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Greetings everyone,

It's been a long time since I posted in the open forum, so forgive me if my internet vernacular is a little off and my points don't get presented completely coherently :smile:

We live in a wonderful age of scientific and societal achievement; with the advent of Facebook and Myspace the world is connected in ways I don't believe the original engineers of the world wide web foresaw. People from vast portions of the globe, with differing education, opinions, languages, and cultures socially network, build friendships, and maintain relationships. In addition to these social benefits, the internet has allowed for unrivaled expression of ideas and has provided the average layman with a platform on which to present issues and organize campaigns. Although many of us see the internet and it's content as a tool that we take for granted, in the future we may look back and see the internet as one of the crowning achievements of humanity, unparalleled since the discovery of electricity and the invention of the printing press. There is so much untapped potential within the internet platform; it is not surprising that others have recognized the possibility of what a well orchestrated campaign can do to change the world using nothing more than the internet. For example, the political Tea Party movement has masterfully used social networks to coordinate and assemble hundreds of thousands of people with like-minded goals to advance their agenda.
Websites like Craigslist, eBay, and Amazon have created the almost unfettered exchange of goods in an international market, while websites like Wikipedia have allowed knowledge to be shared universally (though not always with 100 percent accuracy). On the other side of the coin, misinformation can be spread so rapidly and completely that it becomes accepted as fact. I have observed that in our social, political, and religious landscape the media and the fringe of both sides control the dialogue and squeeze the life out of any new idea or movement that may come along and challenge the status quo. However, their power is limited by the availability of the open platform of the internet. But I digress.
The Urantia community has already harnessed some of the potential of the internet to give itself a platform, one of the examples being this site. Yet I, and I’m sure many others agree, that while these platforms are good for those who already know of the existence of the Urantia Book, there is more that should be done. I would go so far as to even say that more MUST be done. We live in a time of wars and rumors of wars, political instability even in our own government, cutthroat financial practices where greed is king and power is absolute, media distortion, religious intolerance, and ecological disaster. To put it simply, humanity as a whole is messing up big time. I do not proclaim myself the definitive judge of what humanity needs, but I do believe that the world needs the Urantia Book and the Religion of Jesus. While we cannot hope to assume that the Urantia Book will be the panacea for all our diverse issues and problems, I know that it could be a good start.

I am here proposing to you today that we, as a community, as a brotherhood, launch an Urantia Book Internet Awareness Campaign utilizing any and all web-related resources to create awareness and knowledge of the teachings and the content of the Urantia Book. As part of this proposal, I have made a list of ideas which I believe could help with the creation and maintenance of such a movement:

1) The creation of Facebook, Myspace, and Twitter pages as a sort of public face to the campaign, with various links and associated pages that will provide people with real and functional ways to access information about the Urantia Book.

2) An email campaign in which brochures, links, and general knowledge and goodwill are spread to hundreds, maybe even thousands or more individuals. The idea is to plant the seeds of truth and curiosity in the minds of many, who may adopt the Urantia Book as their own, and thus spur the growth of the movement

3) Letters and emails to congressmen, representatives, candidates, political movements, media outlets, major newspapers, and interfaith organizations expressing our goals. The purpose of this is to give us public legitimacy on a scale we haven’t known before.

4) Create a clear statement of goals that describes the purpose of the movement and it’s intended goals. We are to refrain from the creation of a universal creed of belief or religious code; the movement is for awareness and not for the purpose of conversion.

5) Bring the Urantia movement into the 21st century, which means more user-friendly webpages, high quality video, chatrooms, pod casts, etc. Many of these things have already been done, but compared to other media we are still falling short.

6) Potentially the most difficult proposal, we must have the backing of the various Urantia Foundations and Brotherhoods. By utilizing the information they have about the formation and location of study groups and spreading the campaign beyond the confines of this forum, we can reach more people and have a greater effect in terms of the number of people who will hear about the Campaign.

