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I got my book yesterday, with the DVD audio book.
I have two sons, one is 19, one is 23.
My 23 year old saw the DVD. He held it up and said, "Is something wrong Mom?"
"No, why"
"Why are you reading this"
"Because I want to know"
Then my 19 year old says, "Mom is reading a book that she (thinks) aliens wrote. Remeber when we believed in the tooth fairy and santa clause? well mom still thinks all that is true.
My 23 year old son said "leave her alone, if that makes her feel better then don't ruin it for her.
I don't know enought about the book yet to defend it, so all I said was."do you think that earth is the only thing going on in the entire universe".
My 19 year old said, "lets not get into this conversation. I told him that if he had not read it he coudln't comment on it. He told me he picked it up and read part of it and if I believe this stuff then, well, there is no use in talking about it. They think I am completley insane to believe this rubish.
I might as well tell them that little elfs are sitting at the kitchen table talking to me, they think it is that insane.
How in the world would I ever be able to introduce this book to them with their feelings.
As much as I believe, they do not believe with the same assurance.
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I get that all the time... "why are you reading that book"..... that is until they pick it up and dissapear into a quiet corner somewhere, then i get lots of never ending questions.... I do have to keep repeating over and over, "just 'cos i read it, doesn't mean i'm believing it all...".... :roll:

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Debbie,

You didn't say if your sons are familier with the Bible or have had any exposer to the life of Jesus. Assuming that they have had some I would try and introduce them to the UB reading "The Life and Teachings of Jesus."
My 2 sons have seemed more receptive to this part of the book.

The most important thing I would recommend is live what you learn in the UB. Make the effort to read it , interiorize it and then put it into practice in every aspect of your life. Bear good fruit. Kids learn by example. Pray for them and don't get discouraged because change dosn't always happen overnight.



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140:10.6 This new religion of Jesus was not without its practical implications, but whatever of practical political, social, or economic value there is to be found in his teaching is the natural outworking of this inner experience of the soul as it manifests the fruits of the spirit in the spontaneous daily ministry of genuine personal religious experience

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133:7.7 Ideas are not simply a record of sensations; ideas are sensations plus the reflective interpretations of the personal self; and the self is more than the sum of one's sensations. There begins to be something of an approach to unity in an evolving selfhood, and that unity is derived from the indwelling presence of a part of absolute unity which spiritually activates such a self-conscious animal-origin mind.


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I will give it to you straight. I have never taken my two boys to church. I was so turned off by my religion that I never introduced any religion to my boys. I tought them right and wrong, good and bad, and I did not feel the need for any church to do this for me. So in answer to your question, no they do not know anything about the bible. I always had an indepth belieif that if a person knew right from wrong, and had compassion for other people, then they really did not need a church. I did not know anything about the bible, so I am not about to introduce it to my children.
Even after discovering TUB, I have not changed my beliefs in any way.
But I am so at odds that my boys do not comprehend that there is a whole lot going on except earth. If they really would believe that, then could read the book. But I am having a "mentally ill" moment in my houshold. "MOM is going thur something, and they will just wait it out, allow her, her nuttisness, and then she will be back.


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I agree pretty much with Jeff. You can't share something that you don't have. Read the book, study, ask questions, and open your heart and mind to what will be revealed to you, personally. If the words ring true to your heart, then you will know you're on the right path. You will not feel the need to push it on anyone else, you will begin living that Truth, and it will naturally bear fruit.

You will be assured that what you have been given will also be given to your children...the Spirit will move where it will, in the way needed. All you can do is to be the conduit.

But first you will need to read the book. Just for yourself, without a running commentary to your boys.

I've read most all of your posts, Debbie...I suggest you begin with part four.

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My normal response to this scenario is as follows:

There is a principle in life which provides proof against all arguements and which will keep one in everlasting ignorance and that principle is condemnation prior to examination.
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Debbie...hang in there kid...such a common thread in our experience...I had a boyfriend back in the 70's and he was an agnostic. I tried to share and interest him in what I was reading and he would become really verbal. He was a reader too and read all kinds of thought but not this. Like the saying goes..."Contempt prior to investigation is insanity" :wink: That's why this site is soooo great for us readers to share our exhuberance and findings and questions...

I have stated here on other threads that I desperately wanted to share the book at my work place which is the worlds most powerful telescope...WM Keck...for years I've wanted to pull an astronomer aside and say Hey...look at this. Chick Montgomery's mural of The Master's Universe...Well I did it!!! He wasn't a astronomer but a IT guy and we were in this discussion about Star Trek...He's a trekkie. I showed him the picture and told him my brief story and desire and he said...Oh, they would think you're crazy! :roll: Isn't that funny...I was on a roll...I then mentioned the word Urantia to another fellow worker who studies eastern philosophy/tai chi kinda guy and directed him to Wikipedia, who has a good description. He briefly looked and said he was amazed. I asked at what...he said that it had got through his radar... :wink: I told him it was available at the local library...Ok 2 seeds sowed...on to the next :P

Just keep reading and enjoy your kids...Aloha O:)

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Debbie, new understandings always bring about ridicule and resistance, even resentment. This is especially true with our older kids. They used to think we were "all knowing". When they begin to see us as mere humans, it is a bit of a shock. At the same time, they are trying to establish their own identity, and what is reasonable to them. Going head to head just makes it all worse... ask me! :roll: I've managed to alienate everyone, even my wife of 32 years, with my exuberance. :( The curiosity approach may be best, especially with kids. For instance, if they are scientifically inclined, you will find some fascinating tidbits to drop that might inspire them to go get your book and discover it for themselves. Then there is the "forbidden fruit" approach, where you imply they will need to mature a bit before they will be able to grasp this book. There certainly is an element of truth to this! There are parts of this book that require multiple readings before one begins to grasp their message. No one gets more excited than when they discover something themselves. I like to use the analogy of the rose bud. It only open in its own time. If you try to force it to open, you destroy its chance at achieving its beauty potential. A little "watering" and the warmth of your love will ultimately work the magic.

