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The TruthBook declares itself to be the fifth epochal revelation to our world; the Prince, the Garden, Melchizidek, and Michael's final bestowal making up the first four. It also teaches that there are but two forms of revelation - epochal and personal, and describes the importance of both and how they work together for personal transformation which leads to planetary evolutionary progress in a "as goes the parts, so goes the whole" equation or process - indeed, this "formula" of progression reaches the System, Local Universe, Super Universe, and even the Supreme's eventuation into Light and Life.

It is my hope that we can examine the utilization of both epochal and personal revelation, as presented in the UB, to gain a better understanding of the purpose and value of revelation to the individual religionist and to the world for us mortal born ascenders. Both, we are told, are tools for the enlightening of each mind and the upliftment of each inhabited planet. A review of Paper 52 will help to understand the normal steps of the Planetary Mortal Epochs on a world where rebellion and default have not imposed significant disruption and resulting challenges as we have experienced. It will also demonstrate that despite these prior failures and resulting challenges, how Urantia has progressed to a stage of development and progress whereby the UB was presented to our world as our fifth edition of progressive epochal revelation.

How do these two forms of reality revelation work together? How does the whole reflect the each and in what ways does the each become a reflection of the whole? How are personal progress in the spirit and planetary progress linked in the evolutionary process of eventual Light and Life? We are told that once a planet is deemed and declared inhabited that Light and Life is an evolutionary certainty (not a potential) but that each world is a unique story of this long transformative process. Ours is quite unique indeed!! Urantia "enjoys" many elements of multiple "standard" epochs we are told and presents a complex challenge to those so charged with our world's progression toward Light and Life but sufficient success has been realized that we now have full personal spirit circuitry at work with the Father's, Mother's, and Son's spirit ministries fully engaged for personal revelation's full integrated force and power.

And recently, we have been gifted this fifth epochal revelation in a most deliberate form and timely manner (if one were to believe these claims). It teaches that its purpose, as with all forms of epochal revelation, is to reduce confusions and eliminate errors in ways that personal revelation cannot or does not yet. Normally (I presume) such revelations are persons who provide example, education, guidance, and process in a manner that is consistent with higher universe patterns of reality which commonly last tens and even hundreds of thousands of years as a form of leaven in the evolutionary progression of humanity. But this revelation comes in book form, a text book of facts and truths which are designed to engage those individual religionists or truth seekers and God believers in new ways of reality response to bring a resulting effect upon the world itself...one mind at a time....into a greater understanding of reality itself and a better utilization of personal revelation for our individual and collective evolutionary transformation.

Or so I understand it. I look forward to quotes from the UB and comments and questions and the discussion to come.....

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(1107.2) 101:2.12 Revelation as an epochal phenomenon is periodic; as a personal human experience it is continuous. Divinity functions in mortal personality as the Adjuster gift of the Father, as the Spirit of Truth of the Son, and as the Holy Spirit of the Universe Spirit, while these three supermortal endowments are unified in human experiential evolution as the ministry of the Supreme.

(1107.3) 101:2.13 True religion is an insight into reality, the faith-child of the moral consciousness, and not a mere intellectual assent to any body of dogmatic doctrines. True religion consists in the experience that “the Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.” Religion consists not in theologic propositions but in spiritual insight and the sublimity of the soul’s trust.

(1109.4) 101:4.3 Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.

(1109.6) 101:4.5 Truth may be but relatively inspired, even though revelation is invariably a spiritual phenomenon. While statements with reference to cosmology are never inspired, such revelations are of immense value in that they at least transiently clarify knowledge by:

(1109.7) 101:4.6 1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.

(1109.8) 101:4.7 2. The co-ordination of known or about-to-be-known facts and observations.

(1110.1) 101:4.8 3. The restoration of important bits of lost knowledge concerning epochal transactions in the distant past.

(1110.2) 101:4.9 4. The supplying of information which will fill in vital missing gaps in otherwise earned knowledge.

(1110.3) 101:4.10 5. Presenting cosmic data in such a manner as to illuminate the spiritual teachings contained in the accompanying revelation.