7) Spreading awareness through various forms of advertizing, including, but not limited to, Craigslist, local newspapers in your area, bilboards, and advertizing media similar in nature.

The Urantia Movement is hindered by the simple fact that it is not widely known. Knowledge of a thing is not the same as acceptance. I believe this campaign has the potential to make the Urantia Book public knowledge, even if many do not accept the book. Knowledge and understanding is the foundation for respect and tolerance.

We are a lucky generation. We are one of the few generations in history that, at their fingertips, hold the fate of human progress for the next century or millenia in our hands. The world is literally at our fingertips.

The template for this plan is practical, applicable, and has been proven to work. The capacity is here before us, and the potential is grand. The only ingredient necessary is our will.

Sincerely,

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.. The Urantia Movement is hindered by the simple fact that it is not widely known. Knowledge of a thing is not the same as acceptance. I believe this campaign has the potential to make the Urantia Book public knowledge, even if many do not accept the book. Knowledge and understanding is the foundation for respect and tolerance.

We are a lucky generation. We are one of the few generations in history that, at their fingertips, hold the fate of human progress for the next century or millenia in our hands. The world is literally at our fingertips.

The template for this plan is practical, applicable, and has been proven to work. The capacity is here before us, and the potential is grand. The only ingredient necessary is our will. ..
Greetings Chriss.

Being the Fifth Epochal Revelation, The Urantia Book will make itself known eventually.. And Truth lives within human consciousness. A book can only indicate (or describe or point to) absolute Truth (or God); the book itself is not the Truth. And most world religions (even Christianity) already suggest to their followers that Truth must be discerned within.

The Urantia Book claims to contain revealed knowledge of absolute Truth which cannot be obtained in any other way. But this is apparent mostly to those who already know the Truth. As such, The Urantia Book mainly confirms personal religious/spiritual experience; it doesn’t solve the fundamental Mystery of human existence.

So, I don’t quite see the point of a "Urantia Movement". There already exist some excellent religions and philosophies of life (e.g., modern Hinduism and Buddhism), which indicate the (inward) path to personal enlightenment and the discernment of Truth. The Urantia Book may verify the absolute validity of these traditions, but there is no need for a 'Urantia Movement' IMHO. And ultimately, it seems that the nature of the Mystery can be revealed only by Life itself..

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When we reach our limits, when our ordered worlds collapse, when we cannot enact our moral ideals, when we are disenchanted, we often enter into the awareness of Mystery. We are inescapably related to this Mystery which is immanent and transcendent, which issues invitations we must respond to, which is ambiguous about its intentions, and which is real and important beyond all else. Our dwelling within Mystery is both menacing and promising, a relationship of exceeding darkness and undeserved light. In this situation with this awareness we do a distinctively human thing. We gather together and tell stories of God to calm our terror and hold our hope on high.

(John Shea, Stories of God)


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Hey Bart, thanks for your response. The following reply is directed towards you but also to the community as a whole.

I gathered from your brief reply that you believe that the Fifth Epochal Revelation will pick up its own steam in due time. See, I also once shared this view (and to a large extent I still do). Most of the people I have talked to about bringing the Urantia Book out into the open seem to be those who support the slow-growth idea; personal one-on-one ministry with individuals who we love and the Father guides us to sharing. Most of the reluctance I have seen seems to stem from the catastrophic failure of Caligastia and Adam and Eve's default. Frankly people are worried that if we try to do too much too quickly, the Urantia community may suffer in the long term due to bad press, lack of understanding, and outright intolerance. Others have suggested that an even worse fate that would likely occur is that we would become viewed as "just another New Age group." So the slow-growth philosophy has dominated the mainstream conversation, and the "fast-growthers" have never had enough backing or will to advance very far with the idea. After all, one man shouting can be drowned out by a million men whispering.

