Time is used to measure the motion inside the space that "tags along" with matter that is under linear gravity control.


There is no "time" inside the space of the ultimaton.

Page 141, "....The entire science of mathematics, the whole domain of philosophy, the highest physics or chemistry, could not predict or know that the union of two gaseous hydrogen atoms with one gaseous oxygen atom would result in a new and qualitatively superadditive substance, liquid water. The understanding knowledge of this one physiochemical phenomena should have prevented the development of materialistic philosophy and mechanistic cosmology...."

Should have, but didn't.

So where are we going with this space is a spiral motion discussion....are snowflakes a manifestation of spiral space under linear gravity control or an auto-generated fractal formula derived outside of space, time, and gravity...the primal energy not under gravity control but still in space in the Now?

The creation of "Now" was something that happened in an instant, no?

The first instant created by Paradise - which is not a part of time and space but the origin, upholder and destiny of time, space, and gravity.

The ultimaton does not contain time and space if its motion responds to absolute gravity, I can agree with that. The ultimaton is the motion in an instant.

Circular simultaneity is the experience of "Now" which is all any of us own as "time"....

And we haven't gotten out of the linear rut by replacing it with a circular picture because that is mechanistic.

"In the zone" seems to be a common experience among creative types...spirit, mind and matter unified as motion in the Now.

@loucal, you might have synthesized certain aspects of the UB in your own mind and found that they fit nicely into theories you already hold dear, but you have not taken into account what UB has to say about "creation":

Page 120 - "It appears to us that the First Source and Center has concentrated all absolute potential for cosmic reality in Paradise as part of his technique of self-liberation from infinity limitations, as a means of making possible subinfinite, even time-space, creation. But it does not follow that Paradise is time-space limited just because the universe of universes discloses those qualities. Paradise exists without time and has no location in space."

That's where I get the idea that the ultimaton is without time-space until it mixes in with time-space through the motion of creation.

If someone tells me about a time when they were "in the zone", I accept that that is what they experienced. What purpose does invalidating personal experience data with theorums have in the scientific method?

Hi I Must speak,



I do not deny that I have my out of the box theories, but they were formulated with TUB as the axioms that found those theories.



Honestly, I do not understand that statement. Ultimatons are motion, they are creation. Ultimatons are time-apce creations.


11:9.5 Paradise is not ancestral to any being or living entity; it is not a creator. Personality and mind-spirit relationships are transmissible, but pattern is not. Patterns are never reflections; they are duplications—reproductions. Paradise is the absolute of patterns; Havona is an exhibit of these potentials in actuality.


42:6.3 Ultimatons function by mutual attraction, responding only to the circular Paradise-gravity pull. Without linear-gravity response they are thus held in the universal space drift. Ultimatons are capable of accelerating revolutionary velocity to the point of partial antigravity behavior, but they cannot, independent of force organizers or power directors, attain the critical escape velocity of deindividuation, return to the puissant-energy stage. In nature, ultimatons escape the status of physical existence only when participating in the terminal disruption of a cooled-off and dying sun.

42:6.4 The ultimatons, unknown on Urantia, slow down through many phases of physical activity before they attain the revolutionary-energy prerequisites to electronic organization. Ultimatons have three varieties of motion: mutual resistance to cosmic force, individual revolutions of antigravity potential, and the intraelectronic positions of the one hundred mutually interassociated ultimatons.

42:6.6 Ultimatons do not describe orbits or whirl about in circuits within the electrons, but they do spread or cluster in accordance with their axial revolutionary velocities, thus determining the differential electronic dimensions. This same ultimatonic velocity of axial revolution also determines the negative or positive reactions of the several types of electronic units. The entire segregation and grouping of electronic matter, together with the electric differentiation of negative and positive bodies of energy-matter, result from these various functions of the component ultimatonic interassociation.

42:7.10 The first twenty-seven atoms, those containing from one to twenty-seven orbital electrons, are more easy of comprehension than the rest. From twenty-eight upward we encounter more and more of the unpredictability of the supposed presence of the Unqualified Absolute. But some of this electronic unpredictability is due to differential ultimatonic axial revolutionary velocities and to the unexplained “huddling” proclivity of ultimatons. Other influences—physical, electrical, magnetic, and gravitational—also operate to produce variable electronic behavior. Atoms therefore are similar to persons as to predictability. Statisticians may announce laws governing a large number of either atoms or persons but not for a single individual atom or person.

Here I just point out that the ultimaton is a particle with axial revolutionary velocities. The ancestor to the Ultimaton is the puissant-energy stage. Electronic unpredictability is the hallmark of the confusion in QM as it concerns superposition. The spiral nature of motion allows for spin in three axes simultaneously. This affords infinite degrees of freedom! Nature is infinitely diverse because of this. We need no more than seven dimensions of time-space.



It was not my intent to invalidate anyone's personal experience, but "in the zone" is a non-specific figure of speech. It tells me little of the experience itself. These superficial colloquialisms are just that, superficial. This is a lazy cop out for what should be a sincere expression. I am unsure what "data with theorems have in the scientific method" means. Perhaps you could expand on this thought.

Regards, Louis

Everyone has their own "personal experience data", do they not? Can a theory presume to invalidate anyone's "personal experience data"? There is no scientific value in the invalidation of personal experience with math theories.

So a creation (Paradise) that exists "without time and has no location in space" is the generator of absolute gravity. You have to admit that is a "revelation" we humans would never figure out for ourselves - how could we?

Looks like Tigran and loucal have shared an "in the zone" instant.