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The Coming of Christ Michael
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P.1915 - §2 "But the times of the reappearing of the Son of Man are known only in the councils of Paradise; not even the angels of heaven know when this will occur. However, you should understand that, when this gospel of the kingdom shall have been proclaimed to all the world for the salvation of all peoples, and when the fullness of the age has come to pass, the Father will send you another dispensational bestowal, or else the Son of Man will return to adjudge the age.

Behold He comes, riding on the clouds
Shining like the sun at the trumpet's call
Lift your voice, (it's) the year of Jubilee
Out of Zion's hill, salvation comes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEaKt5py0Ts

As we gaze on your kingly brightness,
So our faces display your likeness,
ever changing from glory to glory.
Mirrored here, may our lives tell your story.
Shine on me, shine on me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IR8gFDFiP8

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THE COMING MILLENNIUM
http://www.world-destiny.org/millenn.htm

Prophecy and the Urantia Book
http://www.prestonthomas.org/prophecy-urantia-book/

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Yoder...I find the presentation at the link you provided interesting and a challenge to my general perspective on the topic of prophesy:

http://www.prestonthomas.org/prophecy-urantia-book/

I think this presentation is a worthwhile topic of further discussion. I find the whole topic rather confounding to me. I recommend others take the link and study the UB quotes and presentations and we all take a topical journey deeper into the text to consider the role of prophecy in our past and our future...what is it; what's its value; how would we recognize it considering there may be thousand or a million self appointed and delusional claimants for each "true" one??? We are given fair and dire and repeated warnings about those who make claims as to their "voice" and its "source". I offer only my confusion on this one....thanks Yoder.

(1005.4) 92:3.2 Religion has always been largely a matter of rites, rituals, observances, ceremonies, and dogmas. It has usually become tainted with that persistently mischief-making error, the chosen-people delusion. The cardinal religious ideas of incantation, inspiration, revelation, propitiation, repentance, atonement, intercession, sacrifice, prayer, confession, worship, survival after death, sacrament, ritual, ransom, salvation, redemption, covenant, uncleanness, purification, prophecy, original sin — they all go back to the early times of primordial ghost fear.

5. The Great Religious Leaders

(1008.3) 92:5.1 In evolutionary religion, the gods are conceived to exist in the likeness of man’s image; in revelatory religion, men are taught that they are God’s sons — even fashioned in the finite image of divinity; in the synthesized beliefs compounded from the teachings of revelation and the products of evolution, the God concept is a blend of:

(1008.4) 92:5.2 1. The pre-existent ideas of the evolutionary cults.

(1008.5) 92:5.3 2. The sublime ideals of revealed religion.

(1008.6) 92:5.4 3. The personal viewpoints of the great religious leaders, the prophets and teachers of mankind.

(1008.7) 92:5.5 Most great religious epochs have been inaugurated by the life and teachings of some outstanding personality; leadership has originated a majority of the worth-while moral movements of history.

(1008.8) 92:5.6 Many races have conceived of their leaders as being born of virgins; their careers are liberally sprinkled with miraculous episodes, and their return is always expected by their respective groups. In central Asia the tribesmen still look for the return of Genghis Khan; in Tibet, China, and India it is Buddha; in Islam it is Mohammed; among the Amerinds it was Hesunanin Onamonalonton; with the Hebrews it was, in general, Adam’s return as a material ruler. In Babylon the god Marduk was a perpetuation of the Adam legend, the son-of-God idea, the connecting link between man and God. Following the appearance of Adam on earth, so-called sons of God were common among the world races.

(1009.1) 92:5.7 But regardless of the superstitious awe in which they were often held, it remains a fact that these teachers were the temporal personality fulcrums on which the levers of revealed truth depended for the advancement of the morality, philosophy, and religion of mankind.

(1009.2) 92:5.8 There have been hundreds upon hundreds of religious leaders in the million-year human history of Urantia from Onagar to Guru Nanak. During this time there have been many ebbs and flows of the tide of religious truth and spiritual faith, and each renaissance of Urantian religion has, in the past, been identified with the life and teachings of some religious leader. In considering the teachers of recent times, it may prove helpful to group them into the seven major religious epochs of post-Adamic Urantia: .........

