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 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Michael of Bible and Michael of Nebadon: Are they the Same?

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:29 pm +0000 

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You cannot regard Micha EL of the Bible as exactly the same as Creator Son Michael, because you must account for the experencial differentials between viceregent Creator Son and Master Creator Son which is the experiencial attainment of such individual throughout the past few millenia.

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Objective Evidence

 Post subject: Re: Objective Evidence
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:16 pm +0000 

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I think Jim George provides an excellent metaphor by explaining how he must tailor actionable informations to individuals within his organisation. Thank you. It explains the subjectivization of the Urantia Papers very well. But there is enough information within the Urantia Papers for the human indi...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Objective Evidence

 Post subject: Re: Objective Evidence
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:47 pm +0000 

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I understand what you are saying Riktare about "if you have faith it is real", but in fact Jesus said to Judas Iscariot "we are all of one flesh." So that if you could imagine that Jesus had gained authority as the Master Son (atop Mount Tabor), you can imagine also a metaphysica...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Objective Evidence

 Post subject: Re: Objective Evidence
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:55 pm +0000 

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We have to accept the first fact on faith, or assumption? Urantia Book 42:11.1 (the universe) it is a creation of mind and a mechanism of law. https://labofevolution.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/cayces-motto-mind-is-the-builder/ Aside from my earlier warning about the danger of materialism, I now critic...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Objective Evidence

 Post subject: Re: Objective Evidence
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:33 pm +0000 

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Ok, before you suggest what the form of instrumentation might be, can you tell us what the scope of objective facts may be, how it exists as "mota". What are the parameters by which the morontial human individual establishes and/or conveys objective facts?

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Objective Evidence

 Post subject: Re: Objective Evidence
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:43 am +0000 

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Good clarification from you MidiChlorian thanks, and a strong pronouncement from Jim George. I think you (Midi) may be too reliant on technological instrumentation to procure facts that may be to your liking. Akin with "mota", morontia reality, and the reality of the individual human persp...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Objective Evidence

 Post subject: Re: Objective Evidence
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:19 pm +0000 

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Dear MidiChlorian I am not sure what you mean exactly by objective. But if 'objective' suggests that the Urantia Papers are untainted and untrammeled by human emotion and skepticism, it cannot be said to be entirely objective. The The Reversion Directors (the Urantia Book; 48:4.3 "prophetic joy...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Spirit of Truth

 Post subject: Re: Spirit of Truth
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:11 pm +0000 

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Thanks fanoVan for the technical clarification that Mighty Messenger are mortal ascendent creatures rather than strictly Material Sons and Daughters.

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Spirit of Truth

 Post subject: Re: Spirit of Truth
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:58 pm +0000 

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I have a question for you Jim George. You mention the closeness you feel towards two particular orders of beings who write the Urantia Papers Mighty Messenger and Melchizedeks. I can understand that the Melchizedeks are very proximal and many who have even had experiences knowing and cooperating wit...

 Forum: Questions & Answers   Topic: Let Us make man in Our image

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:53 pm +0000 

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"Us" could refer to the collaborative efforts of the Life-Carrier Comission, with the most-highs of edentia and Lucifer Lanonandek supervisory oversight from Satania. "our Image" could refer to the original pattern Adam & Eve. It is said that Moses wrote the book of Genesis a...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: The Comparisons are Remarkable

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:22 pm +0000 

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Before you carry on too far in this topic, I just want to say that the Urantia Papers came during a time that would prepare humanity for the great growing pains we are now experiencing as one people. But its teachings are obscure, but helping to ensure mankind's survival. It is Michael Creator Son's...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: The Comparisons are Remarkable

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:33 am +0000 

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You are right because "suddenly" events that may spark a conflict are as the precipitation that follows condensation. "Suddenly" events are transitional moments and certainly alter the potentiality factors of history (indellibly), but scholars will always analyse the condensing f...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Did James and Jude have Down Syndrome?

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:15 am +0000 

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Yes, you are right in the sense that the Alpheus Twins had accepted the promise of Nathaniel, even before accepting the teachings of Jesus. What do you make of it?

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: The Comparisons are Remarkable

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:58 am +0000 

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https://img0.etsystatic.com/172/1/10572925/il_340x270.1096061902_q7ez.jpg I think you are correct about the war prospect. With the modern war, there is less of a test of "survival of the fittest", but the chemistry of weaponry/ballistics implies that people may die indiscriminately. This ...

 Forum: General Urantia Book Discussion   Topic: Did James and Jude have Down Syndrome?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:42 am +0000 

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No. The simple-mindedness of the Alpheus Twins Apostles was that they accepted Jesus' word without the need to probe. They carried forth instructions, and received happiness for their part and began their journey to heaven. The fact that they did not wrestle with the psychodynamic or philosophical i...
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