uphold this outrage (don't think that if any other people were to do this it would be dealt with in like manner) because of the general false doctrinal idea that Jesus won't return unless the "chosen people" rebuild their temple.


When there is no good solution in choosing between two evils, one must ask. Which one can love with a fatherly love? It is this love that opens the door to redemption.

"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." - Golda Meir


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You're right Louis, sonship with God will lead us all to love one another properly. Even Israelis and Palestinians. It's the only solution.


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Greetings nod,

I don't think what you write here is true:
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Before 1948, Arab Palestinians and Jews lived in harmony. .


Hitler endorsed Islam, giving one reason why he welcomed the Arab nations to join the Nazis is below, taken from Wikipedia:
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" ....because we were jointly fighting the Jews. This led him to discuss Palestine and conditions there, and he then stated that he himself would not rest until the last Jew had left Germany. Kalid al Hud observed that the Prophet Mohammed … had acted the same way. He had driven the Jews out of Arabia …."


Palestine was governed by Britain at the time and there were very strict limitations on Jewish immigration. The so-called peace was due to the presence of the British army. Hitler issued Führer Directive No. 30 on 23 May 1941 to assist the anti-Zionists. This order began: "The Arab Freedom Movement in the Middle East is our natural ally against England." (from Wikipedia)

Muslims wanted the Jews out of Palestine going all the way back to the beginning of their religion. An explanation of Mohammad's actions from Wikipedia below:

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After his migration (hijra) to Medina from his home-town of Mecca, he established an agreement known as the Constitution of Medina between the major Medinan factions, including the Jewish tribes of Banu Qaynuqa, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qurayza that secured equal rights for both Jews and Muslims as long as Jews remained politically supportive.[1] Muhammad later fought battles with these tribes on the basis of violations of the constitution.


Mohammad originally welcomed Jews as people of the book, but the Jews rejected Mohammad as their prophet, and things were never the same again, particularly since the Jews maintained that they are God's chosen people. This is history, so I hope the moderators don't erase it. People need to know that this problem has been going on for millennia, maybe since the time Abraham exiled Ishmael. There's no simple fix.

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