Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:42 am +0000
What is your theory Ysmael?
Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:29 am +0000
Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:03 am +0000
Nope..boomshuka wrote:… creative acts are something else entirely from projections …
7:6.3 The Original and Eternal Son is the offspring-person of the “first” completed and infinite thought of the Universal Father. Every time the Universal Father and the Eternal Son jointly project a new, original, identical, unique, and absolute personal thought, that very instant this creative idea is perfectly and finally personalized in the being and personality of a new and original Creator Son. In spirit nature, divine wisdom, and co-ordinate creative power, these Creator Sons are potentially equal with God the Father and God the Son.
Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:22 am +0000
YSMAEL wrote:Bart has his "oscillation" theory, Gray has his "vortexes" theory and Luis has his "phi spiral" theory. Hey, guys, your theories make me feel dizzy.
Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:22 am +0000
Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:19 am +0000
Why not?boomshuka wrote:To project an idea or thought is part of the creative process in this case. But that doesn't mean these sons are literal projections in the way in which you are laying out. …
Yes, these Creator Sons are distinct subinfinite projections, like us lowly co-creative mortals are distinct finite projections in time and space. Apparently (all) such projections are accompanied by the experiential phenomena of individual bodies, minds and personalities.boomshuka wrote:… There is a seperation in beings which allows them to have true relationships with each other.
Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:22 pm +0000
Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:06 am +0000
What is projected is the so-called "living energy system" (112:0.2) personality and mind are bestowed upon such systems. In the case of mortal human creatures, the Thought Adjuster (the spirit fragment of the Father) is said to be a projected bestowal. (6:5.7)boomshuka wrote:If their individual body, mind and personality are experiental as you say what part of them is being projecteted? …
I didn’t say spirit is a projection. And where in TUB is it stated that "spirit substance reacts to the literal gravity of the gods?" It says: all spirit realities are responsive to the exclusive spirit gravity circuit of the Second Source and Center. (7:1.1) Obviously spiritual beings like Creator Sons will be responsive to spirit gravity.boomshuka wrote:… Spirit substance reacts to the literal gravity of the gods. If spirit was a projected wouldn't spirit gravity be irrelevant?
Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:50 am +0000
Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:00 pm +0000
Not exactly. "Life […] constitutes the animation of some pattern-configured or otherwise segregated system of energy — material, mindal, or spiritual." (36:6.6) TUB indicates that such segregated systems of energy are projected. Their subsequent animation comes from the Infinite Spirit (or a Creative Daughter of the Infinite Spirit). (36:3.4) In the case of mortal will creatures, TUB speaks of this "spark of life" as a "bestowal", whereas orders of life are "projected". (36:3.5)boomshuka wrote:So you are saying life that the spark of life animation is a projection?
36:3.4 The vital spark—the mystery of life—is bestowed through the Life Carriers, not by them. They do indeed supervise such transactions, they formulate the life plasm itself, but it is the Universe Mother Spirit who supplies the essential factor of the living plasm. From the Creative Daughter of the Infinite Spirit comes that energy spark which enlivens the body and presages the mind.
36:3.5 In the bestowal of life the Life Carriers transmit nothing of their personal natures, not even on those spheres where new orders of life are projected. At such times they simply initiate and transmit the spark of life, start the required revolutions of matter in accordance with the physical, chemical, and electrical specifications of the ordained plans and patterns. Life Carriers are living catalytic presences which agitate, organize, and vitalize the otherwise inert elements of the material order of existence.
36:6.6 We speak of life as “energy” and as “force,” but it is really neither. Force-energy is variously gravity responsive; life is not. Pattern is also nonresponsive to gravity, being a configuration of energies that have already fulfilled all gravity-responsive obligations. Life, as such, constitutes the animation of some pattern-configured or otherwise segregated system of energy — material, mindal, or spiritual.