(1010.4) 92:5.16 The future of Urantia will doubtless be characterized by the appearance of teachers of religious truth — the Fatherhood of God and the fraternity of all creatures. But it is to be hoped that the ardent and sincere efforts of these future prophets will be directed less toward the strengthening of interreligious barriers and more toward the augmentation of the religious brotherhood of spiritual worship among the many followers of the differing intellectual theologies which so characterize Urantia of Satania.


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Truth is always accompanied by goodness and beauty because it is eternally alive, renewed again with each life.

Paper 129 - 4. The Human Jesus - "......And this was his true and supreme purpose. He did not come down to live on Urantia as the perfect and detailed example for any child or adult, any man or woman, in that age or any other.....Jesus did not live his life on earth in order to set an example for all human beings to copy....Jesus may not be the technical and detailed example for all mortals of all ages on all the realms of this local universe, but he is everlastingly the inspiration and guide of all Paradise pilgrims...."

I accept that there is so much that is still to be known about God, but "as we are" here NOW, we can know all that we can know about God because Jesus revealed all we could know "as we are"....

No human can know more because we don't have the kind of cosmically endowed "mind", as a human, that can know more! We don't have the hardware, so to speak....

So why are we spending so much time speculating about the next teacher when we haven't even understood what the last one taught us?


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Jesus didn’t tell us how to heal ourselves of our evilness - of the rebellion and default that we all live. And neither does The Urantia Book.

Jesus being perfect didn’t take on the imperfection that we all are, and heal it. So because of that he remained aside from or outside of the evilness by not directly being conceived and born into it, so he wasn’t able to tell us from his own personal life experiences how we might go about healing ourselves of our evilness as he didn’t experience healing himself of it. He didn’t cross the line. So that still remains, we still need someone to come and tell us how we can heal ourselves of our wrongness; and someone who comes and takes it all on themselves, heals themselves of it, and so is able to show us the way out of our darkness. This being what The Urantia Book refers to in saying: ‘He promised a new revelation of the kingdom on earth and at some future time’. From:

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P.1863 - §13 Although Jesus referred one phase of the kingdom to the future and did, on numerous occasions, intimate that such an event might appear as a part of a world crisis; and though he did likewise most certainly, on several occasions, definitely promise sometime to return to Urantia, it should be recorded that he never positively linked these two ideas together. He promised a new revelation of the kingdom on earth and at some future time; he also promised sometime to come back to this world in person; but he did not say that these two events were synonymous. From all we know these promises may, or may not, refer to the same event.


Jesus has also returned so far as re-revealing the essential truths we need so we can be as he is - perfect and true, and living with our Heavenly Father. He did this through James Padgett early last century - re: The Padgett Messages. However even in these messages still he doesn’t directly tell us how we can heal our evilness and become perfect as he is; allowing us to believe that all we need do is long to our Heavenly Father for His Divine Love, and then somehow all our sins and errors will be removed from us. But this too doesn’t happen when you long for the Love, even though a lot of people believe it does.

So with Jesus coming (through James Padgett) at the end of his Age of the Cross, re-revealing the essential truths we need so as to become divine and at-one with the Father, ONCE WE’VE HEALED OUR EVILNESS, so we still await a new presentation of truth - that which includes how we are to specifically heal all that’s wrong within us: how we can heal the Rebellion and Default out of us. And if you want a taste of this, then look at Divine Love Spirituality http://divinelovesp.weebly.com , as it’s a forerunner to this new proclamation of truth.

For Jesus to fully come again in person with humanity still remaining evil would be a waste of his time - and more than likely, ours too. Nothing more would be achieved. He’d only be able to do what he has already done. He’d reveal the truths of divine love perfection and most people would reject them not wanting to follow him, as is seen by how we treated him all those years ago and how we still treat him with so few people embracing the Padgett Messages.

So, when would Jesus return, should he do so?