You are right in what the Urantia Book claims to be. Many would testify that it is exactly what it says: an Epochal Revelation from on high given to us to advance the spiritual status of mankind. There were four other Revelations before this: Caligastia, Adam and Eve, Melchizedek, and Jesus of Nazareth. In all cases these previous Revelations added to human spiritual advancement, and here we are now presented with a Fifth Revelation of great significance. Yet this revelation is different than all others in the sense that for the first time in history the Revelation is not a person. A book can not make itself known except through a human being digesting it's contents; that is the very nature of a book. From the Urantia Papers we have learned to not ascribe mystical properties to physical objects; they are nothing more and nothing less than the physical structures that they are made of. Yet on physical paper the Urantia Book is absorbed and interpreted by our minds and confirmed by our spirit. The medium of spiritualization is very much a human medium. It cannot be known except through reading it.

While truth is freely available and obtainable within all of us through the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of Truth, fact itself is a physical property that must be obtained through a physical mechanism. The purpose of the proposed Urantia Book Internet Awareness Campaign is not to gain followers for the Urantia movement but to let the world know the fact of the Urantia Book. This whole thing would be orchestrated with the explicit intended purpose of bringing to a greater share of humanity the knowledge that this book does exist. What I am proposing is not an evangelical movement but rather a public knowledge movement. We would be giving to people the opportunity to choose. Choice is impossible without knowledge of an alternative. The goal is to give men and women worldwide the choice to reject its teachings, refute them, embrace them, question them, confirm them, whatever they desire. Even if all that comes from this idea is increased negative pressure on the Urantia community, at least they had a choice.

We are not taking away from people, we are adding to their knowledge. We would be empowering people to decide for themselves. And as you know, the teachings of the Urantia Book state that choice is the most sovereign prerogative that a creature of will capacity has. Even the Universal Father will not interfere with our right to decide for ourselves.

While many religions and philosophies exist today that attempt to explain the mystery of life, none of them have the authority to declare themselves the absolute truth (though many do). Not even the Urantia Book claims to be such a thing. Yet religionists and philosophers everywhere would be enriched by the Urantia Book's teachings and it's complex concepts of reality.

As stated earlier, the Fifth Epochal revelation is a book, given to men, for men, to be read by men. I have come to believe that the intent in all this was for people like you and I to become readers, and teachers through our own lives. Jesus and Melchizedek, Adam and Eve, took action. They were personalities that went out into the world and proclaimed the truth and did not sit idly waiting for men to seek them. As is the case of Jesus, once the truth was proclaimed, the natural reaction of humanity was to seek after that truth. Courageous decision were made and followed through with. I no longer believe that stagnation can be morally justified. There are nearly seven billion people alive on Urantia right now, and so very few even know that this wonderful book exists. Even if one-tenth of one percent of this world knew that it was out there and accessible to them if they so chose, I firmly believe great results would begin to show themselves. We are simply custodians of truth. It is our duty and responsibility--and our privilege--to do more than just safeguard our portion of truth. We must do as the Master asked in the Parable of the Talents and invest our truth into a more profitable return, as it were.

I hope to implement this plan into action within a relatively short time from now. Yet I have pondered on the wisdom of actually trying to set in place the cogs that would get the machine going. I now realize that for all my zeal and hope, I simply cannot do this alone. I do not have the resources-spiritually, economically, and technically. I also fear that success, if achievable, would burden me with the sin of pride. I would like to see a vast collaboration of Urantia Book students from all walks of life take up this challenge and work with me and others toward advancing the cause of spreading the knowledge of the existence of the Fifth Epochal Revelation. As I said earlier and stand by wholeheartedly: A million whispers can rise above the sound of one man shouting.

As always, questions, comments, and complaints are welcome. I would also like ask of everyone reading this to respond and see if they are on board with the idea, and I pray many here will give suggestions for improvements and a way to start implementing this program into action.

God's love to all,
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Hi Chris.

