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I hear you brother but those prescriptions that are given for depression have not all been around for a very long time, infact many of them are very new indeed, and how do we know that they do not have some long term effect equal to or worse then marijuana? I know you have a real beef with marijuana and any illegal drugs and I understand that I'm not a child, however watch what you say brother you can really offend someone by what you just posted...

Anyone can come to a conclusion on where brother Jess' character is questionable on their own but why call him out in front of everyone like that? What does that prove? or solve? You are a smart man from what I know about you brother but that last post was childish you could have deleted and explained why you deleted it, or even sent him a private message. I think it stems from your hatred of self gratifying drugs that stemmed that type of response, and It's ok to do that I just expect better from you.... And that's comming from a, as you called it pothead!

peace brother, I pray that I will be less offending to you in my future posts.

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Those with eyes can recognize that your judgment is already questionable.
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remember that that you yourself will also some day come to judgment before the bar of the Rulers of the universe. [1474:7]

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I could jump in here but only if it was in Abner's Corner. I'm fairly open-minded and have some experience on this topic, and some very definite opinions. But I have to agree with Larry on this one...this isn't the forum for it.

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this was not a topic of promoting any thing illegal but to answer a call for help from a forum brother who is suffering from depression. Sorry So Sorry I SUGGESTED WHAT IT DID. I came from deep in my heart. after all I'm 69 have learn and seen things. You'l never here from me sugestions in this area again. Nor sadly to say the true stories of me and my eternal partner.

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Dear J,
The real key, and I believe the one most often overlooked when it comes to understanding what really causes depression or bi-polarism, or whatever diagnosis they come up with, has to do with the overall imbalance of the spiritual, physical, intellectual and emotional state of the individual

There are references in the UB which addresses the pillars of a balanced life: If any of these are neglected or if one of these is paid lots of attention to, but the others are neglected, imbalance occurs - thus making it harder for the TA to assist its physical partner. The TA is wholly spiritual, but we are almost wholly physical, therefore, our physical state must be in balance in order for the spiritual guide to be most effective in our lives.


Physical balance: are you eating the right foods and getting enough excercise? How is your diet?

Intellectual: are you enlarging your mind with knowledge?
Emotional: Are you servng your fellow brothers and sisters. Forget thyself is a great way to not take yourself to seriously.
Spiritual: Allow the spirit to work through you - not for you - and express gratitude in this partnership. Humility and gratitude are the real keys to spiritual growth

Drugs may create the illusion that all is well, but if the underlying cause of one's mental illness is self-pity or nutritional, intellectual and emotional deficiency - then the TA will have a harder time guiding us with true spiritual insight they can offer.

It is the balance of the spiritual, physical and intellectual parts that will ensure the best possible life in human form.


I hope this is helpful to you my brother.


That is where I would start would be your diet. I myself am trying to eliminate red meat, as everything I've read the past few years tells me to avoid consuming too much red meat.

There are definite chemical relationships with the foods that you eat and how you feel. Diet and exercise cannot be emphasized enough.

My mom is on lithium for bi-polar and that does wonders for her and many bi-polar people. I can see taking something like that because it is just an element and there are really no bio-engineered components to lithium. It's just the powdered form of the metal found in the earth. Other drugs that manipulate the mind are another story. I do not have enough information to evaluate all other psycotic drugs.

Good luck in your journey, and may the peace that surpasses all understanding be with you when you make your decisions.

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I commend you Brother Dave in at least having the maturity to recognize how immature you are as a pot head -- that's more maturity than Jess exhibits when he says that marijuana doesn't prevent clear communication with one's soul. Brother Dave, maturity comes when you take control -- today is a better day for exhibiting that consecration of will than some nebulous future time, and Jess, I question what you consider to be clarity of thinking.


Thank you, Larry, for being the voice of reason here. Jesus is our mentor and we are asked to take our guidance from what he did during his short life. He would not take the anesthetic offered to him during his period of most horrific pain. He wanted his mind to remain unclouded.