He would come, so I think, only when humanity is of a level of truth enabling everyone to fully embrace him. And that I imagine will be waaayyyyy in the future, when humanity has fully healed itself of all its rebellion and default. Possibly even when the morontia temple descends and he will come again through it so people will be able to see him and talk directly with him.

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P.1919 - §2 We most positively believe that Michael will again come in person to Urantia, but we have not the slightest idea as to when or in what manner he may choose to come. Will his second advent on earth be timed to occur in connection with the terminal judgment of this present age, either with or without the associated appearance of a Magisterial Son? Will he come in connection with the termination of some subsequent Urantian age? Will he come unannounced and as an isolated event? We do not know. Only one thing we are certain of, that is, when he does return, all the world will likely know about it, for he must come as the supreme ruler of a universe and not as the obscure babe of Bethlehem. But if every eye is to behold him, and if only spiritual eyes are to discern his presence, then must his advent be long deferred.


So, if we are to receive a new revelation, or rather, an extension or continuation of the revelation of truth started by Jesus, and the missing part be given to us - that being how we can specifically and completely heal ourselves, then it will have to come from an Avonal on a bestowal mission. Because he will have to submit himself to the wrongness; become fully of it, then heal himself of it, thereby healing all the circuits technically within him, all of which will give rise to his Spirit of Truth that he will liberate upon his death; that which will then oversee and guide all truth-seeking souls through the next Spiritual Age he will initiate, all helping people to heal themselves as he healed himself. This all then being overshadowed by Jesus’ Spirit of Truth.

So if anything, I reckon we are to keep our eyes open for an Avonal bestowal Son; listen to how he has healed himself when he readily makes himself known publicly, then add what he says to what Jesus has revealed anew in the Padgett Messages, combining all that with a good dose of The Urantia Book, and we’ll be on our way to Paradise. We’ll then have at our disposal the full means of dealing with our sorrowful state of living untrue to ourselves. Healing our untruth, becoming perfect, embracing the Divine Love, and setting out on our ascension to Paradise. Because until we fully heal our evilness, we won’t be going anywhere despite what people want to believe.

If you want to read more things along these lines http://www.withmarymagdaleneandjesus.we ... /blog.html However please understand you will need to keep a very open mind should you wish to look further into what it will take for you to heal yourself and become true.



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The Urantia Book infers that we await a Magisterial Son, but to this I disagree unless we are simply to have the end of our current age and the beginning of a new age, yet with things largely going on as they have done. Which would achieve nothing so far as helping people advance their soul.

As we understand, a Magisterial Son would materialise as an adult, so being perfect and not of the Rebellion and Default. So such a Son would only be able to reveals the truths Jesus revealed, and with Jesus being higher than an Avonal, what would be the point, it would do nothing for humanity’s soul advancement of truth. So humanity would take what this Avonal Son has to offer - some would, some wouldn’t, and things would carry on as before. If we can’t heal our evilness from what Jesus has thus far revealed, then we’re hardly going to able to heal it from what a Magisterial Son would say even if he was able to do miracles and other ‘wonders’.

And we haven’t healed our evilness yet, no one has, for if they had, we’d all know about it, and the truths of how they did it would have been made readily available and we’d all be able to do it - should we want to. So we can’t look to the past, as all that’s been given to us, including all Jesus said, has been embroiled in the evil, becoming part of the Rebellion and Default, even including what people are doing with the Padgett Messages and The Urantia Book by looking only to those sources as the means to heal their wrongness and advance their soul - when it can’t be done, as such sources don’t directly tell us how to heal our evilness.


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Jesus told his apostles that he would never leave them. Has he ever left us? The Spirit of Truth is with us but does not bear witness to itself. It is not a person. TUB cannot bear witness to itself because it is not a person.

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So why are we spending so much time speculating about the next teacher when we haven't even understood what the last one taught us?


Because we'll need the next one to help us understand the last one.


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So why are we spending so much time speculating about the next teacher when we haven't even understood what the last one taught us?


Because we'll need the next one to help us understand the last one.


And we'll find fault with that one also 8)

That's why some kids are held back one year in grammar schools....there is no point to sending them off to a new teacher when the student is the one not doing their work....