I’m much inclined to believe that The Urantia Book is a written revelation of truth. And the internet (already) contributes much to its world wide distribution in different languages. Nevertheless, it seems quite amazing that searching for the term "Urantia" on the internet only gives a few hundred thousand hits instead of millions. Perhaps this is more or less planned. According to a paper by W.S. Sadler, Jr., "For five hundred years from February 11, 1935, the overall welfare and direction of The Urantia Book is placed in the hands of the Seraphim of Progress." Moreover, "certain wise comments and advices" suggest that the general public may not be ready for it yet and that we must be patient. "Overrapid growth would be suicidal" ..
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THE TIMING OF THE URANTIA BOOK

In April 1955 William S. Sadler, Jr., prepared a paper, "Timing of The Urantia Book," for the files of the Executive Committee drawn from "certain wise comments and advices." It was known that these "wise sayings" were originally written communications addressed to the contact commissioners. We had heard them read in 1951 in their original form. Bill had adapted the language for "public" consumption, and he also read this paper to the Forum:

"We regard The Urantia Book as a feature of the progressive evolution of human society. It is not germane to the spectacular episodes of epochal revolution, even though it may apparently be timed to appear in the wake of one such revolution in human society. The Book belongs to the era immediately to follow the conclusion of the present ideological struggle. That will be the day when men will be willing to seek truth and righteousness. When the chaos of the present confusion has passed, it will be more readily possible to formulate the cosmos of a new and improved era of human relationships. And it is for this better order of affairs on earth that the Book has been made ready.

"But the publication of the Book has not been postponed to that (possibly) somewhat remote date. An early publication of the Book has been provided so that it may in hand for the training of leaders and teachers. Its presence is also required to engage the attention of persons of means who may be thus led to provide funds for translations into other languages.



"You must learn to possess your souls in patience. You are in association with a revelation of truth which is a part of the natural evolution of religion on this world. Overrapid growth would be suicidal. The book is being given to those who are ready for it long before the day of its world-wide mission. Thousands of study groups must be brought into existence and the book must be translated into many tongues. Thus will the book be in readiness when the battle for man's liberty is finally won and the world is once more made safe for the religion of Jesus and the freedom of mankind."

(from: http://urantia-uai.org/plan_for_revelation.htm#timing)
This is not to say that I don’t respect your efforts. But I indeed think (also based on my own experience with attempts to promote the Book) that the general public is not ready for it at all. And somehow I don’t get a nice warm feeling when I think of a Urantia Book Internet Awareness Campaign. Although I don’t think it would have direct disastrous effects, it may indeed do more harm than good. I agree that an internet campaign could get the attention of a lot of people, but 99.9% will not understand the Book and/or reject it as some strange publication which is irrelevant to their lives or even a threat to their own religious beliefs and institutions. A campaign may thus install a negative public opinion where currently no general public opinion exists. Which is better? And what can be the motto of such a campaign? The Truth is in there?

It can also be argued that if the revelators wanted the information in The Urantia Book to be more appealing to a large number of people in these days, they should have produced a much shorter, simplified version for the purpose of promoting the real thing (like e.g. the Bhagavad Gita in Hinduism) :)

BTW, for a few hundred dollars a month, it can be arranged that a link to The Urantia Book will appear on top of internet search engine results for keywords such as "truth" or "revelation", but apparently (as yet) no one bothered, not even the Urantia Foundation..

Anyway, good luck!


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Hi Chris.

BTW, for a few hundred dollars a month, it can be arranged that a link to The Urantia Book will appear on top of internet search engine results for keywords such as "truth" or "revelation", but apparently (as yet) no one bothered, not even the Urantia Foundation..

Anyway, good luck!