5. Religion Expanded by Revelation

(1110.4) 101:5.1 Revelation is a technique whereby ages upon ages of time are saved in the necessary work of sorting and sifting the errors of evolution from the truths of spirit acquirement.

(1006.2) 92:3.5 Only two influences can modify and uplift the dogmas of natural religion: the pressure of the slowly advancing mores and the periodic illumination of epochal revelation. .......

(1007.4) 92:4.4 There have been many events of religious revelation but only five of epochal significance. These were as follows:

(1007.5) 92:4.5 1. The Dalamatian teachings. The true concept of the First Source and Center was first promulgated on Urantia by the one hundred corporeal members of Prince Caligastia’s staff. This expanding revelation of Deity went on for more than three hundred thousand years until it was suddenly terminated by the planetary secession and the disruption of the teaching regime. Except for the work of Van, the influence of the Dalamatian revelation was practically lost to the whole world. Even the Nodites had forgotten this truth by the time of Adam’s arrival. Of all who received the teachings of the one hundred, the red men held them longest, but the idea of the Great Spirit was but a hazy concept in Amerindian religion when contact with Christianity greatly clarified and strengthened it.

(1007.6) 92:4.6 2. The Edenic teachings. Adam and Eve again portrayed the concept of the Father of all to the evolutionary peoples. The disruption of the first Eden halted the course of the Adamic revelation before it had ever fully started. But the aborted teachings of Adam were carried on by the Sethite priests, and some of these truths have never been entirely lost to the world. The entire trend of Levantine religious evolution was modified by the teachings of the Sethites. But by 2500 B.C. mankind had largely lost sight of the revelation sponsored in the days of Eden.

(1007.7) 92:4.7 3. Melchizedek of Salem. This emergency Son of Nebadon inaugurated the third revelation of truth on Urantia. The cardinal precepts of his teachings were trust and faith. He taught trust in the omnipotent beneficence of God and proclaimed that faith was the act by which men earned God’s favor. His teachings gradually commingled with the beliefs and practices of various evolutionary religions and finally developed into those theologic systems present on Urantia at the opening of the first millennium after Christ.

(1008.1) 92:4.8 4. Jesus of Nazareth. Christ Michael presented for the fourth time to Urantia the concept of God as the Universal Father, and this teaching has generally persisted ever since. The essence of his teaching was love and service, the loving worship which a creature son voluntarily gives in recognition of, and response to, the loving ministry of God his Father; the freewill service which such creature sons bestow upon their brethren in the joyous realization that in this service they are likewise serving God the Father.

(1008.2) 92:4.9 5. The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia.

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No discussion about epochal revelation is complete without pointing to its limitations whereby TUB can be evaluated within this context.

It is periodic, therefore incomplete.

It is presented by the limitations of other personalities. Freewill personalities with unique perspectives.

Reduces confusion but does not eliminate it.

Presents facts but not all facts. Subjects itself to errors of omission.

Is Truth, but will forever fall short of God's Truth, therefore, relative.

Saves time but requires a great deal of time to disseminate to wide population of varied reading (intellectual) abilities, languages and cultures (religions).

May lead to further confusion when concepts are misinterpreted and lost in translations.


Please do not get me wrong here. I have benefited greatly from reading TUB and I am grateful to my celestial brothers for this information. I rather like VA's characterization of TUB as an announcement. Better yet, more of a pronouncement. But it cannot have come from God. The simple reason is that God cannot give anything less than ALL to ALL. No written pronouncement can ever come close to the All-ness of God.

It is the best book I have ever read. I look forward to experiencing the factual realities of this pronouncement in the ascension journey. :smile:

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It is the best book I have ever read. I look forward to experiencing the factual realities of this pronouncement in the ascension journey. :smile:



I'm certainly with you there Jb. It's my understanding that where epochal revelation leaves off, personal revelation takes over. Depending on how much one desires things to be revealed, and given capacity for reception, is the measure of how much enlightenment one will have.