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dkr315d wrote:
I got my book yesterday, with the DVD audio book.
I have two sons, one is 19, one is 23.
My 23 year old saw the DVD. He held it up and said, "Is something wrong Mom?"
"No, why"
"Why are you reading this"
"Because I want to know"
Then my 19 year old says, "Mom is reading a book that she (thinks) aliens wrote. Remeber when we believed in the tooth fairy and santa clause? well mom still thinks all that is true.
My 23 year old son said "leave her alone, if that makes her feel better then don't ruin it for her.
I don't know enought about the book yet to defend it, so all I said was."do you think that earth is the only thing going on in the entire universe".
My 19 year old said, "lets not get into this conversation. I told him that if he had not read it he coudln't comment on it. He told me he picked it up and read part of it and if I believe this stuff then, well, there is no use in talking about it. They think I am completley insane to believe this rubish.
I might as well tell them that little elfs are sitting at the kitchen table talking to me, they think it is that insane.
How in the world would I ever be able to introduce this book to them with their feelings.
As much as I believe, they do not believe with the same assurance.
Any ideas?


Debbie, If you're willing, ask them this:

"Before I can give you two a thoughtful answer about this book, I'd like to consider what you two think about a few things. Please answer these questions as honestly as you can. I'd like to frame my answer around how you each answer a couple of simple questions about life."

Ask them, "What's the most interesting thing to you in this life?" Or "What have you found to be the most interesting thing in this life?" and "What do you think is the most important thing to learn in this life?" Write down the questions on a piece of paper for each of them to answer, each with their name on their paper, so you know who's answers are whos'. Let's consider their answers. IMHO

Write down their answers. :smile:

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When I think all that it took for me to be ready for the Urantia book, I do not wonder why it's so hard for other younger people to accept such revelations.

When I had started my journey in the seventies all I would read would be scriptures and books dealing with esoteric stuff, and mind powers etc.(no papers or magazines)

Then I returned like the prodigal son to my mothers home, with some sisters, after having been a wanderer and totally independent free soul for exactly ten years.

The list of books on the subject of religion and philosophy prepared me somewhat for the Urantia book, but even now 30 years later I still feel like a spiritual toddler when I'm faced with that profound revelation, of which we can comprehend so little....we read it, yes, but does our earthly
brain absorb all it is trying to convey?


I was 28 when I found the Urantia Book (1978) now I'm 59, and 30 years later it still baffles me in its language and its content.

Can a restless teenager exposed only to idle chat, and obsessed with
trivialities give credit to a book that was written by beings that have been around for millions of years?

Add to that the ridicule that has grown over the years about anything that
is not basic and human.


I say, do not try to expose anyone to the book, because they will be led to it when they are mature enough to begin exploring it.

"you cannot put new wine into old bottles, because the bottles break and all the wine spills"


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Urano, welcome my brother. It's a joy to hear the wisdom and tone of your post. I hope to enjoy more of it in the days to come.

God's Blessings be with you. May all those "beings" bless and guide us in our journey to God.

Peace be with you Urano and all here. :smile:

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Aloha Urano and welcome here. I look forward to your posts and experiences...if you like to share that is...

That's an interesting question...Do we find the UB or is the UB given to us in our spiritual quest... I believe the later, course both could be true. In my 20's I was reading furiously everything I could get my hands on until that day right after I moved to Hawaii, staying with a lady I didn't know. I saw the book sitting on her coffee table. Alone, ready for sleep on the couch I opened the book...I still haven't stopped shaking after all these years...

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Aloha Urano and welcome here. I look forward to your posts and experiences...if you like to share that is...

That's an interesting question...Do we find the UB or is the UB given to us in our spiritual quest... I believe the later, course both could be true. In my 20's I was reading furiously everything I could get my hands on until that day right after I moved to Hawaii, staying with a lady I didn't know. I saw the book sitting on her coffee table. Alone, ready for sleep on the couch I opened the book...I still haven't stopped shaking after all these years...


Hi tootsie..glad to meet you and other kindred spirits here. (home finally)
My experience and attention to events based on cause and effect has led me to the strong conviction that all is "arranged" no doubt.

Of course not exactly overly-predestined, but according to our will.
We have that TA within that is aware of all our desires, and manifests them, wether for progression or regression.

If we hanker for simple entertainment, fitting in, base friendships, family acceptance, then that we'll get, but if crave for facts and refuse to settle for crumbs, when it comes to what exactly we are, then as effect always follows cause, we will get our wishes.


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Urano, welcome my brother. It's a joy to hear the wisdom and tone of your post. I hope to enjoy more of it in the days to come.

God's Blessings be with you. May all those "beings" bless and guide us in our journey to God.

Peace be with you Urano and all here. :smile:


Peace and wisdom to you as well brother.
I also wish all here to prosper in wisdom and all good things in life.
I feel good being here, and I know I was meant to find this place.


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