Meanwhile I am being savagely attacked at a Christian website for daring to mention that some Indian Yogis and Tibetan Lamas can produce miracles such as those performed by Jesus. It is possible to add a signature to my profile there, so I will include a link to truthbook.com


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.. Meanwhile I am being savagely attacked at a Christian website for daring to mention that some Indian Yogis and Tibetan Lamas can produce miracles such as those performed by Jesus. ..
Hi Mel. I would appreciate a link to that discussion. Thanks! ;)


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.. Meanwhile I am being savagely attacked at a Christian website for daring to mention that some Indian Yogis and Tibetan Lamas can produce miracles such as those performed by Jesus. ..
Hi Mel. I would appreciate a link to that discussion. Thanks! ;)

It is not possible to link directly to a discussion, but they can be viewed here:

http://www.meetchristians.com/new/tr_fr ... ms.php?r=0

Not surprisingly my alias there is Melchizedek. :D


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.. Meanwhile I am being savagely attacked at a Christian website for daring to mention that some Indian Yogis and Tibetan Lamas can produce miracles such as those performed by Jesus. ..
Hi Mel. I would appreciate a link to that discussion. Thanks! ;)

It is not possible to link directly to a discussion, but they can be viewed here:

http://www.meetchristians.com/new/tr_fr ... ms.php?r=0

Not surprisingly my alias there is Melchizedek. :D

Hi Julian,

I can’t find the particular discussion, but I browsed the Christian forum and although (of course) I see a lot of egotism, I also see humor, friendliness, intelligence and broadmindedness. As you know, there exists much diversity within the Christian community. Some Christians might even be susceptible to reason. :) However, as of yet, I think The Urantia Book will be unacceptable for the majority of Christians. But this might be a matter of time.. A world wide multi-faith dialogue is going on right now, which could unite 'different' religions. To illustrate this, here’s a (very long) excerpt of an online paper by Gerard Hall, a strong proponent of multi-faith dialogue. And I think that his overall ideas are compatible with The Urantia Book..
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Personal Immortality

Most religions and cultures until present times certainly understood death as a passage from this life to some other world. The "spirits of the ancestors" or the "saints in heaven" continue to live in another world while maintaining influence on this one. This was often explained in terms of the personal immortality of the soul: unlike the perished body, the soul or true self somehow survives the death-experience. Ancient Indian traditions often ascribed to belief in the soul's heavenly existence in fellowship with the gods, an existence which lasted forever. Older Greek teaching, based on the Platonic idea of the two spheres of spirit and matter, understood that the soul, unlike the body, is uncreated and indestructible. The destiny of the soul is eventual union or reunion with the Absolute. The modern Spiritualist movement refers to the "soul" as the "astral body" which separates from the body at death and progresses through a series of spheres to the ultimate sphere, union with God.

Another popular idea associated with life after death combines the understanding of the soul's immortality with the resurrection of the body. Although belief in this idea springs from the Jewish tradition, it was not universally accepted by all Jews. Even at the time of Jesus (2,000 years ago), there was a dispute between the Pharisees, who accepted bodily resurrection at the end of time, and the Sadducees who firmly rejected such a notion. On this occasion, the Scriptures report that Jesus sided with the Pharisees. Following the death-resurrection experience of Jesus, Christians came to believe that Jesus' body and soul were united in his "glorious ascension" into heaven, a belief with which many Muslims also concur. However, contemporary understandings of personal immortality among Jews, Christians and Muslims display an amazing variety of interpretations.

Christianity was heavily influenced by both Jewish belief and Greek philosophy. One popular conception understands that body and soul are separated at death. The disembodied soul is immediately judged and may go straight to heaven (life with God), to an interim place called purgatory (a Catholic vision of a place where souls are purged of imperfections and sins) or, indeed, to hell which is the destiny of the wicked. However, on the Last Day (the end of the world), body and soul will be reunited. The understanding of this resurrection of the body also varies. Some see this as the literal resurrection of the physical body; others understand it to be a new, spiritual body. Either way, there is expectation that God will raise the whole person to everlasting happiness in heaven where "we shall see God and live" (St Irenaeus, second century).