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Greetings!! An excellent point nodAmanaV....both forms of revelation are mutually dependent!! They depend upon one another and they connect one another and sustain one another and are for the same purpose - the upliftment of both mind and planet into enlightening. All personal revelation, I think, is from and by one of the three principal sources of personal revelation (TA, Holy Spirit, Spirit of Truth) but always through the TA while epochal revelation is from and by "the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality."

JB - it is often helpful to define something by what it is not as well as by what it is or does, agreed. Epochal revelation is not personal revelation. Neither is forms of revelation are "complete" to any mind since no mind is capable of receiving total or absolute truth but original mind of the First Source and Center (even Michael and the Supreme Being are experiential and subject to some degree of limitation compared to God the Father). Both forms of revelation are partial, relative, and limited by the mind which hears, reads, witnesses or otherwise "receives" either one. So, I agree that ALL forms of truth received by ANY ascender does "forever fall short of God's Truth, therefore, relative." (as you say)

Likewise are all experiential ascenders and descenders not privy to or able to even understand "all facts" - regardless of source. The UB does not claim to be all of the available truth nor all the available facts. Same holds true for all four prior epochal revelations and all personal revelation. Which does not even suggest that the UB is less true or less than true, merely because it cannot possibly contain ALL that is true.

But it is the inexperience of each mind that provides the limitations of truth, and not the truth itself, no? As nodAmanaV says above: " Depending on how much one desires things to be revealed, and given capacity for reception, is the measure of how much enlightenment one will have."

Well said. Thanks to both of you.

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But it is the inexperience of each mind that provides the limitations of truth, and not the truth itself, no? As nodAmanaV says above: " Depending on how much one desires things to be revealed, and given capacity for reception, is the measure of how much enlightenment one will have."


But of course, it is the individual person that is always the rate limiting step in the process of progressing into a light and life situation. We cannot progress in the Kingdom alone. That is why we learned to hold hands in kindergarden as we crossed the street. It is not enough to be enlightened oneself, we must extend a hand and help bring a brother along. :smile:


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(1008.2) 92:4.9 5. "The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia."

Wait a minute, what did they say? Did you catch it?

“But . . . no . . . revelation . . . short . . . of . . . the . . . attainment . . . of . . . the . . . Universal . . . Father” . . . WHAT?

The ATTAINMENT of the Universal Father!!!!!!!

Does that mean that ATTAINMENT is a revelation?

Absolutely!

How does one reconcile that? Do or do we not think of revelation as a gift from others spiritually above us to us? In other words, we tend to see The Urantia Book as truth revealed TO us and FOR us don’t we? But that view is self-oriented and short sighted.

The Urantia Book is our instruction manual, folks, our blue print. Not to many people get really excited about reading blue prints. (No pun intended for the use of "blue".) It is not our jewel, our Fifth Epochal Revelation. It is a description of the process of realizing the jewel. I don’t mean the ultimate attainment of the Universal Father in this sense either. That comes much later. The Urantia Book is our world’s instruction manual. It teaches us HOW to attain the jewel The Fifth Epochal Revelation available to us NOW, not merely in our eternal future.

The passage above says revelation is a REALIZATION of STATUS, an ATTAINMENT. If fact it is attainment of the Universal Father from which the Thought Adjuster is a literal piece, a fragment. Wouldn’t that mean that auto revelation through the Thought Adjuster is exactly what we are seeking? Revelation!

If this is real, then auto-revelation is by far the more valuable to us because it represents our real growth in spiritual awareness and actual status.

So then why is it called an Epochal Revelation?

We live in a generation where the plain of our existence has been interfered with directly by the spiritual reality of the Universe Five Times. This is the fifth intrusion. Without these events, we would have no experiential realization of the meaning of intervention from above. It is a real stumbling block isn’t it? Yes it is! These interventions create the greatest stumbling blocks to the continuation of self-oriented living we have available on the planet and in physical form. So what do we do? The simple answer is to turn it into a stepping stone. How do we do that? Clearly it isn’t by analyzing, memorizing, glamorizing, patronizing or criticizing the book. We must internalize, realize and actualize the teachings, the truth it expounds . . . experientially. When we do that we actually become the personal revelation of Jesus the planet is looking for.