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Jesus didn’t tell us how to heal ourselves of our evilness - of the rebellion and default that we all live. And neither does The Urantia Book.

Jesus being perfect didn’t take on the imperfection that we all are, and heal it. So because of that he remained aside from or outside of the evilness by not directly being conceived and born into it, so he wasn’t able to tell us from his own personal life experiences how we might go about healing ourselves of our evilness as he didn’t experience healing himself of it. He didn’t cross the line. So that still remains, we still need someone to come and tell us how we can heal ourselves of our wrongness; and someone who comes and takes it all on themselves, heals themselves of it, and so is able to show us the way out of our darkness. This being what The Urantia Book refers to in saying: ‘He promised a new revelation of the kingdom on earth and at some future time’. From:

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P.1863 - §13 Although Jesus referred one phase of the kingdom to the future and did, on numerous occasions, intimate that such an event might appear as a part of a world crisis; and though he did likewise most certainly, on several occasions, definitely promise sometime to return to Urantia, it should be recorded that he never positively linked these two ideas together. He promised a new revelation of the kingdom on earth and at some future time; he also promised sometime to come back to this world in person; but he did not say that these two events were synonymous. From all we know these promises may, or may not, refer to the same event.


Jesus has also returned so far as re-revealing the essential truths we need so we can be as he is - perfect and true, and living with our Heavenly Father. He did this through James Padgett early last century - re: The Padgett Messages. However even in these messages still he doesn’t directly tell us how we can heal our evilness and become perfect as he is; allowing us to believe that all we need do is long to our Heavenly Father for His Divine Love, and then somehow all our sins and errors will be removed from us. But this too doesn’t happen when you long for the Love, even though a lot of people believe it does.

So with Jesus coming (through James Padgett) at the end of his Age of the Cross, re-revealing the essential truths we need so as to become divine and at-one with the Father, ONCE WE’VE HEALED OUR EVILNESS, so we still await a new presentation of truth - that which includes how we are to specifically heal all that’s wrong within us: how we can heal the Rebellion and Default out of us. And if you want a taste of this, then look at Divine Love Spirituality http://divinelovesp.weebly.com , as it’s a forerunner to this new proclamation of truth.

For Jesus to fully come again in person with humanity still remaining evil would be a waste of his time - and more than likely, ours too. Nothing more would be achieved. He’d only be able to do what he has already done. He’d reveal the truths of divine love perfection and most people would reject them not wanting to follow him, as is seen by how we treated him all those years ago and how we still treat him with so few people embracing the Padgett Messages.

So, when would Jesus return, should he do so?

He would come, so I think, only when humanity is of a level of truth enabling everyone to fully embrace him. And that I imagine will be waaayyyyy in the future, when humanity has fully healed itself of all its rebellion and default. Possibly even when the morontia temple descends and he will come again through it so people will be able to see him and talk directly with him.

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P.1919 - §2 We most positively believe that Michael will again come in person to Urantia, but we have not the slightest idea as to when or in what manner he may choose to come. Will his second advent on earth be timed to occur in connection with the terminal judgment of this present age, either with or without the associated appearance of a Magisterial Son? Will he come in connection with the termination of some subsequent Urantian age? Will he come unannounced and as an isolated event? We do not know. Only one thing we are certain of, that is, when he does return, all the world will likely know about it, for he must come as the supreme ruler of a universe and not as the obscure babe of Bethlehem. But if every eye is to behold him, and if only spiritual eyes are to discern his presence, then must his advent be long deferred.


So, if we are to receive a new revelation, or rather, an extension or continuation of the revelation of truth started by Jesus, and the missing part be given to us - that being how we can specifically and completely heal ourselves, then it will have to come from an Avonal on a bestowal mission. Because he will have to submit himself to the wrongness; become fully of it, then heal himself of it, thereby healing all the circuits technically within him, all of which will give rise to his Spirit of Truth that he will liberate upon his death; that which will then oversee and guide all truth-seeking souls through the next Spiritual Age he will initiate, all helping people to heal themselves as he healed himself. This all then being overshadowed by Jesus’ Spirit of Truth.