Although traditional Jewish, Christian and Islamic beliefs include these notions of heaven or paradise for the righteous (the elect or those who die in grace), and ideas of hell or gehenna for the damned (those who fail to repent or die in mortal sin), modern theologians have questioned whether the notion of a loving God is compatible with teachings of eternal punishment. Some theologians suggest that, in fact, God saves everyone. Others see hell as a metaphor for life on earth lived without hope or love. Some argue it is a state of non-being or nothingness which awaits those who freely and knowingly refuse God's offer of love and salvation. To say 'No' to 'God' and 'Goodness,' it is argued, is to say 'No' to 'Being.' This way, God respects human freedom without resorting to the role of a divine tyrant. Equally, modern theologians stress that we are unable to say very much about life-after-death, a mystery that awaits us all. The important thing is to love God and neighbour in this life. However, one way or another, these three monotheistic faiths are the strongest defenders of the notion that our human destiny is somehow best envisaged in terms of personal life with God beyond death, that is, personal immortality.

A Different Kind of Immortality

Westerners and Christians in particular will find the idea of non-personal existence in the afterlife somewhat of an enigma. This is not the absence of belief in immortality; it is the rejection of belief in personal immortality. Stated differently, it is belief in rebirth or reincarnation, a notion that is widely misunderstood in the west. Reincarnation or belief in the transmigration of souls is not, for example, a way in which the individual ego or human psyche continues in existence after the death of the body. Whereas western philosophy stresses individuality, eastern thinking seeks liberation from individuality. Hindu and Buddhist beliefs in what does survive beyond death are complex, subtle and varied.

One Hindu view is that the human soul (atman) is an eternal, unchanging reality which shares in the same nature as Brahman. Beyond the "wheel of appearance," this world of suffering, pain and ignorance, is the only one divine reality, Brahman. Ignorance of this reality leads humans to chain themselves to this illusory world of change. Consequently, upon death, the soul transmigrates from one body to another, a process which may take numerous births and rebirths. However, the ultimate goal of human life is to be released from the endless cycle of birth and death. The process assumes that one is liberated from individuality or separateness in the final death and re-birth through total union with Brahman. Here, nothing of the illusory self survives since there will be, in the end, only Brahman.

Buddhist teaching on reincarnation shares Hindu belief in karma: good actions lead to good births; bad actions lead to less fortunate rebirths. This law of karma governs the universe--and the universe, for Buddhists, includes many worlds apart from this one. So, while Buddhism rejects the notion of the survival beyond death of any ego, psyche, self or atman, it understands that human actions in this world continue to affect our life in this world as well as all other lives and worlds. Everything is interconnected. The goal of human life is the achievement of nirvana which is the complete negation of desire and individuality. Nirvana is nothingness, emptiness, the void. Nirvana, the enlightened way of life without desire, suffering or ignorance, is achievable in this world. When the enlightened person dies, this is the end to the wheel of rebirth and suffering. Beyond this, the Buddha taught only silence: we cannot understand nirvana, the state of perfect bliss, with the ordinary categories of human thought--and human ignorance.

Some kind of belief in reincarnation is as natural for many Eastern religious traditions as belief in personal immortality beyond death is for followers of the Monotheistic religions. Despite their differences, both kinds of "life beyond death" myths share a common belief in the divine destiny of human persons. They also assume that human destiny is related to the good or evil deeds that one performs in this life. There is a sense that the whole universe is interconnected and that one's life has purpose, meaning and destiny in light of this connectedness. To what extent these beliefs are understood literally or metaphorically is a matter of immense variation not only from one religious group to another, but also among theologians within the same tradition.

Who Am I?

[..] one's identity is largely determined by the network of relationships we all experience in different ways among ourselves, our intimate human contacts, society and its institutions, and the physical world. Moreover, each of these relationships is shrouded with varying degrees of mystery. Even with all the wisdom of the religions and the insights of science, human beings remain a mystery to themselves. Modern psychology affirms that our conscious knowledge and activity represent but small islands of knowledge within a sea of unconsciousness. The Swiss psychologist Carl Jung speaks of the "collective unconsciousness" through which the shared experiences of all persons, cultures and the entire cosmos are somehow stored in the personal unconsciousness of each individual. Who I am is certainly more than my own conscious thoughts and desires.

