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 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Getting over discouragement - destroyed faith in mankind

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:22 am +0000 

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More than anything I think it prudent to mention that all true goodness is unconscious. If you're worried about how good you are and thinking about ways to let your light shine, such thoughts are conscious and not unconscious emanations from the true vine. 140:8.26 Jesus always insisted that true go...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Experiential Wisdom

 Post subject: Re: Experiential Wisdom
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:23 pm +0000 

Replies: 192
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Here's how I think about the perfection of Creator Sons, or of other celestial beings: they are perfectly capable of doing the service they were created for, but no being but the Universal Father is perfect in all things. That's right. The Creator Sons are perfect personalities but they do not enco...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Experiential Wisdom

 Post subject: Re: Experiential Wisdom
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:25 am +0000 

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I did claim earlier that the Supreme and Paradise Sons are experiential beings. And, in fact, they are. In fact the Supreme is an experiential entity, but Paradise Sons are NOT. They are existential beings participating in experience as part of their service. Existential Thought Adjusters participa...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Getting over discouragement - destroyed faith in mankind

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:04 am +0000 

Replies: 13
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It took me a long time to recover from this abuse, and even to this day I have my back up when it comes to strangers. I became very cynical of people in a poor state, speculating that they probably don't make the effort to improve their situation and therefore deserve it. It made me question my fai...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Experiential Wisdom

 Post subject: Re: Experiential Wisdom
Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:13 am +0000 

Replies: 192
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Me here: If the Supreme is experiential, then so too are the Paradise Sons, including the Creator Sons. The term "existential" has to do with origins. The Paradise Creator Sons are existential in origin. They then go on to participate in the experience of descending by creating a universe...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Faith vs Intellect - fear of belief

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:48 am +0000 

Replies: 42
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Good reminder. I often get carried away with the minutiae of a mechanical nature and forget what inspired that shift within me in the first place (i.e. reading the Jesus papers). So hard knowing what to do when someone is caught up in a "sign seeking" mindset. It's also hard to put myself...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Faith vs Intellect - fear of belief

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:59 am +0000 

Replies: 42
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To give an example of the train of thought; he claims that although as finite beings we cannot reach the divine levels of reality, we should be able to at least have a firm (material/scientific) standing on the ground when it comes to having faith. He cannot see faith as a leap, which as he says wo...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Experiential Wisdom

 Post subject: Re: Experiential Wisdom
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:33 am +0000 

Replies: 192
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So, what of our moronitial experience and that of our celestial brethren? How is truth realized and wisdom acquired beyond the reach and ministry of the Adjutants I wonder? Do the celestials also enjoy the Spirit of Truth ministry and the Holy Spirit?? Of course they do. The morontia mind is descri...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: The doctrine of "original sin" & Christianity

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:24 am +0000 

Replies: 84
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I can't see where Stephen has said anything to suggest he wants to be a pompous Pharisee. What he did say is that he feels required to grow in faith by bringing forth the fruit of his faith in helping others. Shouldn't we all be doing that? I admire him for such positive thinking. You're right . I ...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: The doctrine of "original sin" & Christianity

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:30 am +0000 

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I don't think you understood Stephen's meaning by this secondary equivocation of his original proclamation. Stephen first said: "We are called upon to provide proof of our faith..." and then said: "I believe that there is a requirement of faith, certainly. By doing enough in my life ...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: The doctrine of "original sin" & Christianity

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:49 am +0000 

Replies: 84
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Muslims are adament about the fact of the consummated body of Muhammad, at the end of Muhammad's lifetime experience as a creature of the flesh on Urantia. Whether you accept that or not, Christians widely view that "the body of Jesus" was consumed, that is during the time in the tomb of ...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Experiential Wisdom

 Post subject: Re: Experiential Wisdom
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:32 am +0000 

Replies: 192
Views: 24672


So the life in the flesh has the Holy Spirit and Guardian Angels and TA guiding the mortal experience into and toward specific situations and circumstances and intersections of choice. It appears to be a personalized curriculum designed for the circle progress and spiritization of each mortal. I ag...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Experiential Wisdom

 Post subject: Re: Experiential Wisdom
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:52 am +0000 

Replies: 192
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Apology accepted...thank you. Just so you know, I have mostly enjoyed your posts related to human wisdom and appreciate the text support for your opinions on the matter - even if you don't think I "appear to follow"...so much innuendo with each post. Hahaha...oh well...perhaps humor shoul...

 Forum: Questions & Answers   Topic: Regarding Paper 71 "Development of the State"

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:09 pm +0000 

Replies: 47
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The arguments are very well presented and I read that it is going to require a shift in the minds of the people for them to become more selfless in the future to achieve the ideal and not the government itself making the arguments or worse imposing the ideal. This shift in the minds of the people i...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Experiential Wisdom

 Post subject: Re: Experiential Wisdom
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:20 pm +0000 

Replies: 192
Views: 24672


Your opinions of my understanding are irrelevant, unwelcome...and rude...in my opinion. :wink: You don't appear to understand what the topic is or anything I have said or posted on the topic. But perhaps others might. 8) Sorry. I didn't realize I was being rude. I've been hopeful that you would ent...
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