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       Paper 0, The Foreword to Part I
       Paper 1, The Universal Father
       Paper 2, The Nature of God
       Paper 3, The Attributes of God
       Paper 4, God's Relation to the Universe
       Paper 5, God's Relation to the Individual
       Paper 6, The Eternal Son
       Paper 7, Relation of the Eternal Son to the Universe
       Paper 8, The Infinite Spirit
       Paper 9, Relation of the Infinite Spirit to the Universe
       Paper 10, The Paradise Trinity
       Paper 11, The Eternal Isle of Paradise
       Paper 12, The Universe of Universes
       Paper 13, The Sacred Spheres of Paradise
       Paper 14, The Central and Divine Universe
       Paper 15, The Seven Superuniverses
       Paper 16, The Seven Master Spirits
       Paper 17, The Seven Supreme Spirit Groups
       Paper 18, The Supreme Trinity Personalities
       Paper 19, The Co-Ordinate Trinity-Origin Beings
       Paper 20, The Paradise Sons of God
       Paper 21, The Paradise Creator Sons
       Paper 22, The Trinitized Sons of God
       Paper 23, The Solitary Messengers
       Paper 24, Higher Personalities of the Infinite Spirit
       Paper 25, The Messenger Hosts of Space
       Paper 26, Ministering Spirits of the Central Universe
       Paper 27, Ministry of the Primary Supernaphim
       Paper 28, Ministering Spirits of the Superuniverses
       Paper 29, The Universe Power Directors
       Paper 30, Personalities of the Grand Universe
       Paper 31, The Corps of the Finality
       Paper 32, The Evolution of Local Universes
       Paper 33, Administration of the Local Universe
       Paper 34, The Local Universe Mother Spirit
       Paper 35, The Local Universe Sons of God
       Paper 36, The Life Carriers
       Paper 37, Personalities of the Local Universe
       Paper 38, Ministering Spirits of the Local Universe
       Paper 39, The Seraphic Hosts
       Paper 40, The Ascending Sons of God
       Paper 41, Physical Aspects of the Local Universe
       Paper 42, Energy—Mind and Matter
       Paper 43, The Constellations
       Paper 44, The Celestial Artisans
       Paper 45, The Local System Administration
       Paper 46, The Local System Headquarters
       Paper 47, The Seven Mansion Worlds
       Paper 48, The Morontia Life
       Paper 49, The Inhabited Worlds
       Paper 50, The Planetary Princes
       Paper 51, The Planetary Adams
       Paper 52, Planetary Mortal Epochs
       Paper 53, The Lucifer Rebellion
       Paper 54, Problems of the Lucifer Rebellion
       Paper 55, The Spheres of Light and Life
       Paper 56, Universal Unity
       Paper 57, The Origin of Urantia
       Paper 58, Life Establishment on Urantia
       Paper 59, The Marine-Life Era on Urantia
       Paper 60, Urantia During the Early Land-Life Era
       Paper 61, The Mammalian Era on Urantia
       Paper 62, The Dawn Races of Early Man
       Paper 63, The First Human Family
       Paper 64, The Evolutionary Races of Color
       Paper 65, The Overcontrol of Evolution
       Paper 66, The Planetary Prince of Urantia
       Paper 67, The Planetary Rebellion
       Paper 68, The Dawn of Civilization
       Paper 69, Primitive Human Institutions
       Paper 70, The Evolution of Human Government
       Paper 71, Development of the State
       Paper 72, Government on a Neighboring Planet
       Paper 73, The Garden of Eden
       Paper 74, Adam and Eve
       Paper 75, The Default of Adam and Eve
       Paper 76, The Second Garden
       Paper 77, The Midway Creatures
       Paper 78, The Violet Race After the Days of Adam
       Paper 79, Andite Expansion in the Orient
       Paper 80, Andite Expansion in the Occident
       Paper 81, Development of Modern Civilization
       Paper 82, The Evolution of Marriage
       Paper 83, The Marriage Institution
       Paper 84, Marriage and Family Life
       Paper 85, The Origins of Worship
       Paper 86, Early Evolution of Religion
       Paper 87, The Ghost Cults
       Paper 88, Fetishes, Charms, and Magic
       Paper 89, Sin, Sacrifice, and Atonement
       Paper 90, Shamanism—Medicine Men and Priests
       Paper 91, The Evolution of Prayer
       Paper 92, The Later Evolution of Religion
       Paper 93, Machiventa Melchizedek
       Paper 94, The Melchizedek Teachings in the Orient
       Paper 95, The Melchizedek Teachings in the Levant
       Paper 96, Yahweh, God of the Hebrews
       Paper 97, Evolution of the God Concept Among the Hebrews
       Paper 98, The Melchizedek Teachings in the Occident