So if anything, I reckon we are to keep our eyes open for an Avonal bestowal Son; listen to how he has healed himself when he readily makes himself known publicly, then add what he says to what Jesus has revealed anew in the Padgett Messages, combining all that with a good dose of The Urantia Book, and we’ll be on our way to Paradise. We’ll then have at our disposal the full means of dealing with our sorrowful state of living untrue to ourselves. Healing our untruth, becoming perfect, embracing the Divine Love, and setting out on our ascension to Paradise. Because until we fully heal our evilness, we won’t be going anywhere despite what people want to believe.

If you want to read more things along these lines http://www.withmarymagdaleneandjesus.we ... /blog.html However please understand you will need to keep a very open mind should you wish to look further into what it will take for you to heal yourself and become true.



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The Urantia Book infers that we await a Magisterial Son, but to this I disagree unless we are simply to have the end of our current age and the beginning of a new age, yet with things largely going on as they have done. Which would achieve nothing so far as helping people advance their soul.

As we understand, a Magisterial Son would materialise as an adult, so being perfect and not of the Rebellion and Default. So such a Son would only be able to reveals the truths Jesus revealed, and with Jesus being higher than an Avonal, what would be the point, it would do nothing for humanity’s soul advancement of truth. So humanity would take what this Avonal Son has to offer - some would, some wouldn’t, and things would carry on as before. If we can’t heal our evilness from what Jesus has thus far revealed, then we’re hardly going to able to heal it from what a Magisterial Son would say even if he was able to do miracles and other ‘wonders’.

And we haven’t healed our evilness yet, no one has, for if they had, we’d all know about it, and the truths of how they did it would have been made readily available and we’d all be able to do it - should we want to. So we can’t look to the past, as all that’s been given to us, including all Jesus said, has been embroiled in the evil, becoming part of the Rebellion and Default, even including what people are doing with the Padgett Messages and The Urantia Book by looking only to those sources as the means to heal their wrongness and advance their soul - when it can’t be done, as such sources don’t directly tell us how to heal our evilness.


Thanks for the response. It's overwhelming to me because you have obviously spent a lot of time and effort in your life figuring these things out for yourself and arrived at conclusions and beliefs that I have never heard of until I heard them here from you.

All I got as a new perspective on life after reading the UB was that I would always have a friend in Jesus because he has "been there and done that" - he was HUMAN and lived among us as a human. What more could we want in the way of "follow me"?


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I Must Speak, all I got was also a new perspective on life having read it, and a greater understanding about a lot of things, and an introduction to a lot of new things. I first came across the Padgett Messages not having been interested in Jesus previously, and they established in me that Jesus was indeed ‘The One’ and we are to ‘Follow him’; and as you said, that he understood us all having been on earth, and so was like an older brother to us in that sense.

But still both these sources of information didn’t tell me how I was to heal myself of all my imperfections and wrongness - of which through my spiritual searching I was becoming increasingly aware of having a lot of.

The important thing - at least for myself - is to understand that being evil as we are, with us all having gone off into rebellion and default, even if it would seem we haven’t willingly chosen to do so, it being put on us through our forming years, is that the likes of Jesus, the Padgett Messages and the UB can’t interfere with our negative state. Jesus and the authors of the UB papers are all true and perfect and not of rebellion, and they have no right interfering with how we are; being perfect they can’t and won’t come to us and say, hey, you are all-wrong, and this is how you can heal yourselves. They can only give us information to go on with so we can think more about the bad state we’re in. And then it’s up to us to work out how to heal ourselves, which many people are trying to do. But the problem lies in the fact that being of evil we can’t see our way clear of it, we’re not of a state that allows us to heal ourselves, so we’re stuck in it because of evil being what it is - rejecting any truth that we might find and so use to help ourselves out of our evilness. We rejected Jesus, and nothing in the UB disturbs us, it’s not confrontational, it doesn’t interfere with us, all allowing us to go along on our merry way believing we are helping ourselves and healing our wrongness when we’re not, when in fact we’re only advancing our mind by it using the information given to us to further cement ourselves into our wrongness without even knowing it.