Who I am is less a state than a process, journey or adventure. To be human is to be an explorer, not just of the external world but also of the inner world. Again, Carl Jung perceives that human travels across the seas to other continents and across the skies to other galaxies are symbolic of the spiritual quest for personal identity. Scientific fiction stories, for example, may be written or filmed for entertainment, but underlying such stories is the classic search for human identity in an often hostile environment. Who am I? Why am I here? Where am I going? These are the existential questions that underlie human personhood and life adventure. Unsurprisingly, they are also the questions at the heart of the world's religious traditions.



(from: The Human Quest, Gerard Hall sm; http://dlibrary.acu.edu.au/staffhome/gehall/Human_Quest.htm)


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I can’t find the particular discussion,

My bad, I should have given you the title which is "Greater Things."
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Some Christians might even be susceptible to reason. :)

Unfortunately such members have either left the Theo forum on account of the rudeness, or have been banned by the administrator (as I was at one time) for criticizing him in a public form. Apart from this being in very bad taste, it is mentioned in the posting rules. There was a very good reason why some of us felt the need to criticize the administrator. Not only had he encouraged a personal and vicious gossip thread in which one member accused another of having a cyber affair with her husband, but moved it to Theo where more people would see it.

Right now, in personal emails, he is considering my suggestion of adding an Apologetics forum in which non-Christians can challenge Christians. That will be a major breakthrough if it occurs because the Christians will have to learn to be polite to non-Christians -- a totally new concept for most of them.
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However, as of yet, I think The Urantia Book will be unacceptable for the majority of Christians.
I have made mention of it and included a link in my signature, so who knows?


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However, as of yet, I think The Urantia Book will be unacceptable for the majority of Christians.
I have made mention of it and included a link in my signature, so who knows?
Hi Julian. You mentioned elsewhere on this board that you deleted your profile on the Christian forum. Are you sure you were not banned from the forum for promoting The Urantia Book? :) Anyway, it’s a shame that this ends your attempts to interest Christians in TUB. I think some serious intelligent multi-faith dialogue is necessary to free humanity from its mindal focus on specific religious dogmas and creeds, on the way to experiential (living) Truth. The internet seems to be the perfect medium for such a dialogue. And I think the revealed knowledge in TUB could much facilitate the discussion, and in my opinion it even suggests a universally acceptable and reasonable conclusion.. Seriously! :)

BTW, I don’t suppose it’s necessary to read all the book’s 2000+ pages to get a "key to The Urantia Book". When you (already) understand the basic message of the Bible as it is, as well as Eastern religious philosophies as they are, you can search the online version(s) of TUB for keywords (such as "oneness", "suffering", et cetera) and explore the relevant sections of TUB and hopefully see the unifying potential of TUB’s intricate concepts of God and His relation to us, human mortals..


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... I have waffled on a bit because it is bedtime. I may edit this post at a later time.

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Bart -- it is never a good idea to take any of The Urantia Book out of context. This is a book... it has a page 1 and a last page. It is intended by the revelators to be read in sequence and for the full book to be read in order to be understood... it's not a pick and choose, piecemeal compilation and I would never recommend to any reader that they shouldn't read all of it. If you want to understand the fifth epochal revelation of truth to the human race then it's the foreword through Paper 119 which must be read and contemplated. If you wish to understand the value and meaning of the fourth epochal revelation of truth to the human race you must read all of Part IV. If you wish to understand the Urantia revelation then you read the whole book where the meaning of the 4th ER is integrated with the 5th.