       Paper 99, The Social Problems of Religion
       Paper 100, Religion in Human Experience
       Paper 101, The Real Nature of Religion
       Paper 102, The Foundations of Religious Faith
       Paper 103, The Reality of Religious Experience
       Paper 104, Growth of the Trinity Concept
       Paper 105, Deity and Reality
       Paper 106, Universe Levels of Reality
       Paper 107, Origin and Nature of Thought Adjusters
       Paper 108, Mission and Ministry of Thought Adjusters
       Paper 109, Relation of Adjusters to Universe Creatures
       Paper 110, Relation of Adjusters to Individual Mortals
       Paper 111, The Adjuster and the Soul
       Paper 112, Personality Survival
       Paper 113, Seraphic Guardians of Destiny
       Paper 114, Seraphic Planetary Government
       Paper 115, The Supreme Being
       Paper 116, The Almighty Supreme
       Paper 117, God the Supreme
       Paper 118, Supreme and Ultimate—Time and Space
       Paper 119, The Bestowals of Christ Michael
       Paper 120, The Bestowal of Michael on Urantia
       Paper 121, The Times of Michael's Bestowal
       Paper 122, Birth and Infancy of Jesus
       Paper 123, The Early Childhood of Jesus
       Paper 124, The Later Childhood of Jesus
       Paper 125, Jesus at Jerusalem
       Paper 126, The Two Crucial Years
       Paper 127, The Adolescent Years
       Paper 128, Jesus' Early Manhood
       Paper 129, The Later Adult Life of Jesus
       Paper 130, On the Way to Rome
       Paper 131, The World's Religions
       Paper 132, The Sojourn at Rome
       Paper 133, The Return From Rome
       Paper 134, The Transition Years
       Paper 135, John the Baptist
       Paper 136, Baptism and the Forty Days
       Paper 137, Tarrying Time in Galilee
       Paper 138, Training the Kingdom's Messengers
       Paper 139, The Twelve Apostles
       Paper 140, The Ordination of the Twelve
       Paper 141, Beginning the Public Work
       Paper 142, The Passover at Jerusalem
       Paper 143, Going Through Samaria
       Paper 144, At Gilboa and in the Decapolis
       Paper 145, Four Eventful Days at Capernaum
       Paper 146, First Preaching Tour of Galilee
       Paper 147, The Interlude Visit to Jerusalem
       Paper 148, Training Evangelists at Bethsaida
       Paper 149, The Second Preaching Tour
       Paper 150, The Third Preaching Tour
       Paper 151, Tarrying and Teaching by the Seaside
       Paper 152, Events Leading up to the Capernaum Crisis
       Paper 153, The Crisis At Capernaum
       Paper 154, Last Days at Capernaum
       Paper 155, Fleeing Through Northern Galilee
       Paper 156, The Sojourn at Tyre and Sidon
       Paper 157, At Caesare-Philippi
       Paper 158, The Mount of Transfiguration
       Paper 159, The Decapolis Tour
       Paper 160, Rodan of Alexandria
       Paper 161, Further Discussions with Rodan
       Paper 162, At the Feast of Tabernacles
       Paper 163, Ordination of the Seventy at Magadan
       Paper 164, At the Feast of Dedication
       Paper 165, The Perean Mission Begins
       Paper 166, Last Visit to Northern Perea
       Paper 167, The Visit to Philadelphia
       Paper 168, The Resurrection of Lazarus
       Paper 169, Last Teaching at Pella
       Paper 170, The Kingdom of Heaven
       Paper 171, On the Way to Jerusalem
       Paper 172, Going into Jerusalem
       Paper 173, Monday in Jerusalem
       Paper 174, Tuesday Morning in the Temple
       Paper 175, The Last Temple Discourse
       Paper 176, Tuesday Evening on Mount Olivet
       Paper 177, Wednesday, the Rest Day
       Paper 178, Last Day at the Camp
       Paper 179, The Last Supper
       Paper 180, The Farewell Discourse
       Paper 181, Final Admonitions and Warnings
       Paper 182, In Gethsemane
       Paper 183, The Betrayal and Arrest of Jesus
       Paper 184, Before the Sanhedrin Court
       Paper 185, The Trial Before Pilate
       Paper 186, Just Before the Crucifixion
       Paper 187, The Crucifixion
       Paper 188, The Time of the Tomb
       Paper 189, The Resurrection
       Paper 190, Morontia Appearances of Jesus
       Paper 191, Appearances to the Apostles and Other Leaders
       Paper 192, Appearances in Galilee
       Paper 193, Final Appearances and Ascension
       Paper 194, Bestowal of the Spirit of Truth
       Paper 195, After Pentecost
       Paper 196, The Faith of Jesus
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The Urantia Book: Paper 161. Further Discussions With Rodan