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187:2.3 Crucifixion was resorted to in order to provide a cruel and lingering punishment, the victim sometimes not dying for several days. There was considerable sentiment against crucifixion in Jerusalem, and there existed a society of Jewish women who always sent a representative to crucifixions for the purpose of offering drugged wine to the victim in order to lessen his suffering. But when Jesus tasted this narcotized wine, as thirsty as he was, he refused to drink it. The Master chose to retain his human consciousness until the very end. He desired to meet death, even in this cruel and inhuman form, and conquer it by voluntary submission to the full human experience.


As an aside, we all require a chemically balanced brain. If one's biochemicals are unbalanced, one should find a way to balance them. There are many ways to do that, but this is not the venue to discuss such things.

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110.6.4 When the development of the intellectual nature proceeds faster than that of the spiritual, such a situation renders communication with the Thought Adjuster both difficult and dangerous. Likewise, overspiritual development tends to produce a fanatical and perverted interpretation of the spirit leadings of the divine indweller. Lack of spiritual capacity makes it very difficult to transmit to such a material intellect the spiritual truths resident in the higher superconsciousness. It is to the mind of perfect poise, housed in a body of clean habits, stabilized neural energies, and balanced chemical function — when the physical, mental, and spiritual powers are in triune harmony of development — that a maximum of light and truth can be imparted with a minimum of temporal danger or risk to the real welfare of such a being. By such a balanced growth does man ascend the circles of planetary progression one by one, from the seventh to the first.


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Thanks for bringing that point out Iris. As you mentioned, Jesus refused to dull his senses by imbibing gall even while he was experiencing excruciating pain. He wanted to have full possession of his faculties while facing the ultimate test.

We know that our Creator Son is our exemplar. He showed us how we can live a godly life as a human being. If we are to pursue truth, beauty and goodness because of being spirit led, we can hardly do that while high from some illicit drug.

And we should consider the ugliness that illicit drugs have brought to our society. Just think of all the drug lords throughout the world that have made millions and even billions as a result of their ruthlessness. They think nothing of murdering anyone that gets in their way. Think of all the street level dealers that will murder their rivals if these dealers perceive their rivals coming on their turf. Think of all the lives that have been ruined due to illegal drugs. Think of all the relationships that have been broken. Think of all the divorces, the neglected and abused children as a result of adults abusing illegal drugs. The modern day illegal drug usage has become a scourge on our world. It is nothing to be taken lightly. And how can we ever reach the opening stages of light and life if millions of persons are high and addicted to illegal drugs?

It may not be easy, but it is important that we rise above fleshly desires. The fifth epochal revelation is not here just for our reading pleasure. This revelation was provided for us so that we would make the effort to transform our lives. It is here so that we can make changes with the help of our indwelling Father fragment. If Jesus refused the easy way out while suffering terrible pain, then we should make the effort to face the world we live in. And we cannot face the world that we live in by succumbing to the escapism of taking illegal drugs.

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Hi Jim,

I am sorry for having gone off topic. You wondered if taking prescription drugs for depression was dangerous. I would say that no one should judge you whatever decision you make. We know that there are dozens of neurotransmitters in the brain. When these neurotransmitters are out of balance then depression can arise. Of course, we are just at the threshold of understanding the brain and how it effects us. The treatment of mental illness is an inexact science at best. A proper diet, good nutrition, restful sleep, positive attitude, etc. may contribute to a better mood. But when this had been tried and a depression still persists then some have opted to take prescription medications. Only you can decide what is best for you in your own situation. But certainly you will not be judged adversely by our Father regardless of what you decide.

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I have been working to hard to see how this posting was going and wow, it is interesting the directions a topic can go to if you don't check in every day... :) So let me say first just to easy any one imaginations, i am and love being a Drug and Alcohol/Substance Abuse Counselor, and Prevention Specialist...i study drug affects on the body and mind. Thus my concerns.

I have many time read a quote from the U.B. in the Adjuster Papers some where that give a clear spoken warning about taking care of our mental condition and how it affect our ability to be in tune with them, I have just made an attempt to find it and did not. Nevertheless, it is there and I will look harder tonight before i go to bed. Which is about the only time I have to read these days.