So if true, we can only fulfill the opportunity and potential of the Urantia Revelation, a book, not a person, by being the person the book is talking about. That we do by ATTAINMENT!

This leads me to the real Fifth Epochal Revelation. Again, it can only be attained by living experience. It’s the “new revelation”. Now here is where it gets interesting. The new revelation is attainment. The real Jesus we all desire to see and the one that will “draw all men to himself” when lifted up, is the response of Jesus to our attainment. A process is described throughout the book wherein actual attainment incites recognition and response by the beings by which our attainment is measured. At every step of our path, when our attainment actualizes, our actualization is recognized and responded to. We are told in paper 195 to expect a response. Our mission therefore is to grow; grow deliberately and with all our might and focus. We must grow until we literally become the new revelation of Jesus; the real Fifth Epochal Revelation to the mortals of Urantia.

The Urantia Book is interesting, that's true. But what it really is is astounding, amazing, even outrageous! It is a series of instructions to bring Jesus to earth and to do so in a way that will be both undeniable by all mankind and that will quickly change the world, permanently; bring him to earth in us. All we have to do is follow the instructions with enough sincerity and devotion until we get it right; until we actually attain the reality we seek. That's the beauty of reality, it can't be faked. We are simply not able to imagine the reality of the goal so faith is our only method of seeing it. And the world will not read blue prints until they see us building a building.


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Wonderful!! Even a book that is epochal revelation is but a book until it is lived and utilized for personal spirit progress. Then this map and guide and how to book becomes far more than a book. It is not God or even his voice but it is information which can lead the mind inward and upward to discover, discern, and ascend.

(1162.1) 106:0.1 IT IS not enough that the ascending mortal should know something of the relations of Deity to the genesis and manifestations of cosmic reality; he should also comprehend something of the relationships existing between himself and the numerous levels of existential and experiential realities, of potential and actual realities. Man’s terrestrial orientation, his cosmic insight, and his spiritual directionization are all enhanced by a better comprehension of universe realities and their techniques of interassociation, integration, and unification.

(1174.7) 106:9.11 Sooner or later all universe personalities begin to realize that the final quest of eternity is the endless exploration of infinity, the never-ending voyage of discovery into the absoluteness of the First Source and Center. Sooner or later we all become aware that all creature growth is proportional to Father identification. We arrive at the understanding that living the will of God is the eternal passport to the endless possibility of infinity itself. Mortals will sometime realize that success in the quest of the Infinite is directly proportional to the achievement of Fatherlikeness, and that in this universe age the realities of the Father are revealed within the qualities of divinity. And these qualities of divinity are personally appropriated by universe creatures in the experience of living divinely, and to live divinely means actually to live the will of God.

(1175.1) 106:9.12 To material, evolutionary, finite creatures, a life predicated on the living of the Father’s will leads directly to the attainment of spirit supremacy in the personality arena and brings such creatures one step nearer the comprehension of the Father-Infinite. Such a Father life is one predicated on truth, sensitive to beauty, and dominated by goodness. Such a God-knowing person is inwardly illuminated by worship and outwardly devoted to the wholehearted service of the universal brotherhood of all personalities, a service ministry which is filled with mercy and motivated by love, while all these life qualities are unified in the evolving personality on ever-ascending levels of cosmic wisdom, self-realization, God-finding, and Father worship.


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Wonderful!! Even a book that is epochal revelation is but a book until it is lived and utilized for personal spirit progress. Then this map and guide and how to book becomes far more than a book. It is not God or even his voice but it is information which can lead the mind inward and upward to discover, discern, and ascend.


I understand your sentiment, Brad, for I have benefited more from TUB than any other book I have read, even the Bible. I recognized after the first few reading that no human mind could have written it. And I fully agree with the last sentence above. BUT, just how does TUB become far more than a book? How does anything become more than what it is? I see persons grow in character and become more than what they once were.

A book cannot be lived. If not for the mind, a book is nothing. A book can be read for the ideas represented in word symbols. These ideas are not real unless experienced by a personality. Words on paper are symbols of symbols and, therefore, twice removed from reality. A book, any book is twice removed from reality. Spirit is real and can be lived. This is the thrust of my abhorrence with giving life to TUB. It makes TUB an idol.