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Paper 161

FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH RODAN


161:0.1 ON SUNDAY, September 25, A.D. 29, the apostles and the evangelists assembled at Magadan. After a long conference that evening with his associates, Jesus surprised all by announcing that early the next day he and the twelve apostles would start for Jerusalem to attend the feast of tabernacles. He directed that the evangelists visit the believers in Galilee, and that the women’s corps return for a while to Bethsaida

161:0.2 When the hour came to leave for Jerusalem, Nathaniel and Thomas were still in the midst of their discussions with Rodan of Alexandria, and they secured the Master’s permission to remain at Magadan for a few days. And so, while Jesus and the ten were on their way to Jerusalem, Nathaniel and Thomas were engaged in earnest debate with Rodan. The week prior, in which Rodan had expounded his philosophy, Thomas and Nathaniel had alternated in presenting the gospel of the kingdom to the Greek philosopher. Rodan discovered that he had been well instructed in Jesus’ teachings by one of the former apostles of John the Baptist who had been his teacher at Alexandria.

1. THE PERSONALITY OF GOD

161:1.1 There was one matter on which Rodan and the two apostles did not see alike, and that was the personality of God. Rodan readily accepted all that was presented to him regarding the attributes of God, but he contended that the Father in heaven is not, cannot be, a person as man conceives personality. While the apostles found themselves in difficulty trying to prove that God is a person, Rodan found it still more difficult to prove he is not a person.

161:1.2 Rodan contended that the fact of personality consists in the coexistent fact of full and mutual communication between beings of equality, beings who are capable of sympathetic understanding. Said Rodan: “In order to be a person, God must have symbols of spirit communication which would enable him to become fully understood by those who make contact with him. But since God is infinite and eternal, the Creator of all other beings, it follows that, as regards beings of equality, God is alone in the universe. There are none equal to him; there are none with whom he can communicate as an equal. God indeed may be the source of all personality, but as such he is transcendent to personality, even as the Creator is above and beyond the creature.”

161:1.3 This contention greatly troubled Thomas and Nathaniel, and they had asked Jesus to come to their rescue, but the Master refused to enter into their discussions. He did say to Thomas: “It matters little what idea of the Father you may entertain as long as you are spiritually acquainted with the ideal of his infinite and eternal nature.”

161:1.4 Thomas contended that God does communicate with man, and therefore that the Father is a person, even within the definition of Rodan. This the Greek rejected on the ground that God does not reveal himself personally; that he is still a mystery. Then Nathaniel appealed to his own personal experience with God, and that Rodan allowed, affirming that he had recently had similar experiences, but these experiences, he contended, proved only the reality of God, not his personality.

161:1.5 By Monday night Thomas gave up. But by Tuesday night Nathaniel had won Rodan to believe in the personality of the Father, and he effected this change in the Greek’s views by the following steps of reasoning:

1. The Father in Paradise does enjoy equality of communication with at least two other beings who are fully equal to himself and wholly like himself—the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit. In view of the doctrine of the Trinity, the Greek was compelled to concede the personality possibility of the Universal Father. (It was the later consideration of these discussions which led to the enlarged conception of the Trinity in the minds of the twelve apostles. Of course, it was the general belief that Jesus was the Eternal Son.)

2. Since Jesus was equal with the Father, and since this Son had achieved the manifestation of personality to his earth children, such a phenomenon constituted proof of the fact, and demonstration of the possibility, of the possession of personality by all three of the Godheads and forever settled the question regarding the ability of God to communicate with man and the possibility of man’s communicating with God.

3. That Jesus was on terms of mutual association and perfect communication with man; that Jesus was the Son of God. That the relation of Son and Father presupposes equality of communication and mutuality of sympathetic understanding; that Jesus and the Father were one. That Jesus maintained at one and the same time understanding communication with both God and man, and that, since both God and man comprehended the meaning of the symbols of Jesus’ communication, both God and man possessed the attributes of personality in so far as the requirements of the ability of intercommunication were concerned. That the personality of Jesus demonstrated the personality of God, while it proved conclusively the presence of God in man. That two things which are related to the same thing are related to each other.