Also to say i have been ever since 6/3/85 (my sobriety date,) a Vegetarian and devoted to Mind Body And Spirit heal, but as i entered my 40's something happened and i became the victim of depression to a degree that it was more than any thing i have experienced, I have been told it is not that uncommon for men to get a form of depression due to chemical changes that happen as we age. i really hate writing that, still resisting that fact i am getting older.. :)

Anyhow, there are chemical changes in our bodies and that is not our fault, and it does pass as i have been told, but that does not change how devastating it is.. having to pass through this stage of life. It may take 3 to 5 years. I have been in it for a least 2 years now, but this last year has been a doozy. Of course, there are good days. But they are few and far between.

So to my question: I do believe drugs - legal or other-wise - are a risk-factor to our spiritual development. I was hoping someone had further insight on the issue. Thanks for all the feedback and the love it is nice to receive from time to time... :)

I will look for the paragraph.. I know it is in there somewhere. praise, this book is big...lol


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Hi! I've just read your post, regarding depression. Have you ever tried natural herbs? There is one called "St.John's Wort" that I recently had occasion to try. It's natural, it doesn't have any kind of effects that you, or anyone else would notice, except that it helps you "deal" with things. :smile: It doesn't produce any kind of "high", or anything like that, it just helps. You can purchase it over the counter, it's inexpensive, and certainly worth a try.
I remember reading something about keeping a "clear head", also ( my words, here...) but I don't remember where it's located, either! Seems like it was in the front of the book, where the wording is quite difficult to "get the jist of"! Best wishes, and may the Father bless your efforts! :biggrin:

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Hey Jb.
Just one of your brothers to you, I believe that you will find the answer.
I perceive that you are the kind of person that can overcome. You have love, you have charactor and the unquenchable fervor and desire to succeed.
All of us here are on your side.
Your Father is as well.
How can you lose?
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I just finished reading this from the beginning to the end. I wanted to write against the dangers of unintelligent and indiscriminate use of chemicals that are being promoted by the big businesses involving pharma coms and the medical fraternity.

Any way I fully agree with the views of Jim and Larry.

Some 30 years ago, during my twenties I came across the so-called modern medicine men in the modern hospitals making me scared to the core about my health and my life by doing all kinds of tests and prescribing all kinds of chemical pills when I happened to go to them for a small work related hypertension problem. Had I continued on their advice, I would have been crippled by now.

But then my TA advised me to think logically and rationally. I listened to that. I didn't know about TUB at that time. My TA reasoned with me to believe in the Great Designer who is behind the designs of my physical body and mind. Then I realized that fundamental truth- No human doctor or human researched medicine can ever find the secrets of our body and mind fully.

So the best thing is to have faith in God as far as these things are concerned. It helped me and I no longer depend on medicines for the problems of my physical body, though I may use a few sparingly at times. The important thing to note is that I take the help of modern medicine after due consideration of the pros and cons. God has given all of us that intelligence. We should not behave like blind men and follow and swallow any thing and everything the so called medicine men ask us to do.

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JB, you are going through male menopause! You will soon be able to empathize with millions of women who go through this hormonal change, many of whom complain loudly about hot flashes and emotional instability, and know that other men go through it, too, whether they want to admit it or not that they will no longer be the stud puppies they have deemed themselves to be. I know the depression of which you speak, now that you have elaborated. You have my empathy, but you will emerge a better man for it; I promise.

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gerdean you know i love you ..right :)

No man wants to hear those word in the same sentence, especially if it is in reference to themselves...lol

yes... life has it's funny little jokes and I do the best i can to laugh.

Research shows that it fades as you reach 50 yeas of age, I will be 48 in November, I'm hanging in there..lol

And i have not found the Paragraph that i am looking for...it is there, I just fell asleep last night before i looked for it.


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J. Barry,

I believe this is the passage you are looking for.


PAPER 110 - RELATION OF ADJUSTERS TO INDIVIDUAL MORTALS

1. INDWELLING THE MORTAL MIND

The Adjuster remains with you in all disaster and through every sickness which does not wholly destroy the mentality. But how unkind knowingly to defile or otherwise deliberately to pollute the physical body, which must serve as the earthly tabernacle of this marvelous gift from God. All physical poisons greatly retard the efforts of the Adjuster to exalt the material mind, while the mental poisons of fear, anger, envy, jealousy, suspicion, and intolerance likewise tremendously interfere with the spiritual progress of the evolving soul. p1204

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