If you want to make TUB more than book, you make it an idol. I cannot go there brother.

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Yes Louis, you have been most vociferous in your assertions and most personal in your multiple accusations toward me of idolatry. Say whatever you will. I have put "no gods before me" since I wore knickers and well understand what idolatry is and is not. I do not worship any book nor do I believe any book is representative of God. Get over yourself. I have never met a UB reader or believer who is an idol worshiper Louis. Such concerns of yours are no concern of mine.

This topic is to consider the rareness, importance, purpose, and value of the 5th Epochal Revelation. I have repeatedly stated on multiple threads for many years here that truth is not true until realized by its living and just agreed - again - with Jim's affirmations of that very truth. The Revelation has changed my life, everything about my life including my motives, my intentions, my priorities, my decisions, my very way of being and greeting every day....and I was already a believer before ever my first word read in the UB. Such a living according to this how-to manual has changed my results, trajectory, spirit progress, and delivered those promised fruits of the spirit. How so?

To quote Jim: "The Urantia Book is our instruction manual, folks, our blue print. Not to many people get really excited about reading blue prints. (No pun intended for the use of "blue".) It is not our jewel, our Fifth Epochal Revelation. It is a description of the process of realizing the jewel. I don’t mean the ultimate attainment of the Universal Father in this sense either. That comes much later. The Urantia Book is our world’s instruction manual. It teaches us HOW to attain the jewel The Fifth Epochal Revelation available to us NOW, not merely in our eternal future.

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So if true, we can only fulfill the opportunity and potential of the Urantia Revelation, a book, not a person, by being the person the book is talking about. That we do by ATTAINMENT!"

Me here: A light is but a light until something is illuminated by that light. A map is but a map until water is found upon the trail so inscribed. A guide book is not even interesting until standing in view of the wonders described. A how-to manual is only a curiosity until something is built, formed, constructed, or created by its instructions.

If you cannot "live" this Revelation Louis then it has no value to you and its meaning will forever be lost upon you. For of a certainty, there is information within it that you can find nowhere else, including personal revelation, as the Revelation itself clearly states. It's importance and value and its ability of integration with personal revelation and to brighten the clarity of personal revelation and accelerate one's progress in spirit is clearly given and is easily found within its pages.

You say "ideas are not real unless experienced by a personality" while contradicting your words in the same paragraph "A book cannot be lived." Is not living an experience? Is not personal transformation by changing our purpose and process and priorities and choices an experience? Are these not affected by knowledge of origin and destiny and spirit circuitry and alignment of will and the embrace of reality presented and time unit perspective and the understanding of our dual nature and the transfer of the seat of our very identity?

The more this book is lived and thereby experienced, the more truth pours forth from its pages....as is its stated purpose. Deny its purpose and its potential to guide the mind into truth lived if you will Louis. That is the purpose of our discussion.

Again, as Jim says, the power of the instructions and facts revealed in this epochal revelation depends upon the power of the God fragment within the reader to make the written truths come alive in the mind of the beholder by personal revelation:

(17.1) 0:12.12 Successive planetary revelations of divine truth invariably embrace the highest existing concepts of spiritual values as a part of the new and enhanced co-ordination of planetary knowledge. Accordingly, in making these presentations about God and his universe associates, we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universe meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe.

(17.2) 0:12.13 We are fully cognizant of the difficulties of our assignment; we recognize the impossibility of fully translating the language of the concepts of divinity and eternity into the symbols of the language of the finite concepts of the mortal mind. But we know that there dwells within the human mind a fragment of God, and that there sojourns with the human soul the Spirit of Truth; and we further know that these spirit forces conspire to enable material man to grasp the reality of spiritual values and to comprehend the philosophy of universe meanings. But even more certainly we know that these spirits of the Divine Presence are able to assist man in the spiritual appropriation of all truth contributory to the enhancement of the ever-progressing reality of personal religious experience — God-consciousness.