So that’s why we need an outside influence like an Avonal bestowal, as I said. All the religions and even the New Age are looking for someone - the saviour - to come, or the fifth dimensional change to happen, to release us from our pain, but these are only fantasies and will not happen. Jesus isn’t going to come swishing down on any cloud to vanquish the unbelievers carrying off the Chosen to the Promised Land. Why would he do that when he’s already done all he needed to do and we clearly showed him and the whole of Nebadon we didn’t want him. So he’s hardly going to come and go through all that again. And as he can’t come and interfere with our imperfection, so we need to look to someone else who’s soul is designed to come and help us.

The Avonal soul can incarnate into imperfection - evil - and heal itself of it. Jesus’ soul can’t do that. Jesus can’t, as he didn’t, submit to becoming evil as we are, because for the Creator Son to suddenly become evil means the whole of Nebadon would have had to follow him into evilness, which wasn’t going to happen. So that’s what the Avonal’s are really for. They are the real saviours of the evil worlds. Jesus being the Creator Son came for the whole of Nebadon, he terminated the spirit level of the Rebellion, that level in which the perfect Lucifer, Satan, Caligastia and Daligastia rebelled, that being all he could do. But he couldn’t actually interfere with us people on the personal level of rebellion, so he didn’t reveal to us the truths necessary for us to get ourselves out of the mess we’re in. Whereas an Avonal can do that. The Avonal’s come only to specific worlds, so we need an Avonal to come specifically to heal and deal with the personal level of the Rebellion and Default we’re in. And this can only happen through a full bestowal incarnation.

The UB isn’t allowed to directly interfere with our evilness, as I said, so its authors were not allowed to tell us about the need for an Avonal bestowal, yet you can read between the lines that that’s what we do need. They had to frame the book so as to be in keeping with all we understood up to its inception, expanding a little on what humanity had already worked out for itself or had had revealed to it. It’s not a personal revelation of truth such that an Avonal could and will make from first hand experience. The Avonal needs to be a blundering fool like the rest of us, someone who is wrong in all he does and says, someone who is evil but not necessarily evil as we only relate to it as in going out mass murdering and raping. Just someone who is untrue, can’t express himself truly through and with his feelings, is all bound up in his mind control, just as we all are. And then he works through it all, liberating the truth of why he is the dysfunctional mess that he is, all the while growing in the truth of his soul and so liberating himself from the clutches of evil he was subjected to through his growing up. And then with truth we can ‘follow him’ out of our darkness and into the light of becoming true to ourselves and our soul and no longer being anti-truth, anti-love, and anti-life.

Too many people look to the UB and the Padgett Messages - these being the only two sources of information lately to have been revealed to us that can actually help point us in the right direction - for all they need, but after years of reading the book wonder why they still haven’t really changed. And by change I mean: why your life is still not working perfectly, why you’re still not perfect, why you’re not living as Jesus lived in the perfection of truth; still wondering what truth actually is, still wondering what it’s all about, still looking.... So new information needs to be given to us on a very personal level as to how we can actually go about healing our wrongness. For example, you smoke, it’s wrong to smoke so far as being perfect and true to your soul goes. You only smoke because you are using it to fill in some gap, to hide some bad feeling you are refusing to acknowledge - that you don’t feel fully loved. But what is that bad feeling, what really is causing you to smoke? And this is the truth you will have to find out - what beliefs and behaviour patterns are within you causing you to smoke; how did they come about through your early childhood; what was the relationship with your parents like so as to cause you to feel bad, making you now as an adult need to smoke so you can pretend to yourself you don’t feel bad?