The danger of relying on the search engine to do your thinking for you is that any paragraph pulled out of context of its section or its paper can provide a wrong interpretation. Pull a paragraph out of Paper 131 -- The World's Religions, for example. Do you understand that what is written there is an analysis of the world's religions of 2,000 years ago and may not be applicable to a discussion of religion today? Among other things The Urantia Book is a historical document -- history ripped from its context can be misleading.

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Hello everyone,

I haven't been able to post on the open forum in the last few days because I have been quite busy. I just got home from San Francisco (beautiful town!). Before I get to the main content of my post, I'd just like go off on my own little tangent.

Philosophies of any kind are simply ways of thinking about reality. As far as I'm concerned every religion or philosophy has some gem of truth in it and have valid points to make. If they didn't, who would believe in them? On the same token, taking anything out of context is dangerous, especially when it comes to faith. Taking things out of context causes wars, arguments, and Republican majorities in Congress (hahaha, just kidding, that was probably in bad taste :lol: ). But on a serious note, the contents of the Urantia Book can not be correctly interpreted with only partial understanding; my grandparents always taught me that knowing a little of something or only hearing part of the story is equivalent to knowing nothing. Informed decisions can't be made without accurate information. Can you imagine the outrage that would be caused if TUB's comments about race were taken out of context? We'd probably be accused of Nazism. When I first began to read the Urantia Book, I read it piecemeal, and was completely confused until I read Part IV (which changed my life in ways I don't have the time to elaborate on, perhaps that could be another discussion for another day). The point is, TUB's flavor can only be truly appreciated after you consume it's contents; appetizers do not do it justice. As for anybody else being able to do the miracles Jesus performed while on earth...I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole.

I would guess that 99 percent of all devout Christians who would read the Urantia Book or hear about it would reject it...the same goes for the Qur'an, The Confucian dialects, the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of Mormon, Dianetics, A Course In Miracles, etc, unless they read the whole thing cover to cover and gave it an honest personal evaluation (the 1 percent). I've also tried to have discussions about the Urantia Book with fundamentalist Christians, and many reject it precisely because the things they know about the Book are taken out of context. That being said...

The Myspace page for the Urantia Book Internet Awareness Campaign is now up and running, although it is strikingly bare. I spent a few hours in a San Francisco hotel taking advantage of the free wi-fi to friend request as many people as I could, and so far that is my general strategy for the time being. I would like to add a few links, especially a Twitter link (once an account is made that is), Urantia Book related videos, websites, perhaps a few other bells and whistles, but a lot of work is still necessary. The Facebook page is kind of operational, but I'm Facebook challenged (another reason I say I can't do this alone, go figure). I'm trying to collect enough cash to use their advertising feature to give publicity to the book in a serious way, but alas, my bank account doesn't have enough zeros attached to the 1. Perhaps on my next paycheck. My goal in the short term (the next 1-6 months) is to try and get at least 1,000 friends on the Myspace page. Indeed a daunting task, but I have high hopes. If anybody would like to check out the status of the page it can be found at http://www.myspace.com/551702058.

If anybody has suggestions for improvement (because I know they are needed), feel free to tell me. Also, if you'd like to join I have no problem approving your friend requests. As always, questions, comments, and complaints are welcome. I appreciate your feedback

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~Chris


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Melchizedek wrote:
... I have waffled on a bit because it is bedtime. I may edit this post at a later time.
[It's been edited for you since the whole post exceeded the boundaries of good taste and permissibility. Have you read the posting guidelines? Please do so. Then please adhere to them.
Larry]

Very helpful. As my post has been deleted without mentioning which rules I have broken, I will most likely break them again.

I have no idea what I posted in this particular thread, because I am posting concurrently in multiple threads.


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Well Mel, maybe you should slow down a bit and think about what you're doing before you do it. Read the posting guidelines. Pay attention to what others post in reply to your notes. You're rolling around the decks like a loose canon for the most part and it's not our wish to chain you down to the deck, but ease up -- this isn't a race and you are expected to follow house rules.
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