(17.3) 0:12.14 [Indited by an Orvonton Divine Counselor, Chief of the Corps of Superuniverse Personalities assigned to portray on Urantia the truth concerning the Paradise Deities and the universe of universes.]

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If you want to make TUB more than book, you make it an idol. I cannot go there brother.


Jb, have you made an idol out of not making an idol of the UB?

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If you want to make TUB more than book, you make it an idol. I cannot go there brother.


Jb, have you made an idol out of not making an idol of the UB?

Peace my brother! :biggrin:


How so?


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If you want to make TUB more than book, you make it an idol. I cannot go there brother.


Jb, have you made an idol out of not making an idol of the UB?

Peace my brother! :biggrin:


How so?


It speaks to the straining at gnats while swallowing camels variety. 8)


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Such concerns of yours are no concern of mine.


OK, but why do continue to pay me mind? Idolatry can be extremely subtle. We must all be mindful of its dangers.


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The Urantia Book is our world’s instruction manual. It teaches us HOW to attain the jewel The Fifth Epochal Revelation available to us NOW, not merely in our eternal future.


How can a book teach anything? A teacher teaches. Our TA leads. We have Spiritual teachers and human teachers. You are my teacher.


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Me here: A light is but a light until something is illuminated by that light. A map is but a map until water is found upon the trail so inscribed. A guide book is not even interesting until standing in view of the wonders described. A how-to manual is only a curiosity until something is built, formed, constructed, or created by its instructions.



Who wrote the first book of instruction? Did Andon and Fonta have a book of instruction? Where are they now? How did they get there without a revelation? A lazy person would replace the guide book for the wonder itself. How could a book describe the wonder, especially if the wonder is Infinite.


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If you cannot "live" this Revelation Louis then it has no value to you and its meaning will forever be lost upon you. For of a certainty, there is information within it that you can find nowhere else, including personal revelation, as the Revelation itself clearly states.


Living is a revelation, revelation is not living. In one billion years, what will have been revealed to you that has not been revealed to one who never has read TUB?


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You say "ideas are not real unless experienced by a personality" while contradicting your words in the same paragraph "A book cannot be lived." Is not living an experience? Is not personal transformation by changing our purpose and process and priorities and choices an experience? Are these not affected by knowledge of origin and destiny and spirit circuitry and alignment of will and the embrace of reality presented and time unit perspective and the understanding of our dual nature and the transfer of the seat of our very identity?


Ideas are thoughts of the thinker. Persons think, therefore, ideas are no less real than the thinker, but there cannot be ideas in a book. The Idea must come from the thinker, not the book. The person is everything without the book, but the book is nothing without the person. A book cannot be lived because a book is not alive. Again, what book did Andon read?


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Again, as Jim says, the power of the instructions and facts revealed in this epochal revelation depends upon the power of the God fragment within the reader to make the written truths come alive in the mind of the beholder by personal revelation:



This is most incorrect. Truths are alive to begin with. Truths do not come alive by reading words. In Our Father Fragment all Truth exists and lives. It is true that our bothers can remind us about the Truth we hold and symbols can indirectly remind us of Truths we hold, but there are no written truths. And your brothers are living Truth in the TA indwelling mind and eternal Soul.

To re-mind is to remember what we already know. If you believe that our TA is indeed a fragment of Father, then this prepersonal entity is all knowledge in our very mind. I agree that we do rely on reminders, be they human or symbolic. We just need to keep them straight. A Spirit reminder is best. Human reminders are better and neither can be supplanted by mere symbology.


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So if true, we can only fulfill the opportunity and potential of the Urantia Revelation, a book, not a person, by being the person the book is talking about. That we do by ATTAINMENT!"


Books do not talk. Potential attainment can only be realized by living. A book does nothing because only a person can do anything.

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[quote=Jb, have you made an idol out of not making an idol of the UB?

Peace my brother! :biggrin:[/quote]

How so?[/quote]

It speaks to the straining at gnats while swallowing camels variety. 8)[/quote]


OK, but idolatry is a gnat the size of a camel. This response begs for something more substantial. Are you up to it? :smile:

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