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Loving Universe or Mechanistic Physical Laws?

In “War of the Worldviews: Science vs. Spirituality,” Deepak Chopra and Leonard Mlodinow consider life’s big questions.

For Mlodinow, the infinite universe is governed by strict laws of nature that we are discovering.

Chopra says the universe has its source in a loving God or infinite consciousness.

A professor at the California Institute of Technology, Mlodinow has written on subjects ranging from randomness to hyperspace, including two books co-authored with Stephen Hawking. He’s also done scripts for “Star Trek: The Next Generation” and designed award-winning high-tech games.

An Indian medical doctor, Chopra runs a healing center in Carlsbad, California, focusing on the mind-body connection and has written more than 60 books that have been translated into 85 languages.

We spoke at Deepak HomeBase, a physical and virtual salon Chopra just opened in New York.

Lundborg: Deepak, in positing a conscious, benevolent universe, how do you know that you’re not engaging in magical thinking?

Chopra: I have a brain inside my skull that only senses things like pH and electrolytes and body temperature and has no exposure to the external world, yet it gives me the experience of color and sound and touch -- that’s magical.

So all my thinking is magical.

Yesterday’s Magic

Lundborg: Science confronts the magical differently?

Mlodinow: Today’s technology was magic yesterday. What science will be able to create in hundreds of years would appear magical to us, just like our technology would appear magical to those in the past.

Lundborg: You have totally different world views: Science says the universe is going to end in equilibrium, cold and dark, while spirituality says the universe is evolving into greater complexity. So which is it?

Chopra: There is an omnipresence and omnipotence and omniscience to the cosmos, and it is very ordered, intelligent, and creative.

We are actually an activity of the universe and the universe is becoming self-conscious through the human nervous system.

Lundborg: Leonard, you disagree?

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This is just the beginning of a lengthy back-and-forth between Deepak Chpra and Leonard Mlodinow on the subject of science and religion.

Please go HERE to read the entire exchange...

From The Urantia Book:

1:6.7 To assume that the universe can be known, that it is intelligible, is to assume that the universe is mind made and personality managed. Man’s mind can only perceive the mind phenomena of other minds, be they human or superhuman. If man’s personality can experience the universe, there is a divine mind and an actual personality somewhere concealed in that universe.

42:11.2 Mechanisms do not absolutely dominate the total creation; the universe of universes in toto is mind planned, mind made, and mind administered. But the divine mechanism of the universe of universes is altogether too perfect for the scientific methods of the finite mind of man to discern even a trace of the dominance of the infinite mind. For this creating, controlling, and upholding mind is neither material mind nor creature mind; it is spirit-mind functioning on and from creator levels of divine reality.

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