4. That personality represents man’s highest concept of human reality and divine values; that God also represents man’s highest concept of divine reality and infinite values; therefore, that God must be a divine and infinite personality, a personality in reality although infinitely and eternally transcending man’s concept and definition of personality, but nevertheless always and universally a personality.

5. That God must be a personality since he is the Creator of all personality and the destiny of all personality. Rodan had been tremendously influenced by the teaching of Jesus, “Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.”

161:1.11 When Rodan heard these arguments, he said: “I am convinced. I will confess God as a person if you will permit me to qualify my confession of such a belief by attaching to the meaning of personality a group of extended values, such as superhuman, transcendent, supreme, infinite, eternal, final, and universal. I am now convinced that, while God must be infinitely more than a personality, he cannot be anything less. I am satisfied to end the argument and to accept Jesus as the personal revelation of the Father and the satisfaction of all unsatisfied factors in logic, reason, and philosophy.”

2. THE DIVINE NATURE OF JESUS

161:2.1 Since Nathaniel and Thomas had so fully approved Rodan’s views of the gospel of the kingdom, there remained only one more point to consider, the teaching dealing with the divine nature of Jesus, a doctrine only so recently publicly announced. Nathaniel and Thomas jointly presented their views of the divine nature of the Master, and the following narrative is a condensed, rearranged, and restated presentation of their teaching:

161:2.2 1. Jesus has admitted his divinity, and we believe him. Many remarkable things have happened in connection with his ministry which we can understand only by believing that he is the Son of God as well as the Son of Man.

161:2.3 2. His life association with us exemplifies the ideal of human friendship; only a divine being could possibly be such a human friend. He is the most truly unselfish person we have ever known. He is the friend even of sinners; he dares to love his enemies. He is very loyal to us. While he does not hesitate to reprove us, it is plain to all that he truly loves us. The better you know him, the more you will love him. You will be charmed by his unswerving devotion. Through all these years of our failure to comprehend his mission, he has been a faithful friend. While he makes no use of flattery, he does treat us all with equal kindness; he is invariably tender and compassionate. He has shared his life and everything else with us. We are a happy community; we share all things in common. We do not believe that a mere human could live such a blameless life under such trying circumstances.

161:2.4 3. We think Jesus is divine because he never does wrong; he makes no mistakes. His wisdom is extraordinary; his piety superb. He lives day by day in perfect accord with the Father’s will. He never repents of misdeeds because he transgresses none of the Father’s laws. He prays for us and with us, but he never asks us to pray for him. We believe that he is consistently sinless. We do not think that one who is only human ever professed to live such a life. He claims to live a perfect life, and we acknowledge that he does. Our piety springs from repentance, but his piety springs from righteousness. He even professes to forgive sins and does heal diseases. No mere man would sanely profess to forgive sin; that is a divine prerogative. And he has seemed to be thus perfect in his righteousness from the times of our first contact with him. We grow in grace and in the knowledge of the truth, but our Master exhibits maturity of righteousness to start with. All men, good and evil, recognize these elements of goodness in Jesus. And yet never is his piety obtrusive or ostentatious. He is both meek and fearless. He seems to approve of our belief in his divinity. He is either what he professes to be, or else he is the greatest hypocrite and fraud the world has ever known. We are persuaded that he is just what he claims to be.

161:2.5 4. The uniqueness of his character and the perfection of his emotional control convince us that he is a combination of humanity and divinity. He unfailingly responds to the spectacle of human need; suffering never fails to appeal to him. His compassion is moved alike by physical suffering, mental anguish, or spiritual sorrow. He is quick to recognize and generous to acknowledge the presence of faith or any other grace in his fellow men. He is so just and fair and at the same time so merciful and considerate. He grieves over the spiritual obstinacy of the people and rejoices when they consent to see the light of truth.

161:2.6 5. He seems to know the thoughts of men’s minds and to understand the longings of their hearts. And he is always sympathetic with our troubled spirits. He seems to possess all our human emotions, but they are magnificently glorified. He strongly loves goodness and equally hates sin. He possesses a superhuman consciousness of the presence of Deity. He prays like a man but performs like a God. He seems to foreknow things; he even now dares to speak about his death, some mystic reference to his future glorification. While he is kind, he is also brave and courageous. He never falters in doing his duty.