And when you uncover the truth of what went on in your relationship with your parents in an unloving way that caused you to now smoke, then you will understand the truth of yourself more, then you’ll be advancing in truth, then you’ll be truly advancing your soul. And you’ll have taken one step out of your evilness, one step closer to being true and perfect. And when you’ve healed all your deep hidden causes that are making you smoke, so you’ll no longer need to do it, so will stop. Neither Jesus or the UB helps us on that very personal level dealing with such real life problems. And that’s what we need. We need to understand how we can use our own bad feelings to go back into ourselves and liberate the truth we’re currently hiding from ourselves. This being the only way we can heal our evilness. Because our smoking as in this example (and the same applies to everything that makes us feel bad) is simply an outer sign that something is not right within us, all being a symptom of our wrongness - or of being evil. Evil being as you can see from this example, something far more than just being a bad person who hurts other people. Evil being EVERYTHING that we do and say, all how we behave, that is not being true - that is going against the truth of ourself, which is against the truth of our soul.

So we need to look deeper than what we’ve been given superficially to go with in the UB and Padgett Messages. Both these sources are wonderful and essential to our full understanding and growth, only they need to be kept in perspective and seen for what they are; and seen also for what they can’t do. So we have to look elsewhere for how to heal ourselves, hence my links in my first post. And here is another one: http://www.childhoodrepression.weebly.com


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Following the links provided by Yoder777 there are some interesting paragraphs relevant to what I want to contribute to this thread.

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Page 231: When the progress of events on an evolutionary world indicates that the time is ripe to initiate a spiritual age, the Trinity Teacher Sons always volunteer for this service.  You are not familiar with this order of sonship because Urantia has never experienced a spiritual age, a millennium of cosmic enlightenment.  But the Teacher Sons even now visit your world for the purpose of formulating plans concerning their projected sojourn on your sphere.  They will be due to appear on Urantia after its inhabitants have gained comparative deliverance from the shackles of animalism and from the fetters of materialism.


Following on from what I was saying about a possibly Avonal bestowal, this I believe would also give rise to a new Spiritual Age of which the Trinity Teacher Sons will be present, and of which will last for 1000 years.

You see humanity has gone off track, as we understand from the UB, and it needs its evilness to be terminated completely on the spirit level - which Jesus did, and then on the physical level, which an Avonal can do. Then we are to be given 1000 years help with the Daynals so as to help us heal at least enough of our evilness to end the runaway train that we’ve become, and get us back on track, heading in the right direction towards healing ourselves completely of being evil, so humanity can continue on perfecting its soul after the 1000 years as it moves toward Light and Life.

So if what I believe is true, then the Teacher Sons will, so I imagine, focus mostly, if not only, their efforts on helping those people who want to fully heal themselves of their evilness. Because it will be then some of those people who are healing themselves or have fully healed themselves who will be:

On page 2082: Religion does need new leaders, spiritual men and women who will dare to depend solely on Jesus and his incomparable teachings. If Christianity persists in neglecting its spiritual mission while it continues to busy itself with social and material problems, the spiritual renaissance must await the coming of these new teachers of Jesus’ religion who will be exclusively devoted to the spiritual regeneration of men.

One can’t be exclusively devoted if one is still entrenched in ones self-denial wrapped up in ones controlling mind deluding oneself that one is one of the new so-called spiritual teachers. We need teachers to help lead us out of our wrongness, not further into it.

And as women are more naturally closer to their feelings and more feeling expressive because of how we men have been made to deny our feelings so much, then it will more than likely be women who become the future spiritual leaders helping us men become more in touch with our feelings so we can use them to uncover the truth of our evilness. The UB is almost exclusively masculine orientated which is such a shame because it fails in speaking directly to women and including the Feminine Aspect Of Truth, but it was how humanity was during its inception in the West - so male biased. And it had to adhere to the tenets of the day.


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Hi Zn,

I call "Paper 195 - After Pentecost" the "you are here" (did you ever see that famous poster that everyone had thumb-tacked on the wall in their room as kids who then morphed into the "hippie" generation?) Paper - especially in context of all the info presented in Papers 1 - 194.

So I must go along with this "prophecy", so to speak - "Section 10 - The Future."

Just wanted to clarify for whomever is playing "religion" with us on this discussion board the differences between your (Zn) paraphrasing/understanding/projections and what the author of Paper 195 wanted to share.


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These are some quotes of “section 10 - The Future” from Paper 195 I find interesting. I don’t quite understand what you’re saying I Must Speak in your first and last sentence, however I would like to comment on these quotes in the light of my highjacking this thread and where it might go.