161:2.7 6. We are constantly impressed by the phenomenon of his superhuman knowledge. Hardly does a day pass but something transpires to disclose that the Master knows what is going on away from his immediate presence. He also seems to know about the thoughts of his associates. He undoubtedly has communion with celestial personalities; he unquestionably lives on a spiritual plane far above the rest of us. Everything seems to be open to his unique understanding. He asks us questions to draw us out, not to gain information.

161:2.8 7. Recently the Master does not hesitate to assert his superhumanity. From the day of our ordination as apostles right on down to recent times, he has never denied that he came from the Father above. He speaks with the authority of a divine teacher. The Master does not hesitate to refute the religious teachings of today and to declare the new gospel with positive authority. He is assertive, positive, and authoritative. Even John the Baptist, when he heard Jesus speak, declared that he was the Son of God. He seems to be so sufficient within himself. He craves not the support of the multitude; he is indifferent to the opinions of men. He is brave and yet so free from pride.

161:2.9 8. He constantly talks about God as an ever-present associate in all that he does. He goes about doing good, for God seems to be in him. He makes the most astounding assertions about himself and his mission on earth, statements which would be absurd if he were not divine. He once declared, “Before Abraham was, I am.” He has definitely claimed divinity; he professes to be in partnership with God. He well-nigh exhausts the possibilities of language in the reiteration of his claims of intimate association with the heavenly Father. He even dares to assert that he and the Father are one. He says that anyone who has seen him has seen the Father. And he says and does all these tremendous things with such childlike naturalness. He alludes to his association with the Father in the same manner that he refers to his association with us. He seems to be so sure about God and speaks of these relations in such a matter-of-fact way. *

161:2.10 9. In his prayer life he appears to communicate directly with his Father. We have heard few of his prayers, but these few would indicate that he talks with God, as it were, face to face. He seems to know the future as well as the past. He simply could not be all of this and do all of these extraordinary things unless he were something more than human. We know he is human, we are sure of that, but we are almost equally sure that he is also divine. We believe that he is divine. We are convinced that he is the Son of Man and the Son of God.

161:2.11 When Nathaniel and Thomas had concluded their conferences with Rodan, they hurried on toward Jerusalem to join their fellow apostles, arriving on Friday of that week. This had been a great experience in the lives of all three of these believers, and the other apostles learned much from the recounting of these experiences by Nathaniel and Thomas.

161:2.12 Rodan made his way back to Alexandria, where he long taught his philosophy in the school of Meganta. He became a mighty man in the later affairs of the kingdom of heaven; he was a faithful believer to the end of his earth days, yielding up his life in Greece with others when the persecutions were at their height.

3. JESUS’ HUMAN AND DIVINE MINDS

161:3.1 Consciousness of divinity was a gradual growth in the mind of Jesus up to the occasion of his baptism. After he became fully self-conscious of his divine nature, prehuman existence, and universe prerogatives, he seems to have possessed the power of variously limiting his human consciousness of his divinity. It appears to us that from his baptism until the crucifixion it was entirely optional with Jesus whether to depend only on the human mind or to utilize the knowledge of both the human and the divine minds. At times he appeared to avail himself of only that information which was resident in the human intellect. On other occasions he appeared to act with such fullness of knowledge and wisdom as could be afforded only by the utilization of the superhuman content of his divine consciousness.

161:3.2 We can understand his unique performances only by accepting the theory that he could, at will, self-limit his divinity consciousness. We are fully cognizant that he frequently withheld from his associates his foreknowledge of events, and that he was aware of the nature of their thinking and planning. We understand that he did not wish his followers to know too fully that he was able to discern their thoughts and to penetrate their plans. He did not desire too far to transcend the concept of the human as it was held in the minds of his apostles and disciples.

161:3.3 We are utterly at a loss to differentiate between his practice of self-limiting his divine consciousness and his technique of concealing his preknowledge and thought discernment from his human associates. We are convinced that he used both of these techniques, but we are not always able, in a given instance, to specify which method he may have employed. We frequently observed him acting with only the human content of consciousness; then would we behold him in conference with the directors of the celestial hosts of the universe and discern the undoubted functioning of the divine mind. And then on almost numberless occasions did we witness the working of this combined personality of man and God as it was activated by the apparent perfect union of the human and the divine minds. This is the limit of our knowledge of such phenomena; we really do not actually know the full truth about this mystery.

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