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(2086.2) 195:10.16 The great hope of Urantia lies in the possibility of a new revelation of Jesus with a new and enlarged presentation of his saving message which would spiritually unite in loving service the numerous families of his present-day professed followers.

(2086.4) 195:10.18 Christianity is an extemporized religion, and therefore must it operate in low gear. High-gear spiritual performances must await the new revelation and the more general acceptance of the real religion of Jesus.

(2086.5) 195:10.19 If Christianity could only grasp more of Jesus’ teachings, it could do so much more in helping modern man to solve his new and increasingly complex problems.


The UB puts such emphasis on Christianity because it’s the religion that’s the most underpinned by Jesus’ Spirit of Truth. However do we really need a formalised religion to love and follow Jesus with?

Undoubtedly Christianity has a lot to offer within it, but those parts I feel will need to be extracted from it and put into a new, true, ‘alive’, real and living spiritual system that’s founded on what Jesus tells us and more. It will need to include what Jesus tells us in the Padgett Messages, along with what the Avonal will reveal, and including most of what’s in The Urantia Book. And then also all that’s true from every other religion and spiritual system.

My reading of what the UB says is that somehow Christianity might evolve into a higher gear, somehow throwing off all the negatives TUB talks about it, and this might happen, but personally I can’t see it. I think something new needs to be created based on taking the truth from all the elements I have talked about whilst still with Jesus being the main masculine focus as well the Avonal Son when he fully comes of age. And then there is the whole feminine side to be introduced and included, that which neither the Bible, the Padgett Messages or TUB, or anything else for that matter, speaks about. And this is where Divine Love Spirituality comes in and is heavily focused, bringing in a well-rounded balance between the masculine and feminine, with a lot of what is revealed being I would imagine rejected by the more strict adherents of the Bible, PM and UB.

The UB says: “The great hope of Urantia lies in the possibility of a new revelation of Jesus with a new and enlarged presentation of his saving message...” and this is what I see Divine Love Spirituality is offering.


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http://www.amazon.com/24x36-Classic-Gal ... B004YEVRHS

Here is the poster I was referring to because I see the realms of the spirit to be even grander in scale - even though the material is but a shadow of the spiritual. All that ( the galaxy ) is a shadow of the power that created it. You've got to admit that is mind-boggling 8)


So what IS the spirit realm that it exhibits such enormous truth beauty and goodness even in its shadow?

"playing at religion" refers to the oft repeated proclamation that the Urantia Book is NOT a "religion".

Understanding is not that easy, is it?

I also do not understand your cultural touchstones, I must admit. Never heard a peep about Padgett, completely new info for me, so thanks for sharing - "learn something new every day"....

Glad you enjoyed reading the pin stuck in the spiritual map - "You are here" that is Paper 195.


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I like the name you’ve chosen for yourself I Must Speak. And so: Why must you speak?

If you want to answer my question, no doubt a reason for you using these words will come into your mind: I chose I Must Speak because of... However I’m not interested in that. What I would like to know is why you REALLY chose it. I haven’t chosen it for my Internet name, but you have, so why?

And so why from your feelings. You might like to try this:

Take a moment and ask your Heavenly Father to help you understand why you’ve chosen to call yourself I Must Speak THROUGH YOUR FEELINGS.

Then write what you feel, trying to keep your mind out it. Try to remain connected to your feelings not giving yourself away to your mind and its wanting to take over and tell yourself why.

And understand that it’s really for yourself, not for me; it is really about you wanting to know the deeper truth within yourself as to why you’ve decided to be known as I Must Speak. And if you don’t want to post what your feelings reveal to you, I understand. And you will possibly discover there is far more to calling yourself these three words than you had any idea about. And if nothing happens immediately but you want to keep going with it, you can keep asking the Father to help you to understand the truth of yourself through your feelings.

And this is how we grow in truth. This is how we ascend, with and through our feelings, and not with and through our mind, which is only transcending. We are to look to our feelings for the truth of ourselves, keeping our mind out of it as much as possible. Can you FEEL